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Classified: VA Sired 7 month female
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| Picture by Magicon, fotoshop by csvclub :o) |
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HI,
YOU CAN SEE VIDEOS OF LARUS IN WWW.YOUTUBE.COM SEARCHING LARUS VOM BATU |
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The Breeder of Larus von Batu continues, visit www.vom-hoechstadter-wehr.de for more Details.
Yes, Larus was a great Dog. I saw him Live. |
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| I wish a VA son from larus. |
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| wow i like this dog and the picture. |
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| this dog is very beutifull!!!!!!!!!!!!111 wow |
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| this photo is very good !!! and the dog very beutifull. |
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| do you still have that puppies? |
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| i need the contacts of the owner of this dog |
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| i wish to buy a puppy from the breed |
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| i write a comments with larus batu but there was a mistack i am writing larus prduced very quality puppy not he produced some very bad qualitys puppy one of them orry murrtal |
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| larus batu is a very good dog but he produced some very qualitys puppys one of them orry murrtal |
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Larus had every opportunity to become a top producer but fell along way short.
2002 - VA9 - Too young for a progeny group.
2003 - VA2 - No progeny group.Why?
2004 - VA1 - Group but of poor quality.
2005 - VA1 - Group of better quality but still not up to the standard of a double Seiger.
2006 - No Group.
Yes Larus has produced some very good sons & daughters but compare the producing ability of Larus to Quantum Arminius & you can see he why he's no longer in Germany.Even after 4 or 5 years at stud Quantum was still able to get over 40 studs last year in Germany.
Rod. |
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| And don't foreget his highest rated offsprings in the youth classes, SG2 Yenno and SG2 Yonna Huhnegrab! |
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Larus von Batu is one off the best !!
Look wath he have done.
Yimmy Contra.
Joschy Dänischen Hof.
Pascha vom Zellwaldrand.
Toni degli Achei
Xara vom Agilolfinger
Yilla vom Hühnegrab
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| Larus like his many excellent brothers, uncles, and first cousins has had extensive stud usage. It is not particularly useful to the breed nor profitable to his owner to keep him breeding in Europe. He is of far more value to the Asian breed which has until now had very little access to him and in general has logistical difficulty because of distance and regulations. Unfortunately, Larus is another dog of unquestionable personal merit whose progeny fall a bit short. Contrast with Ursus who produced better than himself with consistency. |
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why this beautiful dog sold to china?
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| MR. DHUNTE RAHE JAOGE.. RU AN SV JUDGE.... U THINK THT SV JUDGES OF GERMANY DONT KNOW ABOUT GSD.. BUT I THINK U DONT KNOW ABT GSD.. SO I SUGGEST U THT U SHOULD NOT GIVE HOPELESS, STUPID COMMENTS ABT GSD.. I THINK UR NOT A GSD BREEDER.. SO KEEP UR COMMENTS WITH U |
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| why he crowned as sieger twice god knows . erich made him sieger and he is out of sv. on which basis he has made sieger twice .we all know he is fantastic son of well deserved double sieger yasko the consistent and top producer but he is not a fantastic father. there are many beautiful dogs having rich colour ,big size ,large no. of progeny but if u r not giving any thing to the breed than why any one can make him double sieger. what he has produced only two males in first 50 dogs (GHKLR), only two females in first 50 bitches(GHKLH) one female is VA but we can't forget the dam the fantastic KARMA ,in young clases also he has produced only with VA or already recognised female . so in my view he is not consistant producer on his own and how can we make him the leader of the breed...... |
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| I have Larus puppies for sale |
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| I think Larus is a nice looking dog I like his offspring but I think he is a little to short. |
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gorgeous boy , among one of my favs..:0)
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| how much will cost me to buy a larus son or for my own dog to breed with hi? |
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I find this dog good and have seen Ursus two years back. This dog resembles a lot to his father. But would have preffered a little more length (my own views).
No doubt he is a champ but his progeny and specially grand sons n daughters are getting good out of him.
Nice dog with excellent points to breed standards.
Good Luck. |
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| I have in person seen Larus September 8th, I got my Kalina vom Laabermoos covered by him, and never seen so good "a total" GSD ! |
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| No other dog can beat Larus in the ring, but his father yasko. His progenese was ok. quanto progenesis had several dogs with poor pigmentation |
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| Will Larus be sold to China or Japan??? |
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Progeny group was very sad. He looked OK when running walking was another story. One female was fantastic the VA bitch but her mother is the fantastic Karma.
