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2010 national events (54 replies)
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Were the host clubs for next year's nationals events voted on? If yes, which got picked? |
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| Which country would that be then |
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ann arbor mi. area 5000 seat football stadium alfalfa tracking proturf field surface.obd. 10to3 protection under the lites6to9.all competitors can start practice at stadium sunday before event.what does everbody think.
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1st wk nov keep your fingers crossed
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Brent,
That sounds great, except for the protection work at night under the lights, in November, in Ann Arbor, Mich.
That sounds like a lot of people getting very cold in the stands.
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temp chng from 2pmtill 7pm 15 degrees.timme to try something new to bring people out to watch.protection at nationals
under the lights was awesome dont be a hater
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| As I understand it, the only bid for the 2010 Nationals submitted to the National Events Committee was from a club in the Philadelphia area. Philly or Ann Arbor, either way a cold one. :-)
Brent, if your club has not yet submitted a bid, it needs to go to Martin Vollrath asap. |
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My Female works better in the cold, and I,m a fat guy who sweats less the colder it is. If the nationals are close next year My goal is to be in them with my female Fiest and be 100 pounds lighter.(me not Fiest)
Go Ann Arbor...
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I don't know about Ann Arbor (sounds chilly to me in Nov) but I'm in the Phily area, and it's t-shirt weather right now here - in the 60's all week. It really doesn't get "very cold" until January here - February is the coldest month. We often have 60 degree days through December.
molly |
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bob, if you figure out a way to drop 100 lbs in a year, pleeeease clue me in! my goal for the next year is to lose weight, be fitter and hopefully my new pup will be my inspiration. best of luck to ya.
pjp |
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Well I,m 583 right now or was at the first of November, If I can sustane a average weight loss of 8.5 a month I can meet my goal That way I can look svelt if i make the Nationals next year. Or svelter?. I,ve been reading a book and basically if it doesnt grow from the ground or eat something else you should not eat it.
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A,2 Mi. area submitting bid this coming monday.all grass and alfalfa tracking.120 hotel rooms reseryed full size practice field , and tracking practice fields 20 mins. from trial grounds.stadium,tracking and hotels all withen 5mile radius.football stadium field turf ,lights, lots of parking.we will open stadium for practice sunday before trial 8-3 sun.thru thursday.awesome oppritunity to showcase the sport we love.hope for everyones support.
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| Brent,
Sounds great! Where in Michigan? Nearest airport (Detroit?) and does it take the 500 crates (for competitors bringing dogs)? Any festivals going on at the time? Special points of interest? (Lots of folks checked out the haunted Winchester house when the nats were in San Jose :-) ) |
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| If Ann Arbor, Mich. is chosen you will have 2 airports to choose from. Detroit Metro or Toledo Express Airport. Ann Arbor is about the same distance from Detroit as it is too Toledo. They both will take the 500 crate. I personally didn't know any airports didn't. I guess it would come down to which ticket costs less and which was a continues flight? |
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Here's a thought. How about only people who realistically expect to be competing endorsing the venue? I don't really care what people who plan to sit bundled in the stands think.
As for me, Ann Arbor in Nov, not good.
Alfalfa, particularly in Nov. not good. (V'd one & only time we tracked in alfalfa, but that was in September. Most of us do not have access to alfalfa fields for training.)
Protection under lights, not good. I don't know how many people have access to a lighted football stadium for training, but I don't.
Practice starting Sunday, mixed feelings. It gives an advantage to competitors who can take the whole week and afford the extra hotel expense. Yes, the extra practice is comforting, but this is the Nationals. This year we had 6 min obedience Wed, 6 min protection Thurs. Dogs who were prepared did the go-out and ran the blinds. Even with the bizarre grass pattern and lack of landmarks for the center line. And, oh yes, the blinds were not set up for the trial as they were for practice.
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Sch Village "HERE'S A THOUGHT"! How about knowing what you are talking about before you post. Brent Eckler, the guy endorsing the venue, competed in this years Nationals. When the nationals were held this year the weather in Ann Arbor was around 60 degrees. Actually perfect working weather for the dogs.
Working under lights, it's been done for many championships in the past. Don't like Alfalfa in November? Your next statement clears that up. YOU don't have availability too alfalfa.
As for practice time. Which don't you like? Not enough time or too much time?
Lack of landmarks for center line and blinds at THIS years Nationals has what to do with next years Nationals in Michigan?
SCH Village "HERE'S A THOUGHT" why don't YOU plan and host the Nationals that way you can have it in your own backyard that way it will be great for you? I think that's the only way you'll be happy.
