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USCA Gen board meeting. News please. (52 replies)
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i was hoping to hear about all of the changes that passed/failed. If you have any info please let the rest of us poor people at home who could not afford to travel know.
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what i know...
you now have to be a USCA member to trial at a USCA event.
you CANNOT be a member of another GSD club.
amazing how both of those passed. everyone was so worried about the dual membership,,, they forgot the other half.
so if i have ANY non-gsd, i must still be a member of USCA to show?
this is going to take a while to sort out.
john |
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| Oh good, I was looking for an excuse to get out of this godforsaken political quagmire anyhow. |
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You must be a USA member to participate at a National Event, you do not need to be a member if you are in a reg. trial. |
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Another amendment was passed earlier in the day that requires you to be a USA member to participate in a USA trial. |
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Another amendment was passed earlier in the day that requires you to be a USA member to participate in a USA trial. |
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| what if you bought a dog with a scorebook? shouldnt that be enough? |
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| It,s kinda like the pro ball player that won,t sign your baseball card cause it "the wrong brand" |
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| Kim, I read elsewhere that it means you can't compete at higher levels but CAN still compete in club trials. Clarification? |
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It has been in the past that club level trials and shows you could show or trial without being a member. Only regional and national events did you need to be a member.
As of yesterday, it was posted to the USA Yahoo group that Membership requirement for club trials was passed unanimously. This was one of several things that were passed yesterday. |
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| If it passed as written, you only need to be a member of an AWDF club to trial at the club level, and a USA member to trial at a regional or national. I also take it to mean that the former exclusion for foreign residents is now no longer in effect. So if you are a Canadian resident and only a member of the GSSCC, you can't trial at a USA club anymore. |
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| Wow. Smells like a monopoly. Didn't Microsoft get knocked down a peg for doing this stuff? |
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Kim,,, could you please post the response to all of this from WDA.
thanks
john |
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Here is what I was told from officers at NASS who were discussing the new amendment by USA. Of course, as all of us, everyone is talking about it and there is a lot of talk of people quiting USA, complaining. Honestly, I don't think there will be as much fall out from this as I am hearing. I expect things to cool down and people will for the most part stay where they are. Personally, I do not understand the acrimony or the need for the membership exclusion.
That being said, the officers of WDA and the members have their annual meeting tonight. The following is what was told to me - will have to see if this all gets passed:
In response to the exlcusionary membership rule by USA, there are proposals before the membership tonight of the WDA in order to facilitate anyone new who may be interested in joining as a member, as a club or just participating and these are expected to pass:
No affiliation trial is required for a USA club that wants to join WDA, the trial will count as a trial. It will still need the oversight of a regional director or officer to attend and sign off, but it will be a real trial, not mock so any trial planned currently could certainly be a new club event.
No WDA membership requirement for Koerungs.
WDA memberships will be offered as at a discount/on a discount plan to anyone coming from USA, just need proof of USA membership to get discount.
A fund will be established to financially help USA clubs transition to WDA as clubs. It is suggested that anyone who is not rejoining USA to contribute the money that they would have spent on that membership, to donate it to this fund to help clubs transition and defer their costs.
There are not and will not be any requirements for membership to compete except for the GSDCA membership when qualifying for the WUSV team. This is only to insure that those that compete are there to commit fully to the team should they qualify.
There may be more things discussed and passed, have to wait until morning to hear. Again, due to no WDA membership requirement, any member could still keep their USA membership and still participate in WDA events up to the National Qualifier - you just could not be a WDA member and retain your USA membership.
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Kim:
I am the secretary of a USA club and I have been completing the necessary paperwork to join WDA. We do not wish to belong to a USA dictatorship. In your post, you said that WDA will give discounts to individuals and clubs that wish to join. Please give details on how this will take place. Also, if we have been a USA club for 30 plus years - do we still have to have a trial - I thought I read that if you were a established club that could be waived. So your comment:
No affiliation trial is required for a USA club that wants to join WDA, the trial will count as a trial.
Is that saying you still have to have one - it wont be "mock" it will count. We had our trial in September for USA. And at this time don't plan on having another until 2010.
