German Shepherd Dog > LOOKING FOR FEMALE LIGHT GREY SABLE WORKING PUPPY (30 replies)
LOOKING FOR FEMALE LIGHT GREY SABLE WORKING PUPPY
by nypiper127 on 26 July 2012 - 02:27
|I am THINKING of possibly getting a working line puppy for two reasons. 1) To compete (learn) Schutzhund and 2) To possibly start a breeding program in a couple of years (retirement). I have always had West German longcoats (normal) and currently have a 1/2 SL and 1/2 Czech 5yr old male. I originally was hoping to get a year old female (So I would have good idea on looks / drives) but in order to get permission from wife (ha) I had to agree to get a puppy. I tried to explain to wife that this will not be like other puppies and might be "high maintenance" but that is the deal.|
Having said that...I want to find a dog with "almost show line conformation" Here is a working line dog that blows me away : http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=466041
If I could find the female version with a plush light grey sable...I would be floored! I do not want lectures on how looks aren't important...they are to me and its all PERSONAL preference. I do not like bi-colors and am not crazy about a lot of penciling / tar heels. Again...PERSONAL preference. I like big boned..big heads with slight angulation. Obviously health and temperment are #1 (hips / elbows DM tests in sire / dam) but I also would like the look I just described. I am not in a rush...if it happens great...if not...I can wait.
If anyone here knows of reputable breeders with these dogs please let me know. Also, I would appreciate any advice on selecting a good WL puppy. Obviously, finding an experienced Schutzhund breeder I can trust to match a puppy with me is best...but that might be hard to find (lack of contacts). I would prefer to buy AMERICAN but not opposed to importing if trust is there. I would also like to see puppies, sire / dam / kennel in person...but again with right vouches I might buy without seeing in person. When selecting my SL puppies. I always went for the middle - higher puppies of the litter, avoiding the alpha because I wanted just an active "pet". Do I now want the alpha? I do want high drive...but I do not want INSANE drive and I do not have the experience in differentiating between the two. Can prey, ball drive really be tested at 8 weeks? Do I want the most vocal...or does that have nothing to do with it? I can recognize confidence in a puppy...are there good indicators of focus?
Any and all advice would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks in advance!
by Chaz Reinhold on 26 July 2012 - 02:31
|I heard light grey ones are awesome. The best to breed with.|
by hexe on 26 July 2012 - 03:14
|Dude, does your wife understand just how much of a crapshoot puppies are, and if said pup doesn't work out for your intentions, you'll have to get yet ANOTHER dog...and if she insists THAT one be a puppy, too, she could find herself up to her shoulders in housedogs in a couple of years?|
If you're really serious about your plan, I think you should hold fast to your minimum age of 12 months-- an age which, really, IS still a puppy, since GSDs don't fully mature until they're at least 2 yrs old....
by nypiper127 on 26 July 2012 - 03:22
|Happy wife...happy life. She also has never really experienced high drives! I know what I am doing here...married 28 yrs! HA Now back to the dogs...|
by duke1965 on 26 July 2012 - 06:05
|would you mean a dog coloured like this one http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=586914 |
by Knighthawkranch on 26 July 2012 - 10:52
I am in the same boat with a spouse who has never experienced a working dog.
by Koach on 26 July 2012 - 12:49
I like big boned..big heads with slight angulation.
by joanro on 26 July 2012 - 13:03
|"almost show line conformation" and "slight angulation" ....?|
by nypiper127 on 26 July 2012 - 13:19
|Again...Please read the part about personal preference! Last time I checked I wasn't living with Stephanitz. If you are looking for Working Line vs Show line arguements please start another thread. If you have constructive information and advice I am all ears.|
by nypiper127 on 26 July 2012 - 13:24
That is a very nice looking female! Yes probably that color or even lighter. Thanks for pic.
by minro on 26 July 2012 - 13:41
by duke1965 on 26 July 2012 - 13:50
|you got pm nypiper|
by duke1965 on 26 July 2012 - 13:54
|some people have preference for colour, other ones for dog from ringsportlines, other ones want pup from WUSV sieger and today Caro is hot, can you explain the difference to me, no garanties with whatever preference you choose|
by laura271 on 26 July 2012 - 14:21
|@duke1965 - Very lovely dog that you posted the link to. Is she yours?|
Here are two slightly lame questions-
1. Is a light grey sable also termed a silver sable?
2. Given how much (and dramatically) a sable puppy changes colour as he/she ages- how do you know if the puppy you bought will end up as a light grey sable adult? I'm thinking of this past thread or even my own dark sable male. I took a picture of Bosco every week and posted it on Flickr so that friends and family could watch him grow and change colour. It's so much fun to look back now and see his development.
by Ramage on 26 July 2012 - 14:39
|I sent you a PM. Probably not much help, but figured I'd send anyhow|
by duke1965 on 26 July 2012 - 14:49
|laura, she is not mine , but was bred to one of my males, it is a very nice female with very good drives for sport, and the pups are very good, I have pick male and female from this breeding|
by joanro on 26 July 2012 - 15:09
|Not looking for any argument, is just how do you get "show line conf" and " slight angulation" in the same dog? Preferences are what makes the world go round, but that isn't clear. Would you want a pup that is a grand daughter of that dog you used as an example? Those should be obtainable.|
by nypiper127 on 26 July 2012 - 15:46
|Joanro The dog I posted in original post has slight angulation and "Almost showline conformation" to me. I would be interested in lineage from "Mambo" and have received a few PMs from people with links to kennels with those dogs. It seems everyone and their brother is breeding towards "dark sables" (or maybe it is just me). One breeder in Germany sent me a PM also saying she loved light grey sables but had to "sacrifice color preferences of the light grey" because they had trouble placing light grey sables in homes and now breeds for dark sables. Again...personal preference for me and I am not in a rush so I can wait.|
Laura, good questions too. That is also one of the reasons I wanted a year old dog instead of a puppy...better chance of knowing what sable will look like. One breeder sent me a pic of his "silver sable" that is awesome...never really knew they existed and do not know much about them....but was a vey nice looking dog. I can forward the pic with his permission if you like.
I am still looking for any advice on selecting perfect temperment (in a litter) for Schutzhund if possible?
Thank you to all those who have PM me breeders...very helpful.
by laura271 on 26 July 2012 - 16:05
|The CKC breed standard for GSDs (just the one I'm familiar with since I'm in Ontario) says that:|
"The German Shepherd Dog differs widely in colour. Generally speaking, strong, rich colours are to be preferred, with definite pigmentation, and without appearance of a washed-out colour."
Would a light grey colour be considered a fault and that's why dark sables appear to be more common?
(I'm not being disrespectful to anyone- I'm just trying to learn more about the GSD standard.)
by GSDPACK on 26 July 2012 - 16:11
|Laura, lighter sable is NOT faulty if the pigment is good. So called silver sables are!|
To me this is plain UGLY, can't help it. (I grabbed the picture from the internet, dont know whose dog this is)
The picture Duke posted is a nice pigment, just a lighter color.