Just Curious, Where the ASL people at - Page 11

Pedigree Database

Premium classified

This is a placeholder text
Group text

Premium classified

This is a placeholder text
Group text

Premium classified

This is a placeholder text
Group text

Premium classified

This is a placeholder text
Group text

by Bavarian Wagon on 24 January 2017 - 14:01

Just wondering "how many months back do we need to look?" I've looked through the covers, and maybe I'm confused on lines but I don't think any of the world team dogs were ASL, don't believe any of the Siegers and Siegerins were ASL, Moolah is a Malinois (I'm assuming not ASL), then there's a child with a puppy wearing a lot of German things so I'm going to assume that's a photo from Germany and probably not an ASL (puppy is also deeply black/red), Eros (Iron von den Wolfen) is more than likely not ASL, and I can just keep going...so I'm really interested to know where this information is coming from, or if it's made up information, that also needs to be pointed out. Unless this site is all about making things up and as long as they sound good we let them stay since no one will question it.

Maybe you're confused with the GSDCA magazine? The one where seeing anything but an ASL dog on the cover would be the surprise?

 

The idea that ASL people get run out of clubs because of their dogs is just because the people themselves need to find a reason other than themselves of why it happened. Sure, the dog will 99% of the time lack drive or nerve and yes, and in a club where demand for work is high, those dogs will be asked to stop no matter what line they are and make room for other dogs. In general, the club atmosphere in the United States is not very accommodating to titling because they meet once or twice a week and most people and dogs need a lot more time and work than that to actually title. Time and work that the majority of club people, or people just getting involved in the sport, are not willing to put in or have the ability to put in. Many pay their club fee and expect the other members to hold their hand through titling their dog and that just won’t happen, then they get angry and run off. TDs and helpers are expected to exert time and energy when handlers don’t do anything at home…then they run to forums and cry about their experience (without having the spine to tell people the actual club it happened at…can’t risk being rebutted about their “cry for me” story).


vonissk

by vonissk on 27 January 2017 - 04:01

An image

Not the best pic but the 2 blk/tan dogs on the right are the littermates I am talking about.


by vk4gsd on 27 January 2017 - 06:01

Big deal, does a line need special mention for doing what literally thousands of nameless faceless working dogs do every second of every day all over the world.

This is an example how its the show line people that create the biases.

by Bavarian Wagon on 27 January 2017 - 14:01

Oh ok my fault...didn't realize "a few months ago" meant sometime before July 2012 as that's the earliest magazine in the website archive and the cover you posted is no where to be seen there.

I appreciate the complete lack of truthful information on your part just to prove some point though.

Two thumbs up.

Definitely makes me want to believe stories from people like you about Schutzhund clubs even more.

vonissk

by vonissk on 28 January 2017 - 16:01

Good Morning Barvarian Wagon--Hubby and I have a small grooming shop, our own dogs and we also rescue when we can--I said that to say time gets away from me!!! So a few months was a little longer!!!!! Oh well, I always say better late than never.
Thank you, I try to be honest and be able to prove links or pics for what I say. I don't make a habit of putting others down; I just lay things out as I see them. We all have opinions. Mine come from 30 years in this breed and not from books and you tube. (and forums)
One thing I would like to comment on. Good comment you made about people not willing to put the time in to actually title a dog and they want someone to hold their hand through the process. This is where a mentor comes in. I had a friend once who is deep into SAR (and well known)--she and I would get together and train and I feel I learned more doing that than I ever did at the club. And at the club I belonged to most people just came for the bitework--never showed up to lay tracks or for OB--once they did the bitework they'd leave. Don't get me wrong I love the bitework too. But the IPO is a 3 part sport and you can't just train one part and expect to title a dog. I have never titled a sport dog (only OB and UKC conformation) because honestly I didn't have the motivation and drive to do so.. I got into it because I thought it was going to be easy. I had no clue. But rather than hanging around whining, when I knew I was in over my head, I just went on to things I was happy and comfortable with.
Thank you for the thumbs up. It is appreciated. I am just what and who I portray myself to be.