There is not a male from him worth looking at.
The Sieger can only be Sieger again if shown.
Thank God it is over and may he have a nice life in China or Japan. |
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| Congratulations one more time from Brazil to Larus his owner and breeder to be for the second year consecutive VA 1 !!! |
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| Congrtulations to Larus for yet another year of reigning supreme with his fantastic progenies. Excellent work Larus, keep it going. |
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There are many comments about a dogs production when they first show what they are producing. You never hear the good ones. From sieger to sieger there is always the question what has he produced? It's always like this.
To go beyond the drift of the internet. Just look at some results and draw your own conclusions.
Under Mr. Scheerer, seven of the first 50 dogs at the sieger show in the JHKR were from Larus.
Under Mr. Zygato in the JHKH, five of the first 50 were from Larus.
That's better than 10% of the top group from Larus. Larus is not perfect, what he produces is not perfect. No dog is. For many he is an interesting male. He is the only sieger that has a sieger for a father and a grandfather.
In the US his offspring did well at our sieger shows. At our USA sieger show, three of the four youth siegers/siegerins were from Larus. At our WDA sieger Show, one of the 4 were.
Many throw out politics. There's obviously the appearance to many since Larus is sieger by his breeder. Remember it was not his breeder that put him SG1, 2001 or in the VA group. 2002.
As with all dogs, breed to them if you think it's a good male for your female. |
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what is the general opinion about larus progeny lot of people dont seem very happy what they should expect from a seiger 04. but out of the line up of this year whos progeny is more promisin to look out for.
please mention names of the dogs and reasons for your thought.
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Jack the Ripper,
you are right in 100%. And the same is fact by many other highrated males and females |
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| Larus impressed me very much when he was young (1 and 2 years old), like Bax. On last two sigershows he was presented in bad hair condition and everynone could see that he wasn't so perfect. I look forward but I think Ghandi (also not pefect) did more for this this bloodline. You can see his "french" front. Mamy dogs are punished by SV judges for this but when it concerns their best dogs they get blind. Look at pictures: http://www.arkonapark.hg.pl/karlsruhe_galeria.htm hmm ... look at the last fotos. It wasn't surprice that he get VA1 in Karlsruhe. Overybody knew it 12 months before. The Trophy with name of the siger was ready before the show :). |
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Going on to a different topic .
If Larus was to be sold off now how much do you think tghat he wud be worth.
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A beautiful dog but I was dissapointed he seemed to lack the extra "Bling" thing
that some of those behind him had...
Yasko vom Farbienspiel still had a very convincing progeny group, time will tell,
Larus has not in all fairness had as many
matings as Ursus and Yasko..... |
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| IMO no outstanding progeny from Larus at Karlsruhe - I was not impressed with his progeny group. |
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| If we want to include females; lets not forget SG3 Xara who is already titled in the 18 to 24 class, SG16 Fendi, SG20 Quennja (already mentioned) and SG21Yasmin, SG36 Henni. |
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| Quennija von der Urbecke daugter of Larus SG 20 |
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| Quill Urbecke son of Larus Batu SG 38 |
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As you know it takes a lot including a good dog to make sieger, Showing, prodgeny, pedigree, judges overall opinion, Ring performance the day of the show, bitework, etc.
There certainly are many excellent dogs in the VA group and V group this year, the world will never agree 100% on which dog should be sieger. Breeders can either accept the dog and the judges decision or go with any dog of their choosing in hopes that their decision to support a dog will enhance it's chances to become sieger.
Right now it's hard to deny the success that comes from the Ursus line. There is diversity too. The line has produced not only excellent dogs but a variety of types. The Ursus type, the Yasko type, Larus type, Ghandi type.
The world is lookng for the dog to replace him. There is a good chance the dog is already born.
From the top group this year there are 4 dogs in the position to do well:
SG12 Richy
SG13 Pascha
SG24 Ronaldo
SG30 Scott
Check them out and see if there are any there with VA potential.
