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Hypertrophic Osteodystrophy (HOD) by Cavalier K9 on 15 May 2012 - 02:22 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
My puppy has been diagnosed with HOD today......My vet put her on Metecam and Tramadol for anti inflammatory and pain relief. Has anyone ever heard of this or had any experience?
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Cavalier K9| US | Metric | |
| Crude Protein (Min.) | 28.0% | 280 g/kg |
| Crude Fat (Min.) | 18.0% | 180 g/kg |
| Crude Fiber (Max.) | 5.0% | 50 g/kg |
| Moisture (Max.) | 10.0% | 100 g/kg |
| Omega - 6 Fatty Acids (Min.) | 3.0% | 30 g/kg |
| *Omega - 3 Fatty Acids (Min.) | .2% | 2 g/kg |
| Glucosamine (Min.) | 550 ppm | 550 mg/kg |
| *Chondroitin (Min.) | 150 ppm | 150 mg/kg |
| *Ascorbic Acid (Vitamin C) (Min.) | 80 mg/kg | 80 mg/kg |
| *Lactobacillus Acidophilus (Min.) | 50 million CFU/lb | 50 million CFU/lb |
| *Enterococcus Faecium (Min.) | 35 million CFU/lb | 35 million CFU/lb |
| *Saccharomyces Cerevisiae (Min.) | 900 million cells/lb | 900 million cells/lb |
*Not recognized as an essential nutrient by the AAFCO Dog Food Nutrient Profiles.
Ingredients
Chicken, chicken meal, peas, pea starch, pea flour, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols and citric acid), natural flavors, salmon meal (a source of fish oil), tomato pomace, dried egg product, potassium chloride, sunflower oil, brewers yeast, salt, minerals (zinc proteinate, iron proteinate, copper proteinate, manganese proteinate, cobalt proteinate, selenium yeast), yeast culture (saccharomyces cerevisiae, enterococcus faecium, lactobacillus acidophilus, aspergillus niger, bacillus subtillis), taurine, vitamins (vitamin A acetate, vitamin D3 supplement, vitamin E supplement, niacin, d-calcium pantothenate, thiamine mononitrate, pyridoxine hydrochloride, riboflavin supplement, folic acid, biotin, vitamin B12 supplement), glucosamine hydrochloride, ascorbic acid (vitamin C), choline chloride, chondroitin sulfate, yucca schidigera extract, calcium iodate, rosemary extract.
NutriSource® Grain Free Chicken dog food is formulated to meet the nutritional levels established by the Association of American Feed Control Officials (AAFCO) Dog Food Nutrient Profiles for all life stages.
by aceofspades on 15 May 2012 - 02:37 |
| That is pretty high protein. But I know there is a connection between protein and other things in the food. How old is your pup and how much does she weigh and what has her growth rate been. Ie: what was she at 8 weeks, 12 weeks, 16 weeks and so on. There are others here who can explain how dog foods work but my understanding is that even all life stages foods are often not suitable for GSDs and are certainly not all created equal. |
aceofspades by Cavalier K9 on 15 May 2012 - 03:03 |
| She is only 13wks old now and 23.1# 8wks she was 12.5# and 12 wks she was 20.5# What food should I feed her? I was thinking the Large Breed Adult which is 23% the LB Puppy is 26%........ TOTW Puppy food is 28% protein as well.... |
by k9queen on 15 May 2012 - 03:14 |
| I would go with the lowest protein food you can get. Also, there is a chinese herbal from The Xie Institute for HOD and other growth diseases. The other thing my vet has used successfully is an antibiotic that seems to help called chloramphenicol. Did she receive a vaccine at 12 wks old? What brand? |
by SitasMom on 15 May 2012 - 03:21 |
Gravy Train is the lowest protein dog food I could find...... |
by B.Andersen on 15 May 2012 - 03:21 |
| Too much protein lean her down slow her growth. Use adult food on her the 23 % in much better. |
by Cavalier K9 on 15 May 2012 - 03:31 |
| Ok great thank you I will use the Adult food. Yes she received Dap and Lepto Both from Merial and I believe are modified Live vaccines. k9queen do you have any more information on the chinese herb? |
by k9queen on 15 May 2012 - 10:10 |
| Dr Xie's Jing Tang Herbal Formula: Yi Zhi Ren http://www.tcvmherbal.com/store/viewFormula.asp?fid=10 |
by Smiley on 15 May 2012 - 12:14 |
| There has been ZERO scientific proof that too much protein causes any bone issues. People have been feeding raw and grain free for years...not to mention the diet of wild wolf pups. The biggest factor tends to be the amount of food fed...are you feeding free choice? Sara |
Smiley by Cavalier K9 on 15 May 2012 - 12:59 |
| No I am not free feeding. I am feeding her 1c three times a day. I am going to take her to a different vet today for a second opinion. The Metecam is not keeping the fever down. I gave it to her at 9pm last night (here fever was 104.0) at 11pm it did go down to 102.8 and by 6am it was back up to 103.9 :-( It can't be good for her to continue having this fever. The pain meds are helping with the pain but she is still really lethargic. |
by Jenni78 on 15 May 2012 - 13:11 |
| DON'T just use adult food without checking CALCIUM!!! How much calcium is in the food you're feeding? Protein gets all the attention, but if you do some research on calcium, it's usually the cluprit, and it just goes hand in hand with higher protein, so protein gets the blame. Optimal for large breeds is around 1.2%, though remember, if feeding an adult food, they will have to consume more of it to meet their caloric/energy needs, so that will raise as they eat more of the food, so aim lower. |
Jenni78 by Smiley on 15 May 2012 - 14:56 |
| She's not feeding adult food....it's for all life stages. I am no expert but sounds like something else is going on. It doesn't sound like a feeding issue...... Good luck. I hope you and the new vet an figure it out. Poor pup. Wonder if it's a reaction to vaccinations? Jenni is correct about calcium but most high quality foods keep the levels acceptable. You're not supplementing with extra food/treats/table food? I would explore the vaccination connection... But, there are people far more experienced here than I. Hopefully, they will chime in. Sara |
by BoCRon on 15 May 2012 - 16:37 |
Had a client's pup diagnosed with HOD about 8 weeks ago. The pup was around 18 weeks at the time. The first vet diagnosed Pano, but we encouraged the owner to seek a second opinion. Her description of the pup sounded way worse than any Pano we'd experienced. She went to a second clinic the next morning. By the time she got there the pup's temp was 106! Anyway that vet suggested that HOD can also be linked to the distemper vaccine. Somehow the original vet had managed to get the pup in for 5 distemper boosters in the 10 or so weeks since the owner had gotten the pup.  Anyway, they ended up having to shave the pup in a couple of places in order to use the morphine patches, which seemed to be the only way to ease his discomfort. I'm happy to say that he is now 6 months old and fully recovered and absolutely full of vim and vigor, but boy he was a sick little boy for a while there. This pup was on adult food at the time, but sorry, I don't remember which brand. One of the grain frees is all I know. Annette |
BoCRon by aceofspades on 15 May 2012 - 16:42 |
| Five distemper boosters in ten weeks????? WTF. |
by Cavalier K9 on 15 May 2012 - 23:09 |
| It wasn't listed on the bag but I contacted the company and it is 1.02% Calcium. Her last set of vaccines was on the 4th. My vet says that there are really no known causes and that we are now just playing a wait and see game. I did start her on Glyco-Flex and she is still on Metecam, Tramadol and I'm now giving her Sub Q fluids at home. I'm really hoping these things work! Victoria |
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