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From the WDA website:
http://www.gsdca-wda.org/formclub.htm
An applying club must meet the following requirements:
Develop formal club bylaws. If necessary, sample bylaws can be obtained from the GSDCA-WDA Office.
Have at least five members. All must be members of GSDCA-WDA or have applied for membership.
Have established training grounds and all necessary equipment – jumps, blinds, helper pants, sleeves, etc.
Elect a Training Director who can demonstrate some proficiency in dog training.
Obtain Club Liability Insurance in the minimum amounts of $250,000 property damage and $500,000 personal injury.
A newly forming club without prior full membership with an existing GSDCA Regional Club or schutzhund organization must also hold a practice trial. The practice trial may be judged by the regional director, or another individual approved by the GSDCA-WDA Board. Upon successful completion of the practice trial a recommendation for membership will be made.
Submit the Member Club Application and Club Officers & Member Roster forms and all supporting documentation to:
Then it continues with the name and address of where to send materials.
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Thanks Hodie - but this doesn't apply to my club - my club has been around for 30 some odd years - and Kim acted like she was at some meeting or something - I want to know what WDA will do for our club. We have been around along time - and since we are being dicated to - we no longer wish to play with USA - Kim implied that WDA is going to help out those that wish to come and play - I have already read all that is on the website for WDA - but since Kim is a spokes person for WDA - I want to know more than what is on the website since the decision of USA.
Happday |
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Hello happyday. If I understood correctly, WDA is voting on some these issues at the NASS meeting this weekend.
Probably the best thing is to contact WDA next week after they have time to return from NASS in Calif.
The WDA prez is in Amory, Ms. (not far from B'ham).
Rik |
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Sorry - been out training all afternoon- what I got from the president that passed is:
No membership for Nass or breed surveys
USA clubs that want to join wda no affiliation event
As there are no requirements to have a trial every year, its voluntary, I assume that you do not have to have a trial - whenever you have a trial, there is no requirement to have a mock trial prior to it.
The discounted memberships and fund to help, though told to me that it was being proposed, was not emailed to me as passed.
I have further asked if WDA will recognize helpers USA certifications, especially on the club level. No response to that so far.
WDA already honors USA or AWDF scores and scorebooks.
WDA is in the middle of their NASS. It is over tomorrow and people will be heading home. I know WDA will be accomodating to help if people want to make the switch. Just give them some time to get home and regroup. Too bad all this is happening. Maybe it will make these organizations more consumer friendly and start treating members as assets. |
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| Thanks Kim. Helpful info. Please keep it coming. |
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| Wow.... will ther be anyone left in the UScA? So many are leaving.... |
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so many have "said" they are leaving. only time will tell if they do. it will be after clubs must renew with USCA that we will see how many dont.
john |
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Thanks Kim - this is helpful info.
Happyday |
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| WDA has always accepted USA clubs that wanted to affiliate without an affiliation trial. That has been the case for years. There is no annual trial requirement for clubs. |
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| A few individuals are of the opinion there will be very little migration, and the members will put up anything even if they disagree. I am of different thinking, people are very upset over politics in general and how it is effecting their lives, because of this I think your going to be very surprised by the Exodus. I think this statement they will be making is larger than just the GSD, They are just flat tired of how others are effecting their lives and how the board is to represent the body as a whole, not a select few or their own agendas. |
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| In the past and always, WDA has the requirement for the mock/practice trial - it is at the RD's discretion if it is waived or not. It has been voted on to waive any existing USA clubs. Correct that no one forces clubs to have an event every year to keep thier membership. That's the point, no one is forced to do things in WDA. Its supposed to be fun, not another job and financial strain. And the members have say so on not having a trial, kind of nice. Frankly I am tired of bailing USA clubs out of the red every time I go to one - its always another $400 cash donation on top of entry fees, travel, paying for people to take care of my place when I am gone. Maybe if clubs were not forced into having a trial, they could do so when they could make money or save up enough to cover their own expenses. Honestly, I have never had to bail out a WDA club trial. |
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| I am WDA member and I am happy. Never liked USCA. |
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Kim,
Now that you have all this new found wealth (lol) please feel free to donate to my cat/dog rescue organization.