There are many that are in the top 20 that do not progress into the working class. A few that come from outside the top 10 to make their mark like Neptun. We will know in a few years if any of these dogs were able to make it into the VA group. There is still a long road ahead of these dogs. |
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With all due respect to Larus lovers. what is so exceptional about him? what makes him the sieger? Just a big kennel name? what is the contribution of larus for the breed..Can any one name one exxceptionaly good dog out of his progeny cpabale to be a VA..
look at Orbit vom tronje,Quantum von arminius,Fritz vom farbenspiel, they have produced much better than this blue eyed boy of judge & breeder.
Latus hasn;t yet been able to produce like his father...... & may he will not, GSD world is full of better DOGS than larus. |
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| CONGRATULATIONS FROM INDIA TO ALL ASSOCIATED WITH LARUS. |
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| Congratulations from Brazil to Larus von Batu and his owners for the VA 1 title on Sieger 2004. |
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| Congratulations to Larus for making VA1 Sieger for this year ( 2004) |
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GOOD LUCK TO LARUS AND YOUR OWNERS!!
WE ARE CHEERING THAT YOU ARE THE 2004 GERMAN SIEGER! OORAH!! |
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| I think he ment that over 70 dogs are registed for the show. |
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| Baxi,that is very optimistic. :) |
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| There is a very good litter out of Larus in Hungary: the Y-litter from van Contra kennel. 5 brother, sister will shown in Kalsruhe: Yimmy, Yasmin, Yuppi, Yumbo, Yasper. All dogs are high rated in Germany, in Austria and in Hungary. More than 70 dogs will run in the Larus progeny group this year. |
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| Congrats to Larus! VA1 Austria past weekend. |
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Larus daughter - Eischa v. d. kleinen Birke
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/401000.html |
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Irregardless of what people have to say about Larus, he still gives me goose bumps when I look at his picture. I hear that he's so much more striking in person. I hope his progeny group is very convincing to propel him to 2004 German Sieger.
Go Larus! |
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Hello Ice (Dietmar) I know that Quill von der Urbecke (m) & Quennja von der Urbecke (f) & Ferrari von Wilhendorf (f) & Carin vom Wildsteiger Landhaus f) % Greta von der Freiheit Westerholt (f) & Pancho von der Rangauhohe (m) Richy vom Westervenn (m) & Racker vom Westervenn (m) & Quattrogardens Bine (f) Pascha vom Zellwaldrand (m) & Hanni von dem Waldgraben (f) and certainly two of his best sons, in my opinion, Scott vom Emkendorfer Park (m) & Ronaldo vom Zellergrund (m)(look out for this one)
are all doing very well in the show ring this year, and several others are being placed fairly high in their clases. It is obvious LARUS will have a progeny group at this years Sieger Show.
I, and I am sure many others, will be studying them very closely. We will be looking for some outstanding dogs, male & female, and also looking for depth of quality in the progeny group.
I certainly want LARUS to be a 'PRODUCER' - he has much to offer, but please remember NOT every dog with much to offer, actually gives it to his offspring. |
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Relax David or I pay not a beer for us again.Ha,ha.
Dietmar |
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| There are a few offspring from Larus doing well at the shows in Germany. The results do not indicate the quailty of the class. It will be interesting to see how they place in the end. |
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Ice, are you making this personal?
My comment is about the male you pointed out.
You may view my kennel on www.videxgsd.com
You may also read my IMPRESSIONS 2003 SIEGER,
You may also read about me.
Now you can provide information about yourself.
Heather, I fully understand what you mean, there appears to have developed over the last year or so an inevitability about it.
This is why I want to raise the criteria for a Sieger to the forefront. I have always said: there are many more Judges on the outside of a GSD Show Ring, than on the inside, and ALL of those international Judges can watch, observe and judge all of the aspects, including conformation, movement, pedigree, progeny, and the other competitors.
David Payne |
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| Solo, I fully agree with your comments on the requirements of a Sieger, re a number of points. However, my prediction of Larus being Sieger was not on what I thought should be the VA group but was based on what i thought would be the VA group and unfortunately there is a difference as you know. The progeny group of Larus will be there for us all to see and I'm sure we will make up our own minds on the day if he deserves the title or not, but I am fairly certain he will attain it regardless. You never know we may all be pleasantly surprised by the group, we will see |
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| Do you have a better one???? If yes show me |
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http://www.urbecke.com/gallery-male/gallery.htm
Son of Larus Batu |
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I am very surprised so many talk about LARUS becoming the 2004 SIEGER, surely his being bred by the Judge has NOT influenced their opinion.
