Sport to LE? Who's done this? - Page 28

Vito: Bites looks chewy to you - if they are - because the dog is not a sleeve dog.
Joan embarrasses herself not because she is describling the dog but because she is wrong and she knows it and as always needs to diss me.
Besides on that video Dona is not trained by us. She was trained elsewhere by the same type sportists as Joan. Larter on, Donna was retrained by Jiri and mainly by me when she arrived here. She was always very civil but the intent by her original trainer was to teach her stupidly to target sleeve. This genetically civil dog was trained against which I call "go along with the dog" rule. There is much going on with the dog and her training but I am not interested to go into details for someone who just wants to be ill-natured with me and try to trap me.
As far as Dona goes
Unfortunately, this type of training is common with dogs we get and it is then up to us to retrain them when we get them before they are sold. This different from Joan's dog who is being trained to target sleeve and she calls it civil training. Which is a joke. In any case, Donna is now a valued member of LE in Arizona which basically proves my point.

Joan's dog was a fine dog and I have said so, but her "civil" training is a pathetic attempt to past sportism training for "Civil" training. I tried to explain to her my point of view on several occasions but all I got was snarky remakes,... so I quit. I am watching her ridiculous claims of civil dog training for more than a decade or two ( who is counting) and I know what she does. Personally, I really do not care what she does, but it chaps my hide that she is publishing her nonsense about civil training on international forum unchecked and read by people who have no knowledge of such training. Personally, I wish it would not be so since I rather than bicker with her would like to talk to dogs.

Pragre: have said so, but her "civil" training is a pathetic attempt to past sportism training for "Civil" training.


Get it through your head...the puppy is being SPORT trained to title in SDA/WDA....for his P1

That was NOT civil training...it IS SPORT training !!! Can you read !? The puppy in the video is being trained for a SPORT title!!! NOT being " civil" trained !!!

How many ways and how many times do I have to say it so you get it through your head!?? The puppy in the video posted is being trained for a P1 title in the SPORT WDA!!!!
He is NOT being " civil" trained !!!

Do you u n d e r s t a n d !!!??? Every one else seemed to get that the puppy is being trained in sport except you..
Go and visit some clubs and watch how they train...maybe then you will understand what was going on in the eight month span in the life of the puppy in the video....from the beginning at 12 weeks old, to 12 months old October 25 of this year...sport training ; it's purpose is to take the pup to a trial this spring and trial him and get a P1 TITLE !
You don't understand the difference between an observation and remark stating the pup shows civil TENDENCIES...and " civil training" !

What is " pathetic" is that you D O NOT U N D E R S T A N D the difference between training for a title in sport and training you call " civil" training...please go and learn the difference before you come on here insulting me!

Hans

I hear ya. Maybe it would make sense to post one of your videos demonstrating what you like, what you're looking for, and your methods. Otherwise, it looks like you are just picking apart her video without showing the right way, your way.

Joan: "... it was a dumb scenario pragre put out there that he could stand a guy with a sleeve and one without, and the puppy would go for the guy with the sleeve! Of course he will! "

 

Prager:  Well, in the sentence above you gave us a perfect example of the results of your training and of your misunderstanding of what civil dog should do.

FYI if I have 2 decoys one in suit and one not - and I point the dog on a decoy who has no suit on or any other equipment ( like stick)- then the true civil dog has to go where I am pointing him  which in this test is civil decoy and must not get swayed by equipment clad decoy EVEN THOUGH HE AGITATES HIM AND MOVES AROUND EVEN IN BETWEEN THE DOG AND CIVIL DECOY AND MUST ignore the decoy with the suit and target the civil one. This test must be done in an unfamiliar location with to the dog unfamiliar decoys. THAT is a civil dog. Anything less is not a civil dog and not a civil training designed to achieve such a civil dog. 

  As far as your example of dog chasing after the guy ion the tree is another example of sportism training BECAUSE THE DECOY HAS A SLEEVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That is not a civil dog training. 

 

What is his " right way" to train for a sport title ? He does not do sport, remember. And he obviously does not recognize training for sport when he sees it!

Pragre: As far as your example of dog chasing after the guy ion the tree is another example of sportism training BECAUSE THE DECOY HAS A SLEEVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That is not a civil dog training.

God you are so dense! I said the dog is civil! I also said I was doing some stuff with him that would be fun for him while training him for his sch title. I never said that was civil training.....can you read, pragre? The dog hunted the guy , he loved to track...I combined his favorite two things for a fun time out from training on the field: tracking and biting!!! I was paying the guy  to decoy my dogs....you think I should have made him let the dog bite his bare arm?? Because he would have. I don't think he would have come back to my place to decoy any more if I'd of let him get bitten on purpose!