(That was a really funny post, and I mean that in the good way!)
Precious Pets Almost Home Association
P.O. Box 152
Lemont, IL 60439
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"Forced to have a trial" ? You go into it knowing you have to have a yearly trial it doesnt jump out of a box after you have became a club thats a pretty week argument Thats like saying "I went to the doctor and he asked me to say AAAWW how dare he" ? or going to a proctoligist and complaining "Do you know where he wantted to put his finger"
I was in a small club for 10 years and althought we had just enough members to exist we never lost money at the trial actually at worst we broke even.
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Kim,
Forced to have a trial ? Bailing out USA clubs?
Let me go and get my boots, it's starting to get deep in here.
Last time I went to watch a WDA trial I was charged 10.00 for parking by the host club, no wonder the club made money.
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When I said "forced" absolutely I should haved used the term "required" and that is an up front requirement of USA. And you can get a waiver to not have one and also another new amendment is that it now can be an "event" ie even a helper's seminar/certification for the requirement.
As to "new found wealth". I am just as broke as anyone, but I have always contributed to various clubs and organziations, some was open knowledge and some was not. I have always donated as stated. Maybe I just got the ones who needed help, maybe they thought I was stupid and would just donate and they all now have savings in the bank or had a party :) Don't know and don't care - gave willingly and freely -
Glad to hear someone had enough voluteers at a WDA trial that was dedicated enough to stand and collect money for parking :) When I hosted nationls here one year for WDA, hardly anyone would do anything. The three USA clubs here pitched in at the time to help - thank God they were there. We missed a ton of parking income from non particpants, just the general public, because everyone wanted to watch the trial. :)
But yes, I have contributed, maybe I am just a soft touch and get conned, but they all have seemed to fall short or at least that is what they said. I think what maybe I did not convey right, is with all the stupid controversy, all the politics, and all the my club is better than your club BS and the upholding of the holy grail pursuit - is that personally I have to have rocks in my head to keep sending money to others to keep established stuff going - when I could spend less money and have a club in my back yard and be done with all the politics. Its supposed to be fun. That's a personal decision if charity should begin at home :) Sorry if I vented and anyone took it the wrong way.
The orginal gist of this thead was why the exlcusionary actions of USA - and like Yvette Woodards's resignation for all the work she has done on the magazine, I think one tends to feel a little burned if you have donated to USA in money, time, whatever and you are carved out and they don't want you if you belong to another club - some of the dual members really have done a lot for USA - just look at the lifetime membership list that bailed them out of the tax lien and if that had not happened, there would have been no USA. You think I sound a little upset, think what they feel.
Also go see Larry Pinkston's post on the Final Tought thread. I am not making this up. Here is another good example. Maybe other regions do alot better with participation.
OGBS - send me or post your website and show me your non-profit status etc. If your organziation is not a joke and for supporting you personally, meaning its legit, I would be happy to send you something. :)
I've got 20 dogs (some rescues) of my own, plus 18 cats (rescues), chickens and horses of my own to support, but when I have it happy to help a good cause out for animals. Also, I do not sell or give any animals away. |
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| What's wrong with charging for parking if you there to watch. It cost money and a lot of work to put up a trial, why club should not try to make some money for equipment, seminar's for it's club members? Nothing wrong with that if you ask me,. |
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| I have also donated lots of money to clubs for club, regional and national events. I have also donated time and effort/ that is simply part of being involved in the sport-period.
I have paid for parking or admission to NATIONAL events at times. Usually, it is simply admission and parking is free. At most, I have paid ~$10 for admision to a WORLD Championship. I have NEVER paid for parking oer admission to a CLUB trial. Frankly, I find that stunning. Only one club in my region (and I include British Columbia, Canada) charges to spectate at its club trials. It is the one club between the California border and far North BC that I have never attended...because it charges.
Most clubs welcome the support inherent in attending and do nothing to discourage it. It seems to me that a $10 parking charge has the effect of discouraging attendance, intentionally/unconsciously, or not. ...and people complain about the high parking rates in Seattle! :-) |
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| What is strange to me, is your dog has to join also, just more money spent. |
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Nia is one of the best financial supporters around and she donates heavily of her time and $. If Nia were a dual member, I know her sensibilites and feelings would be hurt and for lack of a better word, feel insulted if she were told where she could spend her money, all the while giving the biggest portion or time and money to USA. And there are other people like Nia. Nobody wants to be told they had no value when it's pretty obvious they had value.
