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Classified: TOP SHOW MALE FPR SALE
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| I also have a beautiful 9 month old Ando son ,which has an excellent temperament ,pigment , and has good bite work. |
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| infact ando is a great dog who deserve va title he produced well good males n females too,i think the dog prove his title with his progeny there r so many va dogs who gave nothing special to breed but ando prove his self by his offsprings that s means ando was a real va dog |
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The Ando son SONY makes SG 2 in the JKLR BSZS 2005!!!!
He is a wonderful young male with a great future.
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can u send me your address on qurashy@gmail.com
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The Best Ando son was here in India!
SG11 BSZS 2003 Rocky vom haus tepferd.
He was recently sold to Videx kennels in UK and is now in Holland for Stud services!
He's an excellent producer of his Type.
He is very much like Ando and he's got that same extra-long lower thigh bone! which results in over-angulation!
But rocky was one of the top-winning dogs for this year. |
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| do you had Progeny can you send me on qurashy@hotmail.com |
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Been reading trough older messages here and came over these about Ando Altenberger Land.
Hats off for a great achivment with your superb male Mr. Schleuter. And as others post - he is surtenly an alternativ for the likes of Ursus carrying sons, grandsons and grand-grandsons. And I have no reason to not believe that he was ill on the day at Hzs 2004.
But one has to be aware the problems with Ando as well. When someone stating that "everything is not good", that does not meen the dog is no good. What disdurb me most with Ando is his overangulated rear. And when he got tired (out of illness perhaps) his rear legs were all over the place. Overangulation is, as I see it, a problem regarding healt and practical movement for the GSD. This does not meen that I am against the use of Ando in the breed. Given the right females I expect him to do great things for our common breed. But to much angulation ain't any better than to little. Overangulation reduces rear firmness.
Anyway - Best of luck with Ando in the years to come.
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| Totally agree with Mr.Jochen.It's a stupidity to criticize a top dog without knowing the facts. |
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Because of some not so nice comments about Ando ,I put this on that site. Found it on another website, think that´s from a lot of interest and maybe it helps to stop the bad talking about a fantastic VA-MALE!!!!!!!!!!
A MESSAGE FROM NORBERT SCHLEUTER - HIS BREEDER and OWNER
We came back from the Siegershow with one laughing and one crying eye.
We are so surprised about the very good results of Ando's progeny in the Gebrauchshundclasses. Aebby V6, Ian V 19, Boy V39. what a great success.
Unfortunately Ando was ill and everybody who knows his normal presentation in the ring saw that on Sunday. We arrived on Thursday at the campgrounds in Karlsruhe and on Friday morning we got a shock when we took Ando out of the car. All over his body he had open wounds. His feets have been sore and he doesn`t want to walk. So we visited the veterinarian and he told us that this problem can always be found when the dogs are lying at the grass on that campground.
Grass mites all over his body. He got medicine and a special shampoo, but it doesn’t help that well. The Bite-work was good as always, but on Saturday in the progeny group we discussed if it would be a good idea to show him in such a bad condition on Sunday. So we gave him a bath again and all hope that it would be better on Sunday. Unfortunately we were asked to make music on Saturday evening at the official welcome evening of the SV which took us important time to care for Ando.
So we showed him and hoped that he will do as perfect as he always does in the ring, but he doesn’t. So we are very happy that he could hold the VA–title and know we all hope that he would feel better within the next days.
Because of the bad voices all over the world, and especially here in Germany, we felt as we have to write down the complete story about Ando's Sieger show 2004.
Those people that blaspheme about Ando's presentation should better go out and care for their own dogs. Maybe you can get a VA dog once. But for such a success you must work your dogs and don’t spent your time with talking about others…..
Norbert Schleuter
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Congratulations to Mr. Schleuter and the Altenberger-land Kennel. Ando is a fantastic male and very deserving of his VA title.
We all should wish we could breed such a dog. We know his record and his placings and so did the judge so VA it is.
Congratulations!!!!!!
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I agree with Sniper. Ando´s Show-Resentation was this year not very good. Ando´s Progeny was normal. It was not the best, which we wish us for a VA-Dog. But other VA-Dog´s-Progeny was also not so good.
Every people can write what he mean. And I and I think Sniper and other people also, write here only their meaning about a Dog.
Every Meaning is sometimes negative about a Dog.
I hope you unterstand this Mr.Schleuter.
Regards
Martin from Germany |
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| I mean that he moved bad in Karlsruhe. I saw Ando on other Shows, there he moved very very good. But in Karlsruhe he was not so good. So he lost his places. I think you know also that he moved not so good as on other shows before or last Year in Ulm where he ran very very good! |
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I mean that i moved bad in Karlsruhe. I saw Ando on other Shows, there he moved very very good. But in Karlsruhe he was not so good. So he lost his places. I think you know also that he moved not so good as on other shows before or last Year in Ulm where he ran very very good!
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Well done, Altenberger Land! I absolutely agree with you. It is very easy to criticize other people or their dogs, not even trying to achieve a similar level of success, which can be done only through hard effort and nerve and through sharing one's heart and soul with these nice creatures - dogs.
