Labrador Retriever > Pedigree query? (73 replies)
by mdsmith on 19 February 2009 - 14:24
We have a 6 month old Chocolate lab that we bought from a private sale rather than from the breeder direct, and were provided with paperwork when we bought her. I have however got a few queries. Any help with them would be greatly appreciated.
1. The breeder company name is 'Churchill Wealden Sporting ltd' has anyone heard of them?
2. The pedigree is apparently registered with 'Kennel and Canine Pedigree Registration co.' with an address in London but i cant find any info of them online.
3.The 'pedigree family history states that our dogs parents were Sire-'Ravenspur Charlie' and Dam-Ravenspur and Highclare. Further down the line (our dogs apprant Great Grandad is Pocklea Remus, now he does appear in this register. If anyone has heard the ravenspur nae then please let me know.
As i said, any help with this would be great. Thanks.
by lookin4ppgsd on 23 February 2009 - 21:06
|Never heard of them can't find anything on them either. Sounds like you got ripped off. Are the parents show line? If the Dam and Sire have the same parents you really got screwed.|
by Barkus on 24 February 2009 - 03:36
Found a Ravenspur breeder using my advanced search methods. Looks like they primarily breed Griffon Bruxellois. The number is in Australia (07) 3890 3064.
There's also a link below to someone else who bought a pup from the Co you mention. Please follow it:
by mdsmith on 24 February 2009 - 21:12
|Its ok, the parents dont have the same sire and dame.|
There are a couple of other people that have come to me saying they used the same breeder so am happy about that, it was more to see if anyone was familiar with the ravenspur name.
Thanks for your replies.
by ANTY on 26 February 2009 - 17:08
|Hi i saw your add when i was looking for something on my Ravensphur. Hope its of some help...|
CHURCHILL WEALDEN SPORTING
ASHFORD , KENT
that's where i bought my 1 yr 3 mth old ravensphur lab from and there the breeders
by karenmelton on 01 March 2009 - 22:50
|please could you let me know if youve any more news on this breeder as i checked out the company re lodon and its been dissolved some time as i just brought a puppy on fri last week and the man dominic who is the breeder asked if i wanted the pup registered but its not with the kenel club and it also states in the contract of sale under no circumstances can the dog be used for comercial or privat breeding i wanted to have alitter from her and it all seems a bit odd , my daughter has a pup too from him and they are fantastic dogs hers is 16 weeks and very big and beautifull ,its just that something doesnt add up ie the name ravenspur i cant find any where|
by ANTY on 02 March 2009 - 20:04
Did you buy your pupys from this add ? mine came with a owner registration certificate which was sent once i had picked a name * kennel and canine pedigree registration co * with an add of: 196 hugh road, woodgreen,london n22 8hh
by rachel09 on 04 March 2009 - 20:31
|Hi, we bought a puppy last weekend too, I have tried to find out about the registration, but no luck, me thinks we have been ripped off! :-) But the puppy is lovely- we hope he will be healthy.|
by lab lover on 02 April 2009 - 22:24
|please note i also have been sold a dog by dominic for faversham / churchill wealdon sporting ltd under false pretense ,as i asked if the dog was K C registered and was told it was when buying the dog was not registered but for an extra £20 it would be K|
by lab lover on 02 April 2009 - 22:37
|KC registered when the cert turned up the next day it was registered with the Kennel & Canine Pedigree Registrtion co.This is not easily found as an AGENCY forward there mail (trying to find out where to )Not only that but our puppy didnt seem right so we call dominic and our vets about a cough the dog had both told us to wait an evening as stress could cause this but know the puppy is in the vets with an i v drip and not well at all.nNot only have i been mugged by this company but i vealso had to pay an extra £80 so far for registration and vet insurance excess although Dominic has agreed to pay back these costs only if vet said that the dog had the problems before we took the dog ?i only had it an evening b4 we called back with our probs.TRIED TO FINE OUT INFO ON DAM / SIRE AND THE K & C PR Co BUT CANT FIND ANYTHING |
DO NOT BUY FROM THESE PEOPLE UNLESS YOU WANT A DOG WHERE YOU CANT FIND OUT ITS HISTORY OR PARENTS
IM IN CONVERSATION TO SEEK COMPENSATION
by CharlieBrown on 04 April 2009 - 15:02
