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Classified: Excellent Esko´s granddaughter FOR SALE
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| One of the best producers for sure! |
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I have a Bax thaughter ,she is Spitzen Vorzuglich ! Bax was a VERY VA
DOG! |
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| does anyone know if this dog is up for stud, looking at his welp date he might be to old now? |
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| agree with natalia she is saying the thru this dog is so much big i dont think the VA dog are like this big of dog this dog is beutiful but not for VA ,sorry i think this dog is not VA . |
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| i want to know the contact of the owner of this dog |
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my faverate dog in VA. nice dog with very good construction.
greetings to him.
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| at stud 19/04/00 - in the prevoius message, should read 19/04/01 |
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I can understand to a very small degree, the comments from Nathalie, "I personall don't like Bax" - from someone who used Ghandi, this comes as no surprise.Her comments on Bax progeny, should rule her out of this debate automatically.
As for the comments from Chad, or should I say John Ward,
I brought the 80 year old to highlight the issue of the 'quote' "too much dog" - an accurate comment from him, and my response.
WE COULD ALL NAME MANY OTHER "TOO MUCH DOG" DOGS, THAT MATCH OR EXCEED BAX.
and we could name the small dogs "BITCHES WITH BALLS"
NOBODY has to wait until this years Sieger Show to study the Producing ability of Bax.
Let's look at FACTS.
Bax was born 19/04/99, at stud 19/04/00, two months gestation time, FIRST POSSIBLE LITTER = 19/06/01
TWO AND A HALF MONTHS OF STUDS - 11 WEEKS, WHOSE PUPPIES WOULD BE ELEGIBLE FOR THE SIEGER SHOW 2002 -
2002 PROGENY RESULTS (FIRST 30 IN A CLASS ONLY)
SG4 STENLEY - PAGE 258 (FOTO URMA BOOK)
SG6 VOODOO - 260
SG6 JESSI - 316
ONE YEAR LATER:
SIEGER SHOW 2003
SG3 OPRAH - 321
V16 JESSI - 104
SG1 TARA - 319
SG27 NOBLESS - 333
SG6 ISA - 202
SG1 OLIVER - 257
SG14 KELLY - 328
SG17 ZORA - 329
SG19 UNO - 154
SG5 PAKROS - 261
IF YOU OWNED A MALE THAT ACHEIVED THESE PROGENY RESULTS - YOU WOULD CERTAINLY CALL HIM A TOP PRODUCER.
and just in case we get the "old chestnut" "HE MATED ALL THE BEST FEMALES"
ASK YOURSELF THIS QUESTION
WHERE ARE THE 'LARUS VON BATU' PROGENY
Do the same exercise with LARUS, and other VA dogs, as I have done here.
check their date of birth, first stud, first possible progeny at a Sieger Show, and then the next sieger show.
By the way Esko Danischenhof has an excellent record.
In other words "DO SOME RESEARCH" DO NOT WAFFLE - USE INDISPUTABLE FACTS TO MAKE YOUR CASE -
OR MAKE SURE YOU CLEARLY STRESS "IT IS YOUR PERSONAL OPINION"
and as such, allow the reader to assess your opinion with detailed information about yourself. THEN AND ONLY THEN, WILL YOUR COMMENTS HAVE SOME VALUE.
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| Back to Bax :) - it's all a matter of taste. I personally don't like Bax. I also think that he is "too much of a dog" - too big, too stretched, producing a lot of oversized stretched animals, amazingly some of them with poor bones (not smth you would expect from such a male).. I saw his progeny group at BSZS and to me it looked awkward - far not so unique one would expect from a Sieger. Frankly, I thought that after such a group Orschler would not give him the 1st place in spite of all his love for the dog. But, he gave it a more or less nice description.. OK, it's up for the breeders to decide weather to use him or not. I prefer a different type of a dog, so I will never use Bax as a stud no matter how high judges put him |
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| Glad my comments have started a discussion,and yes bax is too much dog and i have seen him in the flesh along some of the siegers and va dogs for the last 25 years indeed having owned some sons and daughters from these dogs.The ideal was always to have a working dog capable of anything asked of him cheap to feed and maintain.You really can not say it applies to most modern day shepherds,and mr solo you are correct their are bigger and heavier animals than bax.Lets hope the sv return to earlier values and the comment about the old breeder and judge that you made was unjust ,its obvious you could do with more manners and perhaps more education on the breed |
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| It´s not only the Males that produced, also the Females!!! If you have a big,strong Female, and a small or medium-Size Male, then can get also Big and Strong Dogs. Or you can get medium-size Dogs, if you have Big and strong parents. It gives enough Big and strong Male, they can´t produced Big Males/Females. |
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Totally agree with Mr.Solo.It's a fashion now-a-days to discuss negatively about top dogs.What does Mr./Ms.Phoenix mean by "too much of a dog".Is it a fault if a dog is having a masculine head and heavy bones which is balanced with his overall type??
