Global warming. Thread started by Joanro. - Page 16

Now, about the polar bear populations. It really is hard to try to make a case on whether the polar bear population is more threatened by the natural varying size of the Arctic Ice cap within a year, a decade or centuries. Or, from the effects of hunting within the known recorded centuries of history. What is left out was a time frame from the WWF statistics being quoted and that the 19 populations are in different countries. This is an excerpt from Nov. 18, 2018 article from GeekWire by Alan Boyle.

 

The first census of polar bears living around the Chukchi Sea, straddling Alaska and eastern Siberia, suggests that the population has been stable and healthy over the past decade.

That comes as a welcome contrast to the problems facing polar bears in other Arctic regions as their sea-ice habitat shrinks. The loss of  sea ice is an issue for the Chukchi Sea as well, but the nearly 3,000 bears in that region don’t seem to be feeling the strain as much.

“Despite having about one month less time on preferred sea-ice habitats to hunt compared with 25 years ago, we found that the Chukchi Sea subpopulation was doing well from 2008 to 2016,” Eric Regehr, a biologist at the University of Washington’s Polar Science Center, said today in a news release.

It really is scientifically data deficient over the varied timeframes to be making absolute claims to what is normal or alarming in the fluctuation of the total polar bear population.

Gsd, you are correct, I don't care one bit what President Trump does or had done in his personal, private life.
And ' cutting down obamma' ....no I have not. just stating facts about the antiamerican sore looser.

Apparently the measures taken to use clean burning coke were not enough to prevent another London smog event in 1962. The increased uses of gas, electricity, oil and other solid fuels that would also displace the burning of cleaner burning coke since then (must) have made a difference.

From Wikipedia: Texas A&M Univ., while investigating the Beijing air pollution haze have theorized:

It is theorised that in 1952 in London, the nitrogen dioxide and sulfur dioxide combined with fog rather than humidity; larger droplets of water diluted the acid products, allowing more sulfate production as sulfuric acid. Sunrise burned off the fog, leaving concentrated acid droplets that killed citizens.^{[citation needed]}

And no, while I am very familiar wiith the London Fog trenchcoat, and LA smog phenomena, watching "The Crown" series was my first time learning of the miserable and deadly conditions that unregulated air quality permitted when it enveloped London in 1952, which happened before I was born.

For the ones who think further than the words of a pathological liar.

C02 is not the only problem, the main problem is fossil fuel and everything that comes with burning it. It took nature millions of years to produce a drop of oil, we use it in milliseconds.

It's obvious that oil wells will dry up someday, the same as for coal and natural gasses. Today we use more energy then ever and that will only increase in the future. As the resources dry up we will be bound to to take drastic measures, like drilling into sensible environments. Energy prices will sore to unprecedented levels.

Rogue countries with reserves will have the upper hand, like we are kissing the ass of Saudi Arabia and Russia wright now.

Renewable energy sources are the answer to  energy independence.

C02 reduction is a vehicle to mitigate the problems we absolutely are going face in the future.

No scam pure logic

 

 

Allan,

They told us we were running out of oil when Nixon was president.

There were gas lines all over the place. Rationing etc.

Later it was discovered they were dumping gas in the desert and holding tankers off shore to purposely create a fuel shortage.

So you and your friends just keep swallowing the BS line the government is spewing.

Allan we just need bigger government because they are so honest and trustworthy.

Bigger is always better...Not

Good post Mountain lion.

Ya wanta know what big government is really good at? Manipulating facts, creating fiction, brainwashing kids in government run schools, persecuting political rivals, persecuting those who would dare support a political rival, and on and on. But what big government is not good at, is doing the jobs they have been hired to do.

It is not just governments saying this, it also happens to be many many civilian scientists. I know it is all some big huge conspiracy. Funny thing happened though through all of this is big energy is one of the biggest investors in renewable energy. Which brings full circle to how you guys keep saying this is a redistribution of wealth, lol, utter scatter brains.

It isn't really scattered brains. The truth is, ML and Joanro didn't make up the idea. The idea that carbon emissions have been given a price tag really is the crux of the problem that birthed out the idea of wealth redistribution. Added to the fact that the goals set for emission reductions are not being met and perhaps never were attainable, doesn't help either.

What you have then is, the creation of a new market place without a real incentive to change. Being sued for health reasons and causes for death seem to work better as an incentive to invest in cleaner sustainable technologies, than monetizing carbon emissions.

@Beetree: yes, the changes to solid fuels and other heating methods all gradually improved matters, in terms of the air in London and other British cities; although, as I said, I can recall heavy fog into the 60s (including the second severe dose in '62 that you mention).
However, whether that improvement has just been superceded by worse but different air pollution is a moot point - air quality measured along the Old Kent Road has been getting steadily worse, in this year and several preceeding years, much to the distress of those with asthma (especially children); while you can see better through the current air, it is just as damaging.

Only thought you might have come across Pea Soupers because I've seen frequent references to them by many American novelists and other writers; and some tourists also ask about them.

Yes, bee.
One need only ask, how does taxing cow farts prevent climate change?

Answer: IT DOES NOT!! It's all about taking money!!!