USA is a dedicated group, no one is saying it is not. But when you are told no matter what good you have done, you are out, that's what strikes the bad chord.
On the parking - that's pretty funny. In the horse shows, we always had to pay for parking or it was included in a purchased exhibitors pass - no, I really have not seen it at any trial. I think there was one WDA trial in Florida where it was in a residential area, the neighbors were complaining and parking was limited, so the club did charge. Other than that I never heard of it either except at a national if it had to be that way.
My instance where I wish we could have manned the entrance was due to having it at Kansas Speedway in the centerfield and we did advertise. Because of people getting to be on a NASCAR infield and getting to look around, it did draw the general public, I think the dogs were just an added attraction! |
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Gucci - yes it is more costly with the USA requirement to register your dog to be able to show or get breed surveys - and honestly, before this amendment, I did not blink an eye at going ahead and paying it when I knew the only place I ever needed a USA registration was to show or breed survey at a USA club. That was just with my working dogs - I cannot immagine how onerous it is to pay for all the show dogs especailly at a Sieger show and regionals it is. Like Larry Plinkston said in his post, it just gets too expensive, then add in controversy, and it just does make you feel warm and fuzzy to whip out the old checkbook. |
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Kim,
We are most certainly 501c3 and have been for about 10 years. We are all volunteers (all 6 or 7 of us).
I, nor anyone else in my organization, receive a penny of the funds we get, which are almost entirely from adoptions. That money ($100 for cats/$150 for dogs) goes towards paying the veterinary expenses of spay/neuter, rabies shots, and micro-chipping (these three are state law), deworming, distemper shots and any other medical expenses which more often than not far exceed the adoption fee.
We are not big fundraisers and haven't even had any event of that sort for a couple of years. Too busy to plan one.
I work full time to support my hobbies of dog training, sailing, and, most importantly, rescueing homeless animals.
More than half in my group are cat rescuers only. I rescue both, but, prefer dogs. I like to take in the basket cases, those that are usually a day or two from being euthanized, mostly because the shelter doesn't have the funds or resources to care for them or rehab them. Many of the dogs I take are the dogs that the shelter volunteers are afraid of. I bring the dog in to my home and work with it to figure out its issues, usually relating to an abusive male and/or children, and then start rehabbing the dog. A lot of this involves getting the dog on some sort of daily schedule and allowing it to interact with my dogs. Abused and fearful dogs usually bond with other dogs more quickly than humans. The dog gets to see how I interact with my dogs and the relationship I have with them. I believe they pay close attention to this and it helps build trust with the dog. I work in some basic training, sits, downs, recalls, etc, house and crate train them and teach them that their life can be fun and positive and that they do not have to live in constant fear. When I feel they are capable of being placed I find them a home. Luckily, not all of the dogs I take in are this way. Some are happy litlle pups like the 6 month old I presently have. He shows minimal signs of abuse and he quickly learned that it wouldn't be that way with me. He is one of the lucky ones. I also help friends in the GSD world that need help placing dogs that they might have rescued, or, breeder returns, etc.
It can be a lot of work, but, I enjoy it.
www.ppah.petfinder.com
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I will second Kim's post about Nia. She has contributed countless hours to USCA and I personally am aware of her generosity and kindness to many, whether specifically Schutzhund related activities or not. She is one who has put her money where her mouth is.
For what it is worth, I too have done GSD rescue, for more than 15 years now, and on very, very few donations. Only three donations in all those years were from anyone associated with Schutzhund. Most people involved in the sport prefer to suggest that rescue is not about "good dogs", but about the mutts. It isn't so. There are plenty of Schutzhund types, and show lines who end up in rescue. And in my experience, though many breeders say they will take a dog back, that too is BS. They don't. Unfortunately, for now, I cannot accept any additional dogs, even though I get many requests per month to do so. The economy has not been kind.