Ando is a great dog and so is his progeny. I have a male puppy (he's 11 months now) by Ando and Kenya Ochsentor and he is a smashing personality, very good looks, very smart and full of drive.
Do not be upset because of some silly comments here or where. People can get envious, unfortunately. Not every one can breed or own a dog that will grow to become a VA.
Cheers! |
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Ando is one of the, if not “THE BEST” alternate lines to Ursus, and has proven that consistently over the past couple of years.
People should be paying attention to his NUMEROUS positive contributions to the breed.
HIPS being just one of the most important!
The Ursus line is magnificent but the hip production is AVERAGE at best.
People should be using this dog more often while they can.
CONGRADULTIONS ALTENBERGER LAND!!
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Hello Sniper! Or better said björn.
What does that mean? He doesn't deserve his VA Title? Which aspects do you think should be given to deserve an VA title?
The whole progeny group got "a" normal. Shouldn`t health aspects be took into consideration? Or the fact that he had seven dogs in the open class. Can you tell me another dog who had that in his second progeny group. The report of Mr Orschler for the progeny group was without any negative points, so why didn't he deserve VA?
He was about 35 times V 1 during the last two years!Isn't that wonderful that a dog can be shown nearly every weekend? can you tell me another VA dog that was or is shown that often?
We know that his presentation was not as good as normal. He is ill. The whole explanation can be found on our hp.
www.Altenberger-Land.de
But he is still a dog that deserved his VA!
By the way the presentation of different other dogs wasn't that good either.
So one question to you Sniper? Did you have a dog in the best ring? You must be a professional if you can judge each dog. I was gone through the lists but I didn'T find a dog who is owned by you. Please don't spend your time with comments like that. Go out, work your dogs. Maybe,If you work as hard as we did, you will get a VA dog too. But during that time you wouldn't be able to sit down at the computer and write these things. Because a VA dog and his progeny group will cost each minute you have. |
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| very bad presentation in Karlsruhe. His Progeny was not good to became a V-Auslese-Title. |
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Hi Kennyr,
I have also a litter after Ando. Can I see your pup too ? |
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Hi Kennyr,
WOW !!!
That is one real nice Pups. I must say he looks great.
P.S nice Head |
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Hi Kennyr
How is the Pups drive?
Is he or she picture on the database?
I would love to see the Puppy picture. |
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| I recently bought a Ando son (pup) and I have to say it's the most wonderful pup I,ve ever had.And he is a georgeous pup! |
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Ando he VA4 O.k
I think he is great dog, this dog will be VA1 soon time will tell.
We will be talking about Ando to hower Kid.
Go Go ando Go !
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| Sorry but what is the Long Hair thing with Ando?? Is he so lose going away??? Lets be real who has seen the dog??? |
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I´m worry about his producing - most of the dogs are owned by Mr. Schleuter. All the other dogs from Ando are badly placed on shows. Also why he must run around with longhair and has no other top male from Ando.
Of course this longhair got several times sg1 but no one talked about all the judges who did not accept this male and don´t want to give him even an sg! |
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| thousands have seen this dog? most fanciers only see color, and a blk head. its clear hes a good produceing male , his progeny are like him, rounding in the rear, this makes them all look bunched up. too many have only seen this style of shepherd, now its looked at as correct by too many. wouldn't it be better to see Larus this prepotent. the younger interest could see what a shepherd should look like. |
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Thousands have seen this dog over recent months and years, I have seen him 3 times this year, The facts are simple
THIS DOG IS NOT COW-HOCKED |
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| Lenny, have you personally seen this dog or are you making this statement based on hearsay? |
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| Check out this dog going away. Severely cowhocked. |
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| Thank you Sean and Hal; I hope I'll be able to take Hal's advice and get to Germany and see these wonderful dogs for myself - the real thing, with no photos and comments needed. |
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Hal is correct. I saw this dog at Ulm, I also took photos of him.
His color is excellent and his topline is the same as the photo.
I personally would like to see less rear angulation, but with a HD-ZW in the 60`s and not all of his offsprings has this pronounced angulation and he did good bite work, this is a dog I would use.
The breeder Mr Schleuter seems to have a special touch in caring for his dogs, they are in exceptional condition. |
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I saw this dog in Germany up close and is he beautiful. Beautiful color and very well constructed. Pigment and color this dog has and his puppies also get this from him. Congratulations to the Breeder and owner of this fantastic male. He deserved the VA in 2003. He also has a ZW# 67 not bad when many are in the 90's and up.
To the people that are all worked up about the photos of Ando ---- well he is even more beautiful when you see him.
Perhaps you should go to the Sieger show and see for yourself what these dogs are all about. |
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I saw this dog in Germany up close and is he beautiful. Beautiful color and very well constructed. Pigment and color this dog has and his puppies also get this from him. Congratulations to the Breeder and owner of this fantastic male. He deserved the VA in 2003. He also has a ZW# 67 not bad when many are in the 90's and up.
