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Sunsilver

by Sunsilver on 23 August 2017 - 03:08

How's teaching your dog to bark going?

Eska is doing great on the field, thank you for asking. Part of the problem is the lack of a really good, experienced decoy right now. However, we have 2 older, really experienced members who are coaching one of the new guys who stepped up to the plate to help out, and he's doing really well with the dogs. One of the men teaching him is our president, who has done seminars to train and qualify new decoys, so he has a good teacher.

The bark and hold is still a work in progress, though. She wants that sleeve, and she wants it NOW!

Western Rider

by Western Rider on 23 August 2017 - 03:08

Kitkat love this sentence   you don't even need to be a serious breeder to send them packing

I love when they email see this and don't even need to respond. Unfortunately there are a bunch of them out there like this.


by Bavarian Wagon on 23 August 2017 - 13:08

I actually prefer this sentence:

"I myself do not have any problem with sport people. I tried it myself but I made my dogs look bad"

Admission that someone can't do the training...so they know that the dogs will look comparably bad to the dogs out there doing something so they just stop doing it all together and start telling stories and breeding based on pedigree or the way the dog acts in the home rather than proving working ability. They "believe" the dog has what it takes, but they don't go out there to prove it and just breed/sell based on hope and some knowledge that they might have. Sad really, and unfortunately the sheep are the ones that can't see the forest through the trees and have zero understanding of what this kind of breeding does to the breed as a whole. Want to know why America has to keep importing blood every year? That right there. Can't do it yourself, don't want to spend the money to have someone else do it, but still want to breed the animals because...well why not? They're amazing...and no one can prove otherwise.

Bottom line...the dogs look better being pets than actually doing the work they were intended to do. Doing the work just shows that they're lacking in something and therefore many breeders don't do the work because it gives buyers NEGATIVE information. Before the dog does any kind of work...there is still hope and the idea that the dog is capable...when it's proven that it isn't...the dog loses value and potential customers disappear and go to the breeders that are proving that their dogs are actually capable of what they claim. Like I stated before...hard facts and objective information is the most important thing to base your buying decision off of...if more people did that, instead of falling for sales pitches...you'd eliminate a lot of problems that we have today.

Like I stated on a different thread about issues within the breed...those involved in the breed tend to have way less issues and problems with their dogs than those that aren't and just go to some random breeder they find somewhere. Interesting how that works...

by Ragnarok2 on 23 August 2017 - 14:08

People that are involved in sport or show or belong to a club have a significant advantage to know who is serious. Or, at least, have someone to ask. It is the true pet people that need to do the research. Those who do not wish to do anything other than the two walk a day and some car rides and maybe a soccer game once in a while. They often buy dogs just based on looks and stories. Yet, they are the ones making the most noise when they love their dog into diabetes or joint issues because of weight, poor food choices, experience genetic problems (not doing any research on the breeder), etc. The list goes on. We can keep going in circles. I think first and foremost the buyer must be serious.

Baerenfangs Erbe

by Baerenfangs Erbe on 23 August 2017 - 14:08

How do you even make a good dog look bad?

I've messed one of my dogs up rather bad. Busted vocal chord, made him a little crazy with inconsistent training, and yet people can still tell that he's one hell of a dog. You don't just make a good dog look bad. People that know their stuff can still tell whether or not you've got a good dog in front of you or not.


Ya know, with all the talk about how important titling is, and whatnot, I kind of have a feeling that just because you title doesn't mean you are serious. Sure, you put in the time, but whats your purpose? Why? What are you trying to accomplish?


From day one, I've had a purpose. I wanted to preserve our blood. I had a mission and knew exactly what I was looking for and trying to accomplish and the type of dog I wanted and liked. Fortunately I know exactly what I like and don't like and I'm selecting dogs according to my plan, based on traits and blood. Too many people go into this game without even knowing what they want to accomplish and what they are looking for in a dog.
They want to "better the breed". But how? What do you want to see in a dog? Are you breeding to get puppies that are better than the parents or are you just breeding because you titled the dog and think that makes your dog breed worthy?