As for USCA, I am very sorry to hear that they will loose good clubs and people like Yvette if that too is true. She has definitely made a huge contribution to the magazine and to the organization, as several clubs mentioned here, and my own made to the organization. It is a shame that the organizations' leaders did not think about the real issues here and how offensive so many would find being dictated to as to what organization one can belong to or not. Of course, it is fine for them, the organization or judges to belong to a lot of different groups, some of which may not have the interests of USCA at the forefront. But again, they don't seem to care about that.
It is likely that nothing will come of protests, but the dollars and most importantly, the efforts of those who care, will go elsewhere. Human resources are the MOST important of all resources in an organization. In my opinion, it is too bad that USCA has consistently devalued that resource.
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hodie:
What is the real issue here? I have my idea but i would like someone to put it in words.
I feel the real issue is that several times now USA has extended it,s self to the WDA and GSDCA in terms of working together and each time they have gotten pretty words at first then stuck in the back for the effort so when USA made overtures to WDA about combining it was fine till the GSDCA got the 2013 WUSV and figured out they have never put on a venue of this magnitude so now GSDCA and WDA are hand in hand again and USA again has nothing to show for it,s efforts. So I can understand the feeling that USA wants no one associated with the organization in any way contributing to the success of the 2013 event ?. If there going to do it why help them we got no contribution from GSDCA other then a couple team members so fair is fair. as childish as it sounds I understand that reason. To me it,s drawing a line in the sand something that needed done along time ago with another german organization in my opinion. Is that the reason ? I,d like to know any ones opinion other then the grandstanding of the rich and powerful and the show enthusiasts.
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Bob,
I am not sure you wish to hear my take on the real issues here. In any case, the real issues are childish, for the most part. It is about two groups (and if the truth were known, really about a few individuals) trying to get a leg up. At least as long as I have been associated with USCA, they have been the ones, in my opinion, to make the trouble. Frankly, as someone else wrote above, all too often the sport becomes ONLY about the officers and a few competing at high level. In fact, it should be about the people who make up the organizations, and that means the grass roots people. But USCA has shown over and again their disdain for almost all the membership. They do not want real representative governing because then the few who have ulterior motives could not get where they want to go. It is certainly NOT about the breed, even though they make up a lot of propaganda to suggest that it is. They have done little to help the average Joe and Josephine who want to participate.
For me personally, there is another issue and I read it here also in other people's posts. It is NOT the place of USCA to tell anyone what groups they can and cannot belong to. Again, MAKE THE ORGANIZATION so excellent that one would never consider going elsewhere or spending a dime at another organizations' events. But that is never done. Instead, USCA tries to force people to swallow their rule about only play with us or you can't play. How stupid! Making this rule, all by itself, is an anathema to anyone who is an American. I will associate with whatever groups or people I choose, and NOT allow a group like USCA to tell me who I can play with. Are other groups any better than USCA? I think there are several who may be. Why? Because they have made real improvements, do not participate in the back stabbing and BS that we so often have seen with USCA, and leave the members to work with their dogs and do the most they can to help provide for that.
As I said before, people are fickle and perhaps most who object won't take a stand, but at least some have, if only on principle. As for those who waffle, so be it. |
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OGBS and Hodie - first let me say there are tons of good dogs out there that are rescues - you have big hearts and a lot of courage to do what you do. I am sending you each a PM .
Along the lines of what this is all about - no one has ever shown any proof or in board minutes that anyone from either organizations have tried to merge, been in discussions to merge or had any board approval to even enter into any discussions. All those saying talks were significant and moving forward - if that is even the truth, did so without board approvral - unless someone wants to show the written minutes otherwise. So, people just need to take "we were going to merge and got burned" with a grain of salt. Push and demand to see in writing where that was sanctioned.
Also along the lines of what this is all about, and I tend to echo Wallace's opinion its about team control because after researching, it all points that direction but also in discussions today, it was voiced to me that USA is positioning itself to join RSV2000 and bascially be done with SV/WUSV. I have no idea if this is true. But on the surface, with the constant buzzword of FCI and AWDF being used rather than WUSV, it rings like a possibility. I am sure that if a group like USA would do this, it would be with the thought of having an FCI registry. However, though Raiser can do that in Germany, I would surmise from the AKC/FCI agreement that it could not happen in the United States.
http://www.fci.be/nomenclatures_detail.asp?file=group2&lang=en The AKC agreement signed early this year is on this page to the right and down.