To the people that are all worked up about the photos of Ando ---- well he is even more beautiful when you see him.
Perhaps you should go to the Sieger show and see for yourself what these dogs are all about. |
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| I beg to differ that it is only the colour that is touch up,backlines are just not that good.I have a very good eye for detail.I have no more to say on the matter. |
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| "it is necessary to say something..." it has already been said once too many times! let it go! the dog looks great anyway, and from what I could tell, the only "touched" thing in the Altenberger Land pictures is the colour. |
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| Yes I think it is necessary to say something about the ever increasing number of 'touched up'photographs being used to advertise dogs from top kennels and breeders.It's fraud!This is a beautiful dog so why does his photographs need to be touched?Give us credit and let us look at the real thing. |
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| Was this really necesary, Bilko? Get over it! |
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| Maybe the Altenberger Land 'artist' can touch up this photo to look like Ando? |
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| Good on you July, sorry about the duplication before. I didn't think the first comment worked. |
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| I tried to change back the picture, but another one is already in queue, so there is somebody there tring to fix this. |
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I agree with the comments about the picture. What an insult to Ando. If a newcomer comes onto Database they will wonder what is the matter with the judges if they could possible award this animal VA. Hopefully the people that have the power to update the pictures will hurry and get the nice picture of Ando back up.
Tut, tut to the person that did this. Hopefully it was an accident. |
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| I agree with the comments about the picture. What an insult to Ando. I would hope that someone puts the correct picture up ASAP just in case a new person comes onto the Database. They will think judging is a joke if an animal like the one they have up as Ando at the moment could possibly be a VA animal. Tut, tut to the person that has done it. Hopefully it was an accident??? |
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| It's totally stupid of someone to deliberately put up a wrong photo of Ando.The number plates are from a state in India. |
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| I don't recognize the number plates ;) |
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| Unbelievable!!! Who did this? And, especially, WHY? |
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| Who put this wrong picture to Ando. Seems like someone is envy. |
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| I could look at his picture all day and never become tired or bored. |
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| Great to see him in the VA. All honour to Mr. Orschler for bringing the Cary v Fiemereck line back. |
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| Very good picture!!! Superb dog!!! |
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| Finnaly a wonderful true picture of Ando. Very impressiv dog. |
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I like very much this unknwon and marvellous dog.
Maybe has extrem backs angulations, but is a dog really good.
I have other better image of that day and Ando seems even better.
I have read something about the use of photoshop but I have other signed photo (from a magazine) and even is darker.
He looks wonderful, watching fast only the photos I said who is this dog???? In my opinion he is the best among the males of Ulm
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| That is a better picture, imho. :) |
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| to Wiehenalle: ,,the only successful son of Cary"? well, successful maybe, but definitely not the only beautiful one - check out the Altemberger Land site, at www.altenberger-land.de and you'll find great sons and daughters of Cary, with such homogeneity and unity you rarely find in a progeny group. |
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| Yes,he´s an alternative male for breeding.because he´s the only succesfull son of cary |
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| I also must say that i like ando, and are very exited for the future, and to see what he can produce. Especially with all of the Ursus and Ulk carrying femails. But i am a little bit concerned about the movement. With all that angulation in the back, that can be a problem. |
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Hello Ando|
you dont worry you must becomes the VA at this year you are too good.
my all best wishes just for you
ok bye |
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| 100% to the point max, Definately true. We only have to wait and watch what happens....He is a very good dog to go without a BIG rateing, but then again all dogs cannot be VA.....right!!? All the best Ando, we are all watching. |
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"Because Mr Meßler doesn't like Mr Schleuter". This sounds like kindergarden. If he was never shown to him you can't say what had happened. Perhaps it is better to search for reasons by the dog.
It is also interesting that the dog was only SG 14 in the 18-24 month class. |
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| Your are right Mr Meßler doesn`t like Mr Schleuter the owner of ando thas the reason why he didn`t show up in 2002 |
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| Because Mr.Messler dont like Ando.if he were shown,he hasn´t became a godd place. |
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| Why was he not at BSZS 2002?! |
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| Ando MUST become VA this year!!! |
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I agree with you Visum, his positive qualities and potential with breeding far outweigh any overangulation talk or worrying about who colored the picture. He is producing fantastic puppies and that is what it's about.
A beautiful dog!! |
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Thankyou, I do understand about the Photoshop. Overangulation can lead upto a lot of problems, I feel a good daughter from him with/without over-angulated hinds (but carrying his genes) would be great to have in ones Kennel as breeding stock...as some dogs are having problems with angulations front and rear!
I observe in the progeney, he is produceing excellent fronts too! for the longest time I had reservations about this now very impressive Dog. power to Ando. |
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| He has and gives overangulated hind, for my taste. He's very well pigmented, but NOTHING like in the picture. But that's common knowledge that all the Altenberger pictures have been photoshoped :) |
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Looks Real good in the picture, also a lot of breeders have used him extensively. In the pictures his progeney look great. How is he doing at the BSZS?
Is he really as dark as he is in the Picture? |
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