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Fading Puppy Syndrome (17 replies)
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| I know this is not a nice subject, but I would be grateful if people could post their experiences of fading puppy syndrome. I'm trying to understand more about it - that is if anything is known. |
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| I have a friend who rescues cats, and she has experienced fading kitten syndrome frequently. She says about 10% of kittens just fade and die, and that the vets don't know what causes it nor how to treat it. I hope your puppy pulls thru, if that is the problem. |
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| Unfortunately I have lost two puppies, both with exactly the same symptoms. I am currently praying that the others stay healthy. |
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I have never heard of that. What are symptoms?
Does it affect a whole litter? Could there be something wrong w/them internally? |
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really if there is anything at all wrong with a puppy from birth - whether that problem is a defect - organ not formed properly - digestion not working properly - or illness - the newborn puppy will most likely not survive. Even if born apparently healthy - remember before birth the mother did everything for that puppy - so lungs, digestive system, liver, kidneys - etc arent' functioning on their own yet - as soon as pup is born everything must work. If it's not formed properly or there is an illness preventing something from not functioning properly - the pup will die. "Fading" is how it dies - looks ok at birth but soon starts to fail. No, usually there's nothing you can do to save a fading puppy. I always try anyway in hopes that the puppy just needs help for the first few days. Usually this just prolongs the puppy's life for a day or two longer than it would have with no help.
molly |
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Really ,it is the worst time in puppy raising to watch a tiny pup not make it..I had one in a litter many years ago..Hardest thing in my life was knowing it was dying and hearing it cry.
YR
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| How old when this happens? |
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From what I read from the linked articles, it depends on what is going on. Sometimes its very fast some times it takes weeks........a bacterial infection might take weeks, but a crushed scull and brain injury might be almost instant.
Liebe,
How old are these puppies that fading? It seems to be a big clue as to what might be happening. |
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Normally if there is a fading puppy, they are "fine" at birth but "fade" and pass away within 2-3 days of birth. I'm normally taking deep comfortable breaths that all puppies remaining at one week old will be fine and make it to maturity. Before one week, pups can fade. It would be very unusual, in my experience, to have a pup fade after living for one week - unless it picked up a virus, or mom stepped on it or it was otherwise injured.
molly |
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The first one showed signs of being "poorly" at 12hrs and passed away the next day. The second one was fine until about 24hrs and then went very rapidly, probably within the hour. The others currently appear well.
Both the pups who died were the first ones to be born, and the mum did take quite a long time with the early parts of her labour (started pacing and bed digging on the saturday night and pups didnt start arriving till Monday night), so we are wondering whether they maybe spent too long travelling through the birth canal. Also the 1st one who died was the smallest by 100g.
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Sorry about your trouble.
Anything is possible, but it is probably Herpes virus. Very common. Puppy usually cries like a seagull. May have purple belly and dies within 3 days. If you cut the dead pup open it will have purple pin head size dots on kidneys. This problem is usually self correcting in next litter. Keep the pups warm, above 80*F and below 90*F. If you want to know more goggle : Canine Herpes virus.
Prager (Hans)
http://www.alpinek9.com
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| .....naturalrearing.com...martina zacharias.... has a product called pfs..i have used it with great success..one pup was almost gone..tounge hanging out .limp..gave drops every 15 min.for 3..4 hrs..woke up the next am pup was fine..you have to have this product if you are bringing pups into the world... |
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huh. will certainly check that out.
molly |
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One old fashion breeder advised me when I started ... to assist thru birth, then be sure that the pups are warm and dry that the mother is producing milk... and leave them alone! That nature has a way of sorting out issues that we as humans might rescue creating weak puppies, or allowing genetic problems that nature would have removed to survive.
I can't honestly say I was ever able to take that advice... but there's probably a grain of truth in it.
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When I started breeding, I was advised to help, but not to try too hard.
What is interesting, is that the other dogs in the house (not in the same room) didn't settle after the pups were born, until after the 2nd pup had died. Surely this is an indicator that something was obviously wrong. The pups mum was also very edgy until after the 2nd had died, and now is very relaxed and settled. |
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| Mama usually knows when something isn't right. Sometimes she will push the pup away from the others. When that happens you can kiss the pup goodbye. Sorry to hear about your problems, how heartbreaking for you. Hope everything is going well now. |
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Hi
I lost the first pup a day after birth ,and the second ,6 days later.The remaining 3 are fine even now.(month later)This is new to me.The pup becomes weak ,would not take the nipple ,and feels cooler than the others.The mom rejects him...is that fading puppy syndrome?
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