The minutes and other really interesting stuff is at the "Circulars" tab - the newest is at the bottom of the list. That is where I found the minutes from last year in Lucerne. Go to page 3 and the top of page 4 as it regards to AWDF and their concerns of not being able to particpate if the agreement with AKC was signed. This was October of last year. So this has all been brewing for some time. Based on what was said to me today, IF the above scenario would play out, there is certainly more reason than just a right to field and FCI team, and a need to stay in good standing with the FCI in order to try to follow the same path as Raiser's club. But again while FCI has given RSV recognition via VDH. The same would have to happen here through AKC and that would never happen. (?)
There is a pony in the proverbial pile somewhere that eventually will surface explaining either logically or illogically why USA made the decision to be exclusionary. |
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| I WAS a member of WDA for a few years...until they began to require signing that one would not sue WDA, no matter what idiocy it might do to you to give valid grounds for legal action, and screwed over the magazine editor who had produced the only few issues that were not just a couple steps above ye olde mimeo-machined broadsides from long ago yester-century. That is when I checked out.
I just never saw any reason to re-join and still don't. |
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| WOW!! Thank you for the kind words--they would probably swell my head, were it not for the anti-inflammatories I am taking for my knees that are still feeling the effect from the nationals. :-) |
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Ah schucks  I did not think anyone remembered the magazine political intrigue, thanks Nia for the atta girl.. It was not a pleasant time in my life with all the BS with WDA over that . Don't think that is not in the back of my mind as I am forced to chose what clubs I will remain with. Once bitten, twice shy? And that is the point, no organziation is perfect and you are never guaranteed what you put in is what you get out of it. Not that you expect a return, but you at least don't want a screw job. Most members of all are there to trial and show and enjoy the camraderie. Its a shame all the intrigue gets in the way. Lots of times I wish I could go back to the first year I was in this, all stars in my eyes and dumber than a box of rocks and just thrilled to have a dog. Hate the Tower of Babel with the organziations, but still thrilled to have my dogs.  |
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| Hey Kim: the magazine was better than it ever was..... |
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Just for the record, Please don't use me as a "poster child" for a "tar and feather" campaign against USA.
Over the last few tumultuous days, after hours on the phone with numerous individuals, some facts about this controversial by-law change (USA vs. WDA) are finally coming to light. Finally, the motivation behind it is starting to make sense. Yes, I get the fact that USA is committed to protecting the working heritage of the GSD in the US. But this effort was marred by poor communication – most of the underlying facts never came to light in a timely fashion.
Nobody likes being issued an ultimatum under any circumstances. Such tactics are likely to anger a bunch of people, regardless of the nobility of the cause. I think it was tad naive to assume that everyone would to just “fall in line” and “do the right thing”.
This effort was not well executed. The by-law change was proposed at first with no real explanation of motives, and then, the handful of “statements” from line officers did not adequately address the matters at hand. At my day job, I am a chemical engineer and I lead multi-million dollar projects for my company and I can tell you first hand – you cannot NOT communicate. Poor communication can doom an otherwise good project.
I do not personally believe this is the best solution because I value the freedom of choice. For me personally, the right decision was to disassociate myself from such a group that manages by ultimatum. Although this course of action makes a bold statement, sadly it would also hurt my friends, my fellow volunteers, on the committees on which I serve.
My phone has been ringing and my inbox is full. People I don’t even know are contacting me expressing their remorse at my departure. The time has come for me to put my personal feelings aside and recall the reasons that I serve: Kathy, Jen, Nate, Jeff, Rifky, Katja, and too many others to name. My service may be to USA, but my loyalty and my heart belong to my FRIENDS, and I’m going to hurt them if I do leave. For the sake of the team, I will not let them down.
Yvette Woodward
USA member for 10 years, and counting
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| I'm staying with USA also, been a member for 17 years and could not be happier!!!!! |
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Yvette,
While I do not understand the reasons behind this by law change... I wish to understand it.