|Hi There, was sorry to hear of your unwell puppy! hope hes on the mend!!. We purchased a chocolate lab from Dominic and his wife last year!. Charlie Brown will be a year old on the 18Th of May. He is a beautiful dog! we couldn't wish for a better temperament in a family pet . We have had no problems with Charlie apart from him having mites when first purchased but we were covered by pet plan so wasn't a issue! unfortunately things do happen and all kinds of illness can strike animals as well as humans. In your case u are lucky as you are protected by insurance! and Dominic has agreed to pay back the costs! there's not much else that he could do, he can only do so much!. Charlie was checked and passed the vet checks before he was released to me!. So regardless the issue with the mites situation! there would of been no point me ringing Dominic to make this issue known to him as we were covered by pet plan and as i say these things happen! yes its disappointing to say the least! but once they leave the breeding seller then the puppy is your sole responsibility!. Yes in your situation it must be so upsetting watching a puppy go down hill so dramatically! Your right to query this with the seller and i think Dominic dealt with this situation in the correct way!!. To put this issue on the Internet telling people not to buy from this breeder is a bit of a negative point as there is probably many customers like us that are satisfied with our puppy's and the information and quality of service that we were given!. We went back today and purchased a Fox Red Lab from the same breeder!. The kennels and the premises are always spotless when we have visited always a friendly greeting upon arrival!. We also had the opportunity to see Charlie dad again!. I hope you solve your issue and i wish your puppy all the best!. |
by stickytoffee on 28 April 2009 - 17:02
My husband and i bought a chocolate labrador bitch from Dominic at Churchill Wealden Sporting LTD in sept 07.
She was sired by Ravenspur Hugo.
I have read the write ups concerning this company but have to say 2 years down the line we are very happy with our purchace. she has had no health problems, and has really turned out a well formed good looking lab.I also use her as a working dog through the winter months on a local game shoot, at which she is comimg on in leaps and bounds!
At the time of purchase Dominic completed all her K C registration papers for us to which we promptly recieved her papers through the post from the kennel club. so personally i couldn't fault the company.
by valamber on 03 May 2009 - 19:57
Ive just been reading all the posts on here. I am glad to see that some of you have had good experiences with your puppies/dogs.
Personally I would not buy a puppy or dog that has not had health tests carried out and that i could not trace the history of my dog. It sounds like alot of you have had problems tracing your dogs history, and yes your dogs might be ok now but for how long?
I read an article today in DOGS TODAY magazine. It was about PUPPY FARMING! A lady has spent over £23,000 on vet bills for her dog that is now 3 years old. Her dog suffers on a daily basis.
Some of you have been lucky, but my advice is STAY CLEAR of PUPPY FARMS they dont care about the dogs or the puppies,
by ANTY on 08 May 2009 - 10:02
|I bought a puppy sired by RAVENSPUR HUGO & RAVENSPUR AMBER She was boron on 10 Nov 07. A chocolate lab. She was a beautiful dog and my pride and joy till she developed kidney failuire and had to be put down this year and just over a year old. This was only found out in blood tests after she had been spayed. I thought the vets had made a mistake with the spaying and something had gone wrong but the autopsy came back from the royal veterinary college that it was hereditary ! I contacted Dom and sent him all the paper work and he said his vet would look at it and do a report i also rang numerous times and he promised to send paper work reg his vets diagnosis but i gave up a couple of weeks ago and left with a £5000 vets bill just paid it. I was insured but not for all of it ! He seemed so helpfull !!!!! Im very dissapointed. Had he of sent me the information he promised i wouldnt have written on this post but i feel v let down :-(|
by ANTY on 08 May 2009 - 10:34
|Just to follow on from my above comment the report said * renal dysplasias can occur in any breed, the causes are not well defined but are most likely to contain a hereditary component. * Im not a vet and can only go on what im told but id hate to miss lead anyone or bad mouth someone i just joined the post as found it interesting other people had had problems to with the same breeder. He did seem so nice and helpfull i really am dissapointed !|
by gstuart on 31 May 2009 - 22:54
I came across this company, namely churchill wealden sporting ltd in faversham, been reading the negative things people have been writing about them
We have bought 2 puppies from him, 1 x female yellow lab now 6 months old and 1 x black bitch 8 weeks old yeasterday.