The worst are those that import bred bitches, never even handled a dog in their life, don't know nothing about the breed and then sell those puppies for 2000 per pop. People that make excuses for environmental issues and just don't understand how genetics work but yet they have money and can actually keep buying dogs for no other reason than breeding them.


As for pet people: People deserve good pets! A lot of people never even met a well bred dog and all they know are "protective" spookbags. If someone breeds for good solid pets, I have absolutely no issue with that because people deserve good pets!


yogidog

by yogidog on 23 August 2017 - 15:08

I was at a seminar a few months ago with a very well known German trainer and the words out of his mouth was ipo dog are not good for breeding as they are point dogs most have major problems and the handler finds a way to work around it. This was taken out of a conversation that was about dogs going to the world championship. I've bought many dogs from very good breeding ipo dogs over the years and I'm sorry to say alot where shite very bad nerves in new invorments. I have one female now from ipo back ground I'm quite happy with.i think she has a lot to offer to my breeding program with the right male. So imo serious breeders is a joke u only know how good the dog is when u get your hands on it. So dogs that live in your house or in a pen makes no difference if you are hiding problems. A serious breeder is one that is honest about their dogs. But unfortunately I only met a handful

by Bavarian Wagon on 23 August 2017 - 17:08

Sorry yogi, all you’re doing is repeating the regular jealous jargon from people that can’t compete and can’t do well. If this was your experience with IPO dogs, I’d listen to it, but I know that where you live, you have not had the ability to actually lay your hands or even be on the same field with the top dogs in this world. On top of that…I really don’t understand why every time we speak about titling and IPO…the only dogs people bring up are the world level dogs. You can’t discuss the majority of IPO trained dogs because you don’t actually see them. Are there trainers that can cover up issues? Absolutely. The same way there are “real dog” trainers that don’t teach their dog an out because it’s too much control and the dog will lose all drive to bite and fight because of it (waiting for the denial of this). The majority of IPO dogs are pets, they’re owned by people that won’t ever leave their club. Those are the people that “make their dogs look bad” because they lack training skills. They’re the people that can’t get their dog to learn a bark and hold. That’s the majority of IPO. Trust me, the last thing these people are doing is covering up issues through training.

Somehow and someway, there are thousands of dogs coming from IPO titled parents and ending up in police departments all over the world and also at sport clubs and continuing to train, title, and “work.” But yes, your experience with a handful is much more telling than all those dogs. The point of my comment wasn’t to say that IPO and titling is the end all be all, but the breeders who work their dogs, who have tangible proof of their ability, are the ones that “newbies” should be looking for…rather than those that are telling stories and tall tales about what their dogs have done and how amazing they are to live with.

I would love it if just once, all of you “IPO dogs have shit nerves” people would actually name the dogs you’re talking about. Dead, alive, whatever. Instead of speaking in theoreticals and “I’ve heard this before” I’d love to actually see the names of the dogs and their handlers/trainers.

yogidog

by yogidog on 23 August 2017 - 17:08

Bw you know nothing I've been all over Europe training with very good people  . I've spent years travelling. My point was which you totally missed which was doesn't matter where your dogs come from if the breeder is not honest. Most people advertise there dogs titles to sell puppies but if u are covering problems up they will show their ugly heads somewhere and that's why honesty is what make a serious breeder. U are always defensive missing the main point. U come across to me a as very week person.


by Bavarian Wagon on 23 August 2017 - 18:08

Yup, the weak are usually the ones calling other's names and using derogatory language. Nice job buddy.

Next time, at least spell the word right.

 

Who do you train with? Just wondering when you post things like this on websites...

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/community.read?post=881096-prey-drive


yogidog

by yogidog on 23 August 2017 - 18:08

Weak person ☺️
U obviously struggle very bad with iPo to be that miserable and ratty when talking about dogs. And once again u miss the point. Go back and read it again u actually might learn something.





 


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