vk4gsd you have me confused. If I had a dog of ANY lines that was on the cover of any dog magazine I would be proud and happy too. These are not my dogs but the breeder is a very good friend of mine. I have a lot of respect for her because of what she has done. These are not your everyday ski sloped ASL dogs. This was not your everyday CH-CH breeding. The sire of these dogs is out of frozen semen from a dog born in 1984--the person that owns the sire also owned his sire-tested him in ScH, CH'd him, OB titles OFA E--his littermate is featured in Fred Lanting's GSD book doing tracking-1984 sire was the first AKC CH of any breed to title in AKC herding. Old lines before they became so ski sloped and there was a lot of German blood still in the American dogs. The lady that owned these dogs is also a very good friend of mine. Talking to her is like opening an encyclopedia on the breed. Now to do a little bragging, how is that being biased? I don't really consider it bragging to stand up for the good ASL dogs that I know personally, This is exactly what I was talking about in my original post--putting down the ASL dogs because of their breeding when they haven't a clue.
JMO but this goes into something that's wrong with not just the dog world but our country in general. Division--I don't like this because. I don't like you because. United we stand, divided we fall. With all that is going on with the AR people, etc. we need to find a common ground to stand together or we will ALL lose in the end.
My personal preference out of all the lines is the Czech dogs. We are in the process of rescuing one now. She is having to be rehomed because she was bought to breed. She was xrayed and found to have mild HD,, so all of a sudden the people made up a lot of excuses why they wanted to rehome her. I am taking her and have a home in the works for her. She is a beautiful, sweet,, drivey girl. Too bad her breeder was money hungry also or she would never have been sold to those people.
I need to get on with my day. We rescued a Shih Tzu last spring and today is his day for a bath and haircut. Then the Czech girl is coming later. The longer I sit on here, the shorter my day becomes.
Everyone have a good day. Nice chatting. Thumbs up to you also BW-thanks for the nice comments.

by vk4gsd on 28 January 2017 - 23:01

Vonn what I meant by bias is working dog people appreciate whatever works even if thru past experience they are skeptical. A dog is just a dog with strengths and weaknesses.

Its always the show crowd that scream loudest and fill the internet with still pics of their dog doing something/anything.

look this is a show line and see it has a working title nah-nah. look at the picture of my show line gaiting next to sheep nah-nah. Wowee my show line got a BH nah-nah. My show line scared the hell out of the maintenance guy who came to unblock my sink nah-nah. The SAR guy said my show line didn't completely suck nah-nah. The guy at the seminar I paid $400 to attend was impressed with my show line nah-nah.

That is the bias and you demonstrated it yet again.

Let us just appreciate a dog for being a dog and drop the "not bad for a show line" tag. Try it you might be surprised.


Hundmutter

by Hundmutter on 29 January 2017 - 06:01

"Its always the show crowd that scream loudest and fill the internet with still pictures of their dog doing something/anything."

So why is it that Mithuna keeps posting that I am somehow lacking because I do not put pics of my dog on here ? (BTW Mith, what is the avatar one by my username ^, scotch mist ?).

mrdarcy (admin)

by mrdarcy on 29 January 2017 - 10:01

"NOT BAD FOR A SHOWLINE" tag came about because based on this site alone the workingline folk always put them down. You are right VK we ALL should appreciate a dog for being a dog but that's never going to happen here with the majority of posters.

Baerenfangs Erbe

by Baerenfangs Erbe on 29 January 2017 - 17:01

I have actually met Jackies dogs. I've seen them at their best and I've also seen them at their not so best. Her dogs are just as much of a German Shepherd Dog than a working line is. One of her dogs could easily be a Service Dog. That dog had such a high threshold, such a good temperament and a very strong nerve that I was very impressed with him.

She's seen my dogs at their best and at their not so greatest. She watched a young dog shut down. It was a first for me. Never seen that in that particular dog before but it was enough for me to make a choice to wash that dog out from my breeding program and I frickin loved that female.

Her dogs are good dogs for the very specific purpose she needs them for.

There is nothing wrong to say "He's a good dog for a Showline" there is also nothing wrong with "He is a good looking dog for a working line"

Showline people and Working line people have a different definition of what a good dog is. It's two different worlds.

What I love about Jackie is that she is honest about her dogs. She will not hide anything. She will tell you exactly what she likes and doesn't like about her own dogs. She can actually look at her dogs and be critical. How many people will tell you their dogs faults? How many breeders will tell you they had a puppies in their litters with congenital defects or that their OFA results came back with the remarks of a transitional vertabrae? How many will tell you their dogs weaknesses? Or admit that an entire litter they produced was simply gargabe? Or even tossed out an entire bloodline to start from scratch?

There are so many breeders out there that are not honest, so many handlers that would never tell you their dogs weakness. Who cares if you breed Show or Working lines. Who cares if the dog is high drive or can be a personal protection dog or whatever. Not everyone can handle or wants to handle a high drive dog, not everyone wants an extreme over the top dog.

In both varieties, what should be more important than anything is Temperament and Nerve Strength. That should be on the very top of the list. However, we all know that most Showlines and Working line breeders alike have different priorities than that!


by duke1965 on 29 January 2017 - 18:01

not bad for a showline, seen some really strong dogs already from this breeder

https://youtu.be/0NKWK1PjlqU







 


Contact information  Disclaimer  Privacy Statement  Copyright Information  Terms of Service  Cookie policy  ↑ Back to top