I for now stayed, since I feel we do hold kinda an important position, though it is difficult to be heared at times....
To see you leave indeed made me very sad! your passion for the breed and all the projects, dispite all the troubles we encountered! People like you, gave it all sense again, trying to fight for what we think is right.
I am in a bad position right now. I do not agree with this bylaw change as it is. But If all leave, who can provide objections and open disscussion? As you said communication is the key, and it is not happening.
Missunderstandings over and over about the simplest things. Like in the other thread about the COE. ( Sadned me, that some thought, it was to circumvent the BOI)
Now I am geographically challenged, again. I want to play and maybe compete with my dogs in the Schutzhund world. I love beeing involved in th UScA since i think we did/ and are working on some good things (too, through your input Yvette)
But Do i find myself forced to make a decition between two organisations, just because geographially challenges and the feud between two organisations? I want to play dogs! But how can I play in my home area when there is no UScA club, but possibly a different Organisation I can't play with, when staying in the UScA?
I hope communication gets opened and they come to a better solution. I do not want to be forced to make a decition just becuase of a Kindergarden like behavior! There must be a different solution for this!
And i hope we can find it!
Thank you Yvette for not letting us down and continue to contribute, I think it means a lot. I do by speaking up we can make a difference. But we have to see what the future holds.
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The other day I saw a really good looking red apple; just made my mouth water. That fair skinned beauty seemed to just glisten in the sunshine. Chomp went the teeth into that juicy looking thing, and lo and behold, I found it was rotten to the core. That is kinda how I perceive UScA. I've been a member of UScA for years, on and off. I have done my best to stay out of the politics. For the most part I've been successful. But from Paul Meloy (sp.?) and that fiasco, to this latest issue of the bylaw change, I've noticed that the basic leadership of USA and how things are run never really changes much. Some of the people change, but the basic way in which issues are handled and dictated out, are often not with the general membership in mind. It is each of us, who love and train our dogs in our own unique ways, who end up usually suffering the most. Up until now, I've been able to live with it, because I could still train my dogs in my own little corner of the world the way I saw fit. But now they have done something that hits directly into my little corner. By saying I "must" be an exclusive member of UScA, they really limit my choices. I don't like my choices limited. Some have said we must stay and elect new people, and transform UScA into something better. But how many more chances does this organization get. It has been years and years of chances already. For me it's like the apple. You can shine it all you like on the outside, but it will always be rotten at the core. I'll stick with WDA and any other organization that gives me a choice.
DCW
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Seems like many did not even read the new by-law for what it directly states, but go by the hearsay. It is really not as bad es many try to make it sound. You have the same option as of now GSDCA-WDA is giving you. Its a two way street. If you belong to GSDCA you cannot be a member of USA, nor trial or judge or work for both. Its either/ or from both sites. However one can be a member of ANY other organisation as long as they are not a GSD organisation doing SCHH in the US. So, you can be a member of SV ect or your local GSD (AKC style) club and so on.
I too wish to understand all reasons behind this. For now I will stay a USA member, as I see no reasons to switch to GSDCA-WDA.
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Elkoorr,,,, you said "If you belong to GSDCA you cannot be a member of USA, nor trial or judge or work for both"
could you please let me know where you found this information.
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You can belong to any club while holding membership in GSDCA or WDA for that matter. There are no restrictions to membership in any club in the world that I am aware of except for recently USA. The only other one is that if you are member of the SV, you may not be a member of RSV2000 and I am not sure, but I think that only applies if you are in Germany, but am not 100% sure. SV lost almost 36,000 members with that one - don't hold me to those figures - and it is a reason the went ahead and recognized the long coats to help build up the lost membership.
There are no restictions to judging with GSDCA or WDA - GSDCA of course at their AKC events, you would have to be an AKC recognized judge - AKC is not restrictive by membership who can be a judge either. Only USA and that happened sometime ago made a rule that you could not be a judge for USA if you were also a judge for WDA. There was no USA restriction imposed on a USA judge also being an AKC judge - I believe Mark P was also an AKC judge? |
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