When will people learn about training methods - Page 1

I know the only thing 2 trainers can agree on is what the 3rd trainer is doing wrong but really now, don't see how anyone can defend what Jeffery Schultz from Landmark Retrievers in Ennis, TX did while "training" a lab.  When the dog snapped at him, he hoisted the poor dog up by its ears and as it screamed in pain, put it down and began to slap the crap out of it in its face.  That is not training, that is abuse. 

Compulsion/force training using pain as a consequence has been disproven as a reliable method of training.  Using positive reinforcement with fair immediate non-painful corrections is much  more reliable and dovetails with how dogs learn.  I won't post the video of what he did which is being used in his prosecution because it is disturbing.  Sad thing is the poor dog's owners are defending Mr. Schultz's methods and stated they used them at home.  No wonder the dog is snapping.......

More and more "trainers" (using the term loosely) are being prosecuted for abusive methods. 

Positive Motivational Techniques are the way to train...I personally like to use a lot of Food...but it depends on the dog and what they Like the best...What is their High Quality Reward...Some dogs have a higher Toy Drive (Ball Drive) then Food Drive...But a dog learns and retains from Positive Training and produces a better dog...NOW...I won't say there's no place for Compulsion because there is a place for it...But ONLY after they understand what is expected of them...The dog must understand what they're expected to do...
After you have taught with Positive Methods and you continue to train...If the dog refuses to follow commands then a Correction is appropriate...But ONLY a correction that is hard enough to get the dog's attention and back into the Training Mode...
If you train with Compulsion then the dog will begin to react to it in a Negative way...So a good balance must be maintained...ALWAYS train in a Fair way...Think of what you're going to do before doing it...

~Bob~

P.S. Anyone who trains with Compulsion to the point of hurting the dog or animal is Abusing the dog...and should be reprimanded...

This all sounds wonderful!

Utopia !

Witnessed my dam using pain to teach her puppy restraint. I filed a complaint against her with the police.

The Video: http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2015/11/19/video-of-trainer-hitting-dog-prompts-investigation/

vonrivera

Difficult to see in this video ...7 seconds only, no background info...
I really try to train my dogs with positive motivation as much as possible, but sometimes ( although the dog learned the command, one day there is the moment something else is more interesting ) positive motivation doesn´t work any more ( f.e. dog learned the recall, but decides that chasing a cat is more interesting than listening to me ). The next car may be the dog´s end.
We don´t know much about the relationship dog/handler in this video - they call it " obedience class" - so I guess the dog is not used to the handler. Normally people join these classes because they do have problems with their dogs. We don´t know what kind of problems, honestly, we know nothing about the dog ...
In a perfect world a dog raised and trained in a loving and caring family surrounding will develop into a perfect family dog - in reality a lot of dogs raised in families become alpha and neurotic, because the owners know nothing about dogs, and treat them like antiauthorian parents ( the result of this education style we see in our own youth ).
Why did this "trainer" handle this dog? Is it aggressive against the owner? Is it alpha? Is it just an a..h...? We don´t know, but there is a reason.

I´d kill every "trainer" treating my dog like this, but I´d never give my dog into the hands of anybody else. No problems = no professional trainer.

Sometimes 7 seconds of discomfort are better than a life in the pond. We don´t know...

Good post, Susie. There are no absolutes in dog training, just various degrees of situations that require certain approaches to be successful. I think all good trainers are basically positive motivated especially in the learning stages.

PETA has done it's job well. Thousands of people who probably couldn't train a dog to walk on a loose leash or sit. Are now experts on dog training ? lol
Condemning someone based on a 7 second posted by a former employee who doesn't even have the balls to show his face. What really irks me is the R+ and pure positive"trainers" who will recommend euthanizing/killing a dog before pulling it by the ears or giving it an open handed slap. If the owners are ok with what the trainer is doing? Then everyone else needs to MYOB and STFU

Thomas Barriano

So much depends on the dog and the situation. The way you train a 10 lb. lap dog is totally different from a working dog like a shepherd or mal. My training is becoming more and more positive as I learn. ( I grew up with old-school Kohler methods.)

Still, there's a place and a time for corrections, and if it's going to save your life and the dog's life, I have no objection to it, as long as it's fair and not abusive. My rule of thumb is use the mildest correction you can that will get the desired result, and make sure the dog knows WHY it is being corrected. If it ignores the correction, you didn't do it hard enough.

The gal in my sig really, really had a mind of her own. I had her with me in the canoe one fall day, and the water was cold enough to pose a serious risk to both of us if we fell in. As we approached the dock, she decided she was going to jump for it, which would have turned the canoe upside down and put us both in the water. Unfortunately, the leash was well out of my reach, and she was deaf to my verbal commands to lie down. So, I whacked her with the paddle. You would have thought I'd hit her with a wet noodle for all the response I got. Hit her again, harder, with the same result.

The third time, I really put some oomph into it. The blade of the paddle broke, but she FINALLY obeyed!

Next time we went canoeing, I made damn sure she was wearing a long enough leash that I could reach it, and I kept it looped around the seat beside me!