Also we should consider the breeding value of a male.Can a very medium sire produce good males?
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Like many I have seen Bax at the Sieger Show, winning Youth Sieger title, and VA status, and Sieger title. I have also used him and had a litter from him. You see a dog 'really close' up when you mate a bitch.
I get tired of these 'repeated' comments "too much dog" - get tired of it because IT IS SIMPLY UNTRUE.
I can name some dogs, with bigger and stronger heads, and many dogs bigger in size, and stronger in bone.
"TOO MUCH DOG" DOES NOT APPLY TO BAX.
I strongly urge those who have seen him and said it, to visit an optician and reduce the magnifying effect of your eyes or your current spectacles, and to those who have not seen BAX 'in the flesh, close up, I suggest you see him, compare him, and stop repeating rubbish. I have heard this criticism from a so called leading GSD authority in the UK.
He is around 80 years old, and in my opinion he said it to 'be noticed'.
Just knock the Sieger, and people stand up and listen, PATHETIC ISN'T IT?
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i really hope bax is not to become the german ideal,too much dog for the breed standard.Great angles and flashly colour is all very nice BUT breed type and natural workabilty is the order of the day,We need to return to a middle size,middle weight dog who is slightly longer than high,with strong character and dark pigment angles etc can be bred in when required but type and proportions are paramount,how many modern day breeders know what shepherd type is because i dont see that dog being bred,pity the breed suffers
from a sad long time breeder |
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this photo is very old.It´s from Siegershow 2000.
Someone has change the new Photo.It was much better than this.
I think someone have the newer one and can change it.
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| I would like to see a better picture of Bax. Or if it's possible several pictures. |
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| In answer to dyyq (why is Bax Sieger)have you not seen my information on show positions and hip staus?? Have you seen Bax in the flesh?? After you have answered my questions would you please enlighten me who you would have as the Sieger 2003, and at the same time let me know the faults in his construction?? all the top males have faults,some to a lesser or more degree than others but please let me know your particular findings on Bax. |
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| Glad to see Bax had a great show. My dog Dallas vom Steffen Haus is in Germany for his SchH training. He is Bax's son. Maybe he can be one that helps carry the line. I will certainly do what I can to help him be a great dog also. He can be found on this site. 94-79-87 for his SchH1 scores. |
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BAX IS A BIG AND STRONG DOG.
I HAVE SEEN HIM AT KARLSRUHE 02 |
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Question.
Bax is a medium or big dog?
I say this because i don't know.
Thank for your anwser. |
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| Bax buddy I am proud of you as your Grand parent .I congratulate you on behalf of quando Arminius that you today have made our team go for to its height, we are proud of you. Keep it up dear. |
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| Is it is correct that "Richard Yü" the owner of Bax is in last years and not "Manser or Hoffmann" ? |
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we wer at the belgien sieger show and saw
the best bax son that i have ever seen.
His name is Oliver v Laacher-Haus he had everyting you wich in a young male.I think he is going to be a contender to the sigertitel this year in 12-18mon male
Good luck to breeder and owner |
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Bax von der Luisenstraße is located in Wiesloch near Heidelberg/Germany.
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| What kennel is he located at? Do they have a web address? |
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| I have a 5 month old son from him. He is in training for search and rescue. The genetics have produced a trailing dog that at 5 momths is doing what many dogs are attempting at 1 year. His 8th track was 200 yards long from a scent article, across moderate terrain (we are in the mountains), he determined the direction of the trail that was not aged much. Wow I am lucky, anyone else here do SAR? |
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| Odin also had a problem with his pasterns!I have a film of Odin and Rickor at a small show in Germany before they were 2yrs of age.Odin was weak in his pasterns and Rickors were too straight. |
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For me the best Odin-son i´ve ever seen.
He´s a very good producer.
Look at his offspring on the BSZS this year |
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Pasterns are an exact match for the standard picture this site uses if you want to compare. Look out for shadows fooling you into seeing less than is there. You can see some of the pastern is in the shadow of the leg. Looks perfect to me, to each his own though.
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| What a nice dog. Do his pasterns look a bit weak in the new photo? Perhaps not. Good luck to him nonetheless. |
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| Great contender for va1 this year at ULM. His offsprings look very good especially the bitches. Karlo lachenerweg, this one puppy dog stands out. |
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| I said it before and I'll say it again, Wow! Wienerau comes shining threw. I have a male with 2 direct and 1 uncle line the same as Bax. I'm partial to this genetic mix maybe, but you can't deny it works! |
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| The new picture of Bax really shows how well he has developed and matured. His progeny also looks very good and I hope they have much success in the future to perpetuate this bloodline. |
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| I hope this male is fully recognised for his outstanding conformation, movement, and producing ability, along with his valuable breeding, at the Sieger Show 2003. A worthy Sieger in every sense. |
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| Bax became the 2003 World Sieger 2 weeks ago at the World Dog Show in Dortmund. I also expect him to go VA1 and get this year's German Sieger Title !!! |
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