I think Brent's put a lot of time and thought into this. The fact of the matter is that it won't be you who gives the OK on the venue. Those that have the say in where the Nationals will be held next year will look at ALL those willing to host the venue and pick whichever one they feel will be the best for all involved. |
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Actually, it wasn't Brent to whom I was referring. I know he was there, and I have all the respect in the world for anyone with the guts to put him or herself out there and actually do it.
As to lights and tracking surface, I think that a venue ought to provide as level a playing field as possible for people from every corner of our (rather large) country.
As to practice time, "mixed feelings" means just that. I don't really care. Just pointing out that there are pros & cons to having 5 days of practice available. And that at a National Championship, teams can deal with some restrictions. After all, DVG doesn't even permit protection practice on the field at a championship.
And the fact is, I was quite happy with national events in TX, OH, PA, AL, and IA. And probably some I've forgotten.
Best for ALL involved. Exactly.
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| Isn,t it called "preperation" |
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This was a civil discussion before a little nasty decided to jump in from the village...
Ron,
HERE'S A thought: bids are supposed to be presented to the NEC for review. Then, guess what? The bids are [supposed to be and have in prior years] presented to the GBM for selection. So, NO, "Mr. Here's a Thought", learn the process. It is NOT up to competitors exclusively to approve the venues. However, venues should be decided upon with the competitors in mind.
Here's another thought: BID on hosting an event yourself!! You have the money to pull it off ,exactly as it best suits YOU. That way, you can be even more "quite happy." Of course, there's that little thing called "sportsmanship," but don't let that slow you down any in arranging things to suit yourself.
Further, my question regarding airports, directly related to competitors--spectators don't usually bring dogs!! Get a clue, before you decide to jump on your little nasty.
Lastly, as you are clearly NOT omniscient, you cannot, therefore have ANY clue as to anyone else's plans to compete a year from now... or ever. But, again, don't let a little thing like civility slow you down.
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Isn,t this the type of thing that shows the dog,s utility, versitility, ability, Oh thats right this is a "sport" event so like McDonalds it should be identical where ever you go.
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There may be a bid for the Working Dog Championship from an Ohio club. If that flies, then all three national working events will be in the Mid-East region. Add in the Sieger Show in Wisconsin and all the USA national events would be in the same general area [yes, Wisconsin is not in the Mid-East region]. Hmmm.... maybe the hosting clubs (IF those bids are accepted) could really work a hotel chain with facilities in all three or four venues... Just a thought (albeit from someone not involved in putting any of the three on-make that clear before the villagers start "juju-bwana'ing" again). |
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| juju-bwana"ing"... Yes bwana... hehehe |
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if we want the sport we love to survive and grow stronger we must figure out how to increase viewership.from that we will gain more interest and then more members.im sorry some people dont have access tograss to practice tracking.i hope everyone has access to a100yd.by 50yd. field to prepare on.no venue will ever be perfect.tracking,hotels stadium,all withen 5miles.
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Nice to know that someone knows the value of the spectators, whose admission fees, t-shirt and other memorabilia purchases, trophy sponsorship, catalogue ads, vendor-patronage, etc. help PAY for the events and make them [financially] successful.
But, I guess there may be some competitors who would like to compete in empty stadiums. I recall one who once said he had a podium in his backyard. He said he and his dog stood on all the time! 
Nia
It takes a village to raise a child. It takes only one idiot to burn the village to the ground. |
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Nia:
You are correct. We (Mid-Ohio Schutzhund) have put in a bid for the Working Dog Championships. We applaud Brent's efforts and creative thinking to make the event special/memorable . . . I like Brent's idea of protection at night . . . we're going to mix it up a little bit and do tracking at night . . . not sure if it's been done before, but we'll give it a try :) Kidding of course!
We'll be in a football stadium with hay/grass tracking . . . probably ankle to slightly taller height. I'll get back to everyone once I know for sure that we are hosting.
Jim Alloway |
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| Jim and Brent,
I have DIBS on sponsoring High Scoring Bitch!!! :-)
Tina, Susan and I will also sponsor the "Double X" for that Nationals again. We bring the "trophy." |
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Hey Jim!!
What's the date for the Working Dog Championship? |
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Hi Nia:
April 23rd - 25th . . . |
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| There should be really nice weather in Ohio around that time, as I recall from growing up there. |
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Hi All:
Just received word that we officially have been awarded the bid for the WDC. I'll continue to keep everyone updated until there is a website for the event. We'll then do our best to keep up-to-date info on the site. Until then, if there are any questions, please let me know.
NIA: I'll make sure the weather is nice. We figured out a way to control that for trials :) It will rain a couple days before, be cool in the mornings for tracking, and 60 and sunny the rest of the time. In all actuality, that can be some of the best weather for Columbus, so long as the rain stays away.