A Sieger must fulfill many requirements, including a clear indication of his ability to produce excellent PROGENY. I may have missed some, but I have NOT seen any outstanding progeny from LARUS. I have seen mainly mediocre to average quality of progeny from him so far. I approach the 2004 Sieger Show with an open mind, but I will pay considerable attention to the PROGENY from LARUS, and will look to its depth of quality, as well as some outstanding individuals, that one should expect from a potential SIEGER.
If, as I have heard said, LARUS may become SIEGER because of his conformation and type, I would emphatically state, that in my opinion there are several males better than LARUS in this aspect, namely ZAMP, ANDO, PAKROS, to name a few.
I look forward to the Sieger Show, and I will report my opinion regarding the Show, including the choice of Sieger in my much read articles SIEGER IMPRESSIONS.
David Payne
www.videxgsd.com
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| See Spago Vom Haus Kuruc. Very nice Larus son. Developing very nice. |
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I can keep looking at this picture all day!!!
Is he really this beautiful?? |
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| There is two excellent Larus son in Hungary: Pancho Rangahöhe and Quax Daenischen Hof. Both of them are faboulos but Quax is a little bit agressive with other dogs 8-) |
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I have seen 3 puppies of Larus from this year and they were all outstanding...
very much like sire in type and color,
2M, 1F... clones!
Anyone else...? |
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This is the best male i have ever seen!!!
Congratulations to the owner! |
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Please! Can you people stop! Your comments are not appropriate on the great dog's narrative. Your comments have nothing to do with
"Have you used this dam/sire? How are its progeny doing in real life? Your experience with temperament, work ability, etc..
Let other breeders know and read about your experience with this dog".
Move it over to the messageboard or better yet, talk privately! |
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Brits, add-on : That's Afg*h*ani and Northern Alliance. WE wouldn't want you getting confused now would we?
You know Brits, I bet there are A+ students where you supposedly go to school. At 20 I sure hope you're not talking high school? What's their secret? I think if people can get A's at the same school someone complains because they can't that it must not be the schools fault.
Dontcha see the pattern? |
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>>>Wolf, LOL I sure feel the pressure, or wait?!?! Do I? well at lest you're not an American so it doesn't tell us Americans that we have the biggest attitude problem. I had enough of you so feel free to post but as of I who is alot mature will not even reply to you as your not worth my time.<<<
Attitude, maybe. But we can sure see who has an IQ problem. As for time, you sure seem to have a lot of it - maybe you should spend more of it reading and learning, rather than flapping your mouth at everyone. Mature? You can not speak of maturity, my dear, in the same thread where you've threatened to "bash the hell outta" people. Give me a break. |
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Brittany - 1st off you can blame democrat MacKay for your failure to master the English language, since those were your formative years for reading and writing. 2nd - It's hilarious the way you do 'selective' bad grammer. Quite the ruse..lol. 3rd - If you are referring to U.S. funding the Northern Coalition in the Russian/Afgani war. Please show me where anyone in the U.S. government dealt with bin Laden directly. bin Laden was merely a soldier in that coalition, nothing more and the media has twisted that one so bad that it makes those of us who know laugh. What do you think about Clinton letting bin Laden go in '96 because it was election time and he didn't want to bog down his campaign with possible conflict with al qaeda? Remember that? This is probably the first time you ever heard it. Those of us that know what led up to 9-11 are madder than hell about it. But, you are young and haven't a clue. You can hardly be blamed for not checking out sources. You'll learn in time to do that.
On last thing, another message board talks about you. About how you made alias to talk with yourself, among other unpleasantries you seem to have done to them. I'm keeping an eye on you.
Have a nice day |
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| Wolf, LOL I sure feel the pressure, or wait?!?! Do I? well at lest you're not an American so it doesn't tell us Americans that we have the biggest attitude problem. I had enough of you so feel free to post but as of I who is alot mature will not even reply to you as your not worth my time. Carly, Yes Money is everything... especially for education and NOT FOR WARS. Do you know how much are American teachers are getting each year? NOT enough. The war money ( the whole 85Billion dollars) should go to the teachers who helps to bring in the future. Sorry if your a warmonger like your Ole Bush is but Hey! Wasn't Bin laden in the CIA? Also Saddam was given a master key to Detroit! Dontcha see the pattern? |
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| There are always exceptions to the rule. breeding is NOT an exact science. Producing bloodlines are always very important in any breeding programme. A Sucessful kennel can be an indication of a sucessful breeder, it can also indicate the Kennel has excellent opportunity to assist in the recognition of its stock and its promotion and in the case of males, their use as Stud Dogs. Obviously there are many aspects to achieving 'producing bloodlines' |
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As with any stud dog the actual confirmation of that dog serves only as a statistical predictor of what he may produce and is only of limited value.