Get a grip, pragre, you are becoming unhindged with your obsession about how everyone should work their dog...and getting whacked out any time the word civil is used.....civil•civil•civil•civil•civil•civil•civil•civil•civil•civil

I expect your head is about to explode,now, after seeing the C word over and over and over and over.....get a grip on yourself!!!! The sky will not fall because I typed civil a bunch of times without your consent.

Btw, you must have been impressed with my dog catching the guy six feet up in the tree, because you stole that picture from my website and stuck it on your site without my permission! And without giving credit. Told people that's how you train!

So go pound sand about your civil/ sportism fetish !!!

Joan, calm down or vain in your head my pop and with whom would I then bicker? :)

Just to refresh your memory. I was saying repeatedly, that sports foundation is detrimental to a dog who as a final product needs to civil. Or as I put it he may be civil but will have a baggage of "Fabric" fetish. Then you have put up this video as an example to show us how sports training will or may lead to civil dog.   Yes, I am aware that the dog was in sports training,... that was the entire point of your proof that sport training will make a dog more and more civil. Thus you were contradicting  my statement that the sport is detrimental, to civil training) 

Here is your complete quote which was made as a re-battle to me saying, sport foundation-sleeve targetting is bad for dog being eventually civil:

Joan: "Here is an example of a pup from 12 weeks old, to 12 months old, ( then you changed it to 8mo and then to 10 mo,...but whatever) started in typical sport type training, he is obviously showing civil tendency. Watch how he ignores the equipment the more he matures. He is line bred on my dog Body Jipo- me, a very civil dog and he is the sire of the dog I described testing with zero foundation work completely green and the sire of the female who saved her owner from the intruder with bite to stomach through a tshirt....it's genetics, baby! https://youtu.be/PS9Np9fgSsQ"

 I  then said that the pup us showing 0(ZERO) civil tendency and your training nor his genetics did not make him "civil" as you are trying to embarrassingly convince us by this inconclusive video.

 

 

  I do not want to get reprimanded by moderators thus I will not comment anymore. and I have deleted for this thread irrelevant post. . . 

Pragre, you have shown that you have nothing to offer in the way of being truth full.


You have made a complete fool of yourself...not good for Jiri's business for his broker in the USA to act like a know-it-all but proving he is disingenuous.


Post your training videos and show the world how you train dogs for sport....because you talk about it like you are an expert, you knock the heck out of it, use it for the amunition to insult training you don't understand.

You take words out of context to fit your narrative, you ignore the whole explanation and invent your own.

Yes, as the pup matures he expresses a civil tendency...which the sport training does not squash because it is genetics. The first time on the bench, the pup was going after the decoy...seriously going after him and not because he was slapped in the face, norflanked...but because that was his first reaction to a man staring him in the face.
And he focuses on the man,not the sleeve...but I'm wasting my time explaining this to you, because for you, everything is the way you say it is....you are the voice about the gsd all around the world and nobody else knows shitttt!

Pragre: and I have put Body on my site after a verbal agreement because you asked me to sell your pups from Body x Chekta z Jirkova Dvora (

That is a bunch of BS! I had six puppies in that litter and they were sold before they were born! I kept two of them and still have them. Only one litter from Body and Chekta, because it was his last....never, ever, would I let you touch one of his pups.

No, pragre, you put my picture in your section " interesting pictures" or something like that. Without asking permission. I bought Body and imported him when he was only 8 weeks old....you get zero credit for how he turned out...in fact you bought a littermate after I got him...some how he only lived 6 months. So you don't get any credit for anything to do with my dog. In fact, same goes for Chekta...I imported her ( also to Atlanta international) she was shipped to me when she was only 7 weeks old...had to take her to the vet and put her on ivs because she was so eat up with worms and coccidia. She is the last puppy I got from jiri. She's nine years old now, sleep with me. I trained her to work our goat herd, great help on the farm..besides working lvestock, her next favorite thing is squirrel hunting.....you don't get any credit for how she turned out, either.

In fact, you had a littermate brother and sister of hers...you bred them...together. What else did you produce from her? The pup in the video you have obsessed about is Chekta's grandson....

I never asked you to sell puppies for me. I sold five males to you...and regrettably let you have Adela.

You are a very bitter old jealous man, and you have a problem with telling the truth.

Now go and troll someone else, because you are going to get another thread locked down!