Wished to say how pleased we were with them, kennels spotless, able to see mum and dad,also all the paperwork was explained clearly to us before signing them.
this guy has been breeding for i believe nearly 30 years .
The other thing we liked was he was very helpful and always happy to answer questions.
I was sorry to hear about your chocolate lab,must have been very upsetting but hope your didnt mind me higlhy recommending these breeders who do everything possible to make sure the puppies born are from the best possible strain and pedigree.
When we went back we took our first puppy back where we recieved an extremely warm welcome, he had a litter of black labs, most of which he was going to keep for gundog training,we were very lucky he allowed us to have one of these pups.
He was very fussy who he sold his dogs too.
Sorry if ive rambled on a bit but wished to higlhy recommend these breeders and hope knowone has been put off going to dominic.
all the best
by ANTY on 01 June 2009 - 12:10
by ANTY on 01 June 2009 - 12:45
I have nothing whatsoever bad to say about the breeders i believe he breeds very good dogs and i was unfortunate. These things happen. But if someone says they will do something then they should. Thats good customner service. I did everything he asked me to do i even paid for a copy of all the vets notes & sent them all to him and he supposidly had his vet do me a report. Everytime i rang he said it was being sent and now after 2 months ive given up ! I would not be put off by buying a dog from him as i believe he does breed good dogs & i have recomended him in the past im just very very let down that he has strung me along & promised to do something he didnt. Thats why i joined this post. I would never every have written on here had he of just sent me what he promised. I do hope i havent personaly put anyone off buying from him im just writting my personal experience.
by labgold on 04 June 2009 - 13:01
|Sorry to hear what has happened to you Anty, but no real surprise. This guy Dom's real name is John Vant. He might call himself Churchill Wealden now, but he used to call himself Vantoak. He has quite a reputation for selling dogs with illnesses. Forget claims of 30 years experience, complete nonsense. He and his wife have been heavily fined by Ashford Council in the past. Beware of what he says, Also on forums like this he has been known to post supporting entries to try to deflect attention.|
by steven blundel on 06 June 2009 - 13:37
i brought a Labrador from a Mr john vant some years ago from his kennels near Wye in ash ford Kent , a beautiful dog and still is , the problems refered to he had with ash ford council was licensing , no more no less and had nothing to do with the dogs welfare breeding or anything else for that matter i checked this out at the time of my purchase and was more than happy with him . john vant I am now given to believe lives in southern France . Friends of mine recently purchased a labrador puppy from a company called Churchill wealden sporting limited and was served by a person called Dominic Bradley based at a kennels between ash ford and maid stone in Kent . they asked me to go with them for support and advice , the puppy was lovely , the kennels spotless , and the paper work available to see and Dominic Bradley was most certainly not the Mr john vant that I had met being very much younger in my opinion .
it seems to me that it is very easy to throw dirt and negatives whilst hiding behind a false name and deliberately creating problems for the target , mostly i would assume caused through jealousy and ignorance , Dominic and or his company must be doing well .
my name for the record is Steven blundell i live in Rochester in Kent and should anyone wish to speak to me my telephone is 07818442820 perhaps the other negative contributers would like to post their real names etc for the record .