History has proven countless times that a stud dog with only fair to good front angulation, layback and posturnum, can occasionally produce excellent fronts when bred to a bitch of similar confirmation. Also possible is a mediocre result when the same stud dog is bred to a bitch with an excellent or outstanding front. Also possible (and frequently the result)is for a stud dog and bitch with excellent fronts to produce most progeny with mediocre fronts.
The obvious conclusion is this: it matters most what each animal can produce when bred together in combination with certain lines which breeders have learned are productive matchups. It matters what each animal is known to produce when bred to animals of certain lines. And of course there are always exceptions. We all know of cases where a certain breeding produced a top confirmation animal and when the breeding was repeated multiple times it produced nothing of merit confirmation-wise.
Knowledge of what produces what is the essential information often known to seasoned breeders, judges and breed wardens and is gained only from many years experience. A good breed warden is literally worth his weight in gold. Batu kennels is a top kennel. Why? Not because of chance but because its very experienced owner/breeder/judge has extremely valuable knowledge in his head and knows how to use it productively to get a top animal. Occasionally a great producer is an animal which only has good confirmation and not great confirmation. I have found this is escpecially true of bitches. When attempting to acquire a bitch to breed, acquiring that bitch from lines with a poor producing record overall is almost always inferior to acquiring a bitch with fair to good confirmation from the very top producing lines. |
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A friend of mine went to the Seiger show and fell in love with Larus.
He is a good looking Shepherd! |
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Hi
I agree what you say in many thing's, only which a dog or humans is perfect.???? Not each....!!!!!!
Two equivalent dogs (the mating) VA 1 male and VA 1 female,the resulted in is not the perfect dog.
What your judgement is ,as judge,has not to be the judgement of a other one ( judge). You know that like me too.
Everyone should be honest,is that what I have better yes or no....
Has my female a (short croup,short upperarm)?????
If no take the dog (stud male)your choice.
Whereby into after the judgement of the judge comes.Good or bad, (short croup yes or no,short upperarm yes or no....)
And with much luck was the result super
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Hello ice (Dietmar) my very old friend. You know me very well, and accept I have no envy, thank you.
Back to Larus, I really believe taht Larus must produce, and I really do look forward to seeing his progeny next year at Karlsruhe. Many more GSD enthusiasts around the world, are looking forward to seeing them. A somewhat steep upper arm, and a short croup, are not bad faults, but they are faults which are obvious, and breeders need to be aware of. Can you imagine a breeder in the USA sending a female to Larus, to improve the croups in the litter. or to improve the front angulations. We must be honest about excellent qualities, and obvious faults, something which is not always the case with our TOP VA males. I remember seeing an article in a DOG Weekly Newspaper, when Quando Arminius was made Sieger, it read: Quando is Crowned Sieger - THE PERFECT GERMAN SHEPHERD.
There are many people around the World who think just the same, they think if a dog makes Sieger oe attains VA, then it must be PERFECT.
We must ensure they know the truth about the SELECTION OF A SIEGER, AND THE VA's, and of their many plus points, and their few minus points. I would like to use Larus on one of my females during the next year, for his many plus points. |
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Aha, aha,
Solo is David, the old friend of mine.You know, who I'm also.
It was not envy from you. that's right.
But you know, like me, the pup of Larus are very young. Many thing's what you did say about him are true. Which a dog has it earned VA 2 ?????? What do you think ????
The the upperarm and croup is not everything.A good transmission likewise.
Dietmar |
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Oh, gee, I AM the same age as Brittany. Sure makes me look good, doesn't it. At least i'm not American, so I feel no pressure to get into that particular line of conversation.
I'm not going to go through this again, but Brittany, honestly - while you're out learning spelling and grammar, try and learn the difference between "bashing", criticism, and opinion.
David said he liked the dog. You don't even have to read between the lines to spot that one. His entire point was overlooked. I understood what he said completely, and I agree, for what it's worth.