Hope to see everyone there.
Jim Alloway
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Great News!! Just remember--High Scoring Bitch is MY sponsored-trophy. I invented that damn thing, so I have first dibs and first right of refusal on sponsorship!! Period (Check it out--it was not offered at national events, until I started sponsoring it about 1998!!).
I will check with Sue and Tina to see if the three of us will co-sponsor a "Double X TM " ("XXtm") trophy for this event. I invented that one, too!!! |
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Great news Jim. This is a nice venue and Jim's club just did a great job hosting our 2009 regionals.
Lisa Clark |
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| "Nice Job" hosting the 2009 Nationals, It was horrible!!!, Need to take notes from the Triple Crown people, now they hosted an event!!! |
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| Triple Crown did not "host" any USA events. Two USA clubs have hosted events at Triple Crown's venue.
Have YOU ever hosted a national event? |
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| No sir, I have not hosted a national schutzhund event and you are correct, I realize it was hosted at TC not by them, however, there was a huge contrast between 2008 and 2009. Jes and Rob (along with many other people) did such a great job, I realize not all clubs can duplicate. Nevertheless, items such as, not having numbers for the teams, total lack of vending (esp food), not having any social events, seating and the catalog.. Not having ever host a national sch event doesnt mean one can not have valid observations on the the event. |
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| There is a VAST difference between constructive criticism (which might include referencing small, albeit perhaps annoying specifics) and simply declaring an entire event "horrible." The fact is that the club provided a beautiful venue with the chosen stadium. National events are USUALLY in a stadium. Triple Crown's facility does not provide that, btw.
Social events have been discarded as often as not at national events. The fact is that they are very often VERY poorly attended. That means lots of work and money by host club members that may essentially be wasted, if deposits and guarantees of a certain number of attendees is required.
There WERE vendors at the national, and there was a busy concession inside the stadium. So, that criticism lacks any validity.
There WERE catalogues. I bought several and there were still dozens left on Sunday. So, that criticism also lacks all validity.
The event was held in a stadium--there was PLENTY of seating. So, that criticism totally lacks validity.
The only valid criticism you specified was that the competitors did not have bibs or arm-band numbers, so you did not know who was on the field just by looking. As you have decided to slam the clubs for that on an international forum, I wonder whether you made any effort to ask host members about the reason at the time. You might have learned that that relatively small (although annoying) detail is just one of the many things that can "go wrong" when hosting a national event. Most of the time, only the hosts know what went wrong, or almost wrong. The rest of us were just glad that the weather held out. :-)
You may have heard: we are in a recession. That, also impacts what host clubs are willing to lay out in advance (often thousands of dollars), knowing that attendance is not going to be what is usually would be for national events. |
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| As usual with you no one can have a valid opinion except you. Be that as it may, not sure where I ever said anything good or bad about the stadium, so please read the post before you go off on your rants. The stadium was in a nice location and was a nice facility, other than the infield being plowed. Im am uncertain of the meaning of your statement " Social events have been discarded as often as not at national events". "Often poorly attended" it is obvious that the 2008 socials were a great success. That goes back to the planning. Yes there were vendors, ONE poorly stocked hotdog stand with very substandard food. That is obvious lack of planning. Yes there were catalog, once again substandard comapared to past events. Yes I inquired about why no bibs, and was told "we didnt think they needed them". Yes I understand the economic situation, however, if a club is not able to produce a national quality event they should not petition to sponsor it. You shouldnt take my opinions so personal, my point is it was the least planned event I had been to in a long time. Not that it didnt get done and the trophies were handed out, there could have been so much more. |
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| As with any fear-biter, you simply lie-THAT is why your "opinion" lacks validity. It lacks veracity. You specifically claimed no vendors, catalogues or seating. Read YOUR own post (unless you have crawled back and edited it). So, YES, your false claims lacked validity, were lies, so your "opinion" is not valid. Simple--the statements were NOT true. Period.
If you are so much better organized and funded, try helping to host an event some time. But, I am sure, true to character and form, that all you will ever do is slam the efforts of others. Apparently, you've only been to two events and liked one better. If that was all you'd said, there would be no issue. Your opinion is your opinion. YOU, however made allegations that were simply false. That is not stating your opinion-that's lying. Simple. |
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| Addendum:
READ better. More importantly, READ your own post.
WTF was the Friday dinner & gathering, if not a social event? I did NOT say that such had been eliminated entirely -- I said such were " discarded as often as not." Take a reading comprehension course, as you obviously need it. More importantly, just learn to tell the truth, Pinocchio, and you won't make such a public liar and fool of yourself.