Hopefully, this will get back on track sometime soon. |
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WEll Brittany, Money IS always more important than lives isn't it. I mean that's what you're saying right? Let's add it up, Saddam =<1 million,, Clinton >3,000. And if we had coughed up some cash before and done something maybe those numbers would be a lot better. But then again,, ALL that money you're so worried about. You're so right, LIves aren't worth the money. Think before you strike Kid
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| Oh let me fix up my Error... Did i say 85Million dollars? Lets try 85 BILLION dollars. If you don't like education but love war then go ahead and vote for this loser for sec term :) |
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Kerry,
My youth? Well im 20 now and yes i might not have the best spelling and grammar in the world but you don't have to rub it in me! OH! and Jeb Bu$h is the govener in my state so if my spelling/grammar is bothing you to go right ahead and complain to him about the lack of education! I will even tell you my school name. This includes George Bu$h for wasting a whole 85Million dollars into reparing the Iraq country, which that money could of went to people like me who wants to get a better education.
Schaeferhund, your right :)
Ice, I gotta love you! All theses people whos bashing Larus are ashame that they don't have a dog like Larus! Thats why they will never show their faces and dogs in germany in the sieger show because the germans will point and laugh! |
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Would it be too much to ask ice and Double B, and anyone else who has difficulty reading the written word, to just read my first line again,
"VA2 at the 2003 Sieger Show, Larus von Batu, a superb male with excellent colour, his father’s type," can you please read what is says - slowly. and just in case you are struggling, here it is again:
"VA2 at the 2003 Sieger Show, Larus von Batu, a superb male with excellent colour, his father’s type,"
Is it too much to hope that those words are understood? Then you can read the rest, but please try, really try, and remember my first line, It does NOT disappear. It is written. |
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| I understand both sides, I like Larus very much when he became youth siger, but in his 2 years working class he didn`t impressed me that much. |
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ice, you really should engage your brain when you write. I do not know what envy feels like. I know I have an honest opinion about Larus, I also know you do not fully understand my comment. Feel free to visit http://www.videxgsd.com - maybe you will learn something, even a little will be more than you apparently know at present.
Oh! I would also be obliged if you would provide your identity and web-site. We could ALL then compare. I will not hold my breath.
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Solo,
you seems to be enviously about Larus is that right????
Show me the dog what you have in your kennel |
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| VA2 at the 2003 Sieger Show, Larus von Batu, a superb male with excellent colour, his father’s type, including his somewhat steep upper-arm, and short croup. I was very disappointed he did not present a progeny group, and like many others, I find it unacceptable for a male to be graded VA without a progeny group, and for a male to achieve Vice-Sieger without a progeny group, really is too much, this also happened last year with Untox vom Ducati, this Judging practice at the Worlds premier breed show should be closely examined within the SV. |
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wow odin uve become a judge.......Keep up da good work!!!.....uve started sounding intelligent after all;)!!!
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Medium sized dog,expressive, good pigmentation with good forequarter angulation the length of upperarm should have been a longer, good overline and underline but there is shortness in the croup and also slightly steep in that section . As far as the progeny is concerned there are restrictions in the croup aspects and some pups have a tendency to have a short back.The progeny so far is not that impressive , he has to come up with really good progenies to hit for the top.
This is what I found seeing the pictures so far.
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No, Larus is a good dog. And I'm not Herr Martin to influence the breed this huge way (at least, not yet ;) ) But when I now choose males for my females, the last thing I go by is their placings. I do see all the dogs in person quite a lot (the advantage of being in germany :)) and know their strenghs and weaknesses and I see them bite, and then I choose. From what I've seen from Larus I will not use him on any of the females I have now. As simple as that. Thank God we can chose from a variety of absolutely fabulous dogs from the VAs AND the few dozens other top dogs of BSZS.
And about jealousy. I know there are a few people that go around giving out about every top dog in the ring. But most people just do have their preferences. If I'm not jealous of Bax, why should I be jealous of Larus? :)
I also wonder why people act so hurt when you point out a weakness in a top dog. We all know he's got a steep arm and short croup, why are we not allowed to say it out loud? What is it? Cult of personality, communism? Come on, lighten up... No one is going to take his VA2 from him ;) |
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| I think Mr.Schaferhund didn't get my point.I was a novise when the judge corrected my approach and I accepted that it was an eye-opener and at the moment I have 2 Champion GSD males and some more champions in other breeds also.We're all talking big here as if after the Martins the resposibility to develop the GSD is on us,when most of us will never even have the good fortune to see a dog of Larus's calibre live,leave aside owning or breeding one.A dog rated SG1 and then VA twice by the SV president must have more plus points than minus.We can shout from the roof top that he's a bad dog(as we're jealous that we will never be able to have a dog like him),but does it really matter? |
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"Poor Larus, if he only knew!"
He wouldn't care less. It's the good thing about the dogs, they don't give a damn how they look and who thinks what of them, as long as they're petted, fed and played with. :)) |
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"Ooookay, let's see if I can go through this point by point."
Nice job, Wolf, and a very kind approach.
Poor Larus, if he only knew! |
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| Brittany, I'll say this as politely as I can. Your youth and innocence cannot be defended if you keep posting 8th Grade caliber nonsense like this. We can't grow you up, you'll have to do it yourself, but your postings lack maturity. If you want to be ignored, keep it up. |
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| Hey folks - Try and know a con when you see one. nUff SaiD |
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Only fool sees a dog as perfect too though. As it's been said before, if you don't see the weeknesses you can't complement, balance and improve.
I think seeing your own dog as perfect and finding flaws in everybody else is a totally different story, I guess the judge was beeing polite trying to say something else ;) |
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| Some years back when I started showing and thought that I've the best dog and others have crap and was finding faults in every dog.A respected judge told me "even fools can find faults in a dog because that's much easier than finding the plus points".It was an eye-opener.I've seen Larus from SG1 to this position and think he's a top dog and if he produces the way he looks he can easily be the numero uno next year. |
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Ooookay, let's see if I can go through this point by point.
First, I do have respect for newcomers. I'm not exactly an oldy myself here - barely older than you, actually. Second - yes, perhaps it is a bit immature. But really, compared to most of what you've said in this thread alone, it's mild. Third...pointing out a dog's faults is not bashing. Sometimes comments are spawned by jealousy, yes, but mostly they are just honest opinions. Where am I now...forthly? Alright - yes, Larus was vize-sieger. Yes, he's a good dog. But even a good dog has their faults, and there is nothing wrong with discussing them maturely and openly.
Fifth...education. I've watched people attempt to educate you on several occasions with various degrees of success. Usually, not much, as good advice born of experience is usually met with the "someone told me this so it must be true" approach. Nuh-uh, doesn't work that way. And...sixth. My resume is hardly impressive enough to impress someone like you, sorely lacking as it is in experience. Knowledge, yes, but experience? Not quite yet. But i've worked hard for that knowledge for years now, and the most important component of that learning was talking and listening to people who really do know what they're talking about. I listen, I learn, I take my time. I haven't bred a thing and it'll be a long time before that day comes. The difference between you and me is that I am willing to wait for my opportunites to come along, and learn as much as I can along the way, instead of forcing my uneducated opinions on everyone else, who would sit there shaking their heads at me as everyone does to you now. That's why you need to heed the advice you're given, even if it's from me - resume not withstanding.
Gee, I think that covered everything. |
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| Wolf, by the way... Besides shaking your head at my posts.. why not give me an email K9Wolfz@hotmail.com and try educating me a bit? By not saying anything.. how am i suppose to learn? I certainly cant learn with people saying that my posts are ridclous... PS send me your resume (Including all of the dogs that you own and titled and gave conformation titles too) as I would like to be educated by an experienced conformation/Sch trainer. Hope to hear from you soon :) |
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| Wolf, try having alittle bit respect to new comers. By coming here and telling that their post is ridiculous sounds immature, don't ya think? Were all adults here so lets "ACT" like one. I think most people who's bashing on this dog is jealous because they don't have a dog like Larus, nor can afford it either. According to the results for this years Bundessigerzuchtschau Results that hes 2nd place in the VA category So he couldn't be that horrible :) |
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| Brittany you're incompetent. I don't know how many times i've sat here shaking my head at your postings. If you cannot recognize a dogs faults how will you ever correct them? No dog is perfect, and openly admitting a dogs faults is the only way to share information and help newcomers (like you) learn to NOT be kennel blind, but to recognize strengths *and* weaknesses. Your post is ridiculous. If you want to be taken seriously you need to grow up and start listening to more experienced people. |
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