I am done with this. What was a positive thread about the events coming up next year has been infected by village idiots who have no idea what it takes to put on such events, and can only those who host or support them. Pffft I won't even bother to respond further to your dribble. It speaks for itself. |
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| See, once again you do not bother to read post, I never stated anything about seating,the stadium, nor did I say "NO catalogs or vendors" what I said was they were lacking, esp compared to other events, which is an opinion that doesnt agree with yours so you resort to calling liers and curse words, that really shows your intelectual side, but as all online RAMBOs, all you guys talk so tough, and wouldnt dare come out of your mom's basement to see the light of day. |
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Posted before I wanted to: Just to make clear, I was not making light of the work that was done at this years nationals, as you so boldly proclaimed, my point which you have an issue seeing is that it was not up to the other recent events. BTW, I did not see the long list of event you personally hosted????? |
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| Sorry keep dropping connection: I answered each and every one of your points, point by point and made NO personal attack on you and your only answer is a personal attack on me, not even bother to approach my points or logic, just attack. How about something novel, refute my points attack my logic, rather than just make personal attacks on me. Lets have a discussion, rather than attack someone you have NO idea who they are. |
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gefaur,
No you were not making light, you were being insulting.
let me try
I hope that a flock of rabid squirrels, attack you and rip out your spleen
ok not as good as yours...
The bib thing was a problem we had with a supplier, it was not that we did not think they were needed. Maybe we should have cancelled the event...
As far as social activities we had well attended dinner on Friday night, and the hockey game on Saturday. These events were posted on the Internet, listed on our website and announced multiple times in the stadium, I personally gave people directions to some of the social gatherings.There was a riverboat casino within sight of the stadium as well as numerous restaurants within walking distance of the stadium.
Yes the program was smaller, My thought was to have a program that could fit into a purse easier as well as be less expensive considering the current economic situation, we made a conscious decision to keep ad costs lower, shirt costs lower, trophy sponsorship cost lower, and have entertainment options that would not leave anyone broke.
I am sorry if you find those choices offensive.
We really did not have any control over the stadium concessions as they provided that for us but the coffee tasted like coffee, orange juice tasted like orange juice, beer was cold and did not taste like aluminum, and I happen to like stadium brats, So to me the food in the stadium was no different than any other stadium food at the majority of events. Again there were restaurants within walking distance. and I directed several people to those if they asked.
Again thanks to the many people who voluteered to help, the people that came out to support and the competitors.
Jeff Govednik |
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| Geffer,
You OBVIOUSLY do not know me. LOL I am KNOWN for saying to your face, in person, what everyone else only says behind your back. I will be happy to demonstrate that at the next national event we both attend, because your lying ass has really pissed me off! Be SURE to look me up. It is really easy--I DON'T blend!!
Jeff,
Thanks for explaining reality to yet another village idiot. |
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Jeff, thanks for at least going after my points, which were not meant to insult you, it is my opinion and yes only my opinion, you dont have to like it, and I did not find your choices offensive, in my opinion, just not what I was expecting form a national event. nonetheless, I understand your reasoning behind them. Thanks for your explaination.
Mys, once again you cannot answer any points just attack someone you dont know. |
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Although this thread has taken on an acrimonious tone, I do hope that future host clubs take constructive criticism into consideration and do such things that they can to avoid the more obvious bloopers. That being said, you can't make everybody happy, nor is it humanly possible to try. 'nuf said!
Personally I would like to see next years Nationals hosted by SchH Hawaii with tracking in banana plantations and helpers wearing grass skirts for delight of all the ladies spectating under the coconut trees. The T-shirts would be a sell-out for sure: "I was at the 2010 Nationals and I got LEI'ed"
Yvette |
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Only because I,m a can do guy. I,ll be more then happy to wear a grass skirt and carry a eukalai at the nationals next year.
And i make a stunning Lei!!! |
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Geffer,
The posts speak for themselves--loud and clear. Sweetie, you are just not worth the effort. My points are in black and white and your continued idiocy in claiming that your false points were not addressed simply underscores your lack of veracity.
That's ok, I doubt you ever have or will contribute anything else. Well, maybe when you grow up, as I suspect you are a kid. Consequently, I really will not respond to you further, as it would be unseemly. Have your mom call me. |
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| You prove my point over and over again, just attack the person never address any points. |
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From the USA website:
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Mid-Ohio to Host 2010 WDC
November 28, 2009
The Mid-Ohio Schutzhund Club, Columbus, Ohio, will be hosting the 2010 Working Dog Championships.
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Hello everyone:
Judges have been approved for the WDC: A: Ernest Hintz, B: Mike Caputo, C: Doug Deacon
We're working on the website and hope to have the home page and preliminary info up soon. I'll let everyone know.
Thanks,
Jim
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