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| Has anybody any experience with using orijen food.I have read their web page which is impressive but aren't they all.It contains no grains and has a 70% meat composition.I am a little sceptical of the the fact that it has a 42% protein content in the large breed puppy food.Is this too high or would it benefit my 4month old shepherd |
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| That does seem high, What does your vet think ?? |
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| have consulted my vet yet will do later today. Just hoping someone has feedback having used this food.Thanks for the response |
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| I have changed to Eagle Pack, Holistic Select. The dogs just loved it!!
No wheat,No Corn, in the Holistic line. They also have large breed puppy in the holistic line. They make their own food.
1 800 255 5959 is their phone number. |
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| I went on http://www.dogfoodanalysis.com and it says for Orijen Puppy Large:
The first three ingredients of this food are all named meat products, two of which are in meal form. There are further meat ingredients fourth and seventh on the ingredient list. We can thus have a high level of confidence in the meat content of this food, which the manufacturer states to be 70% of the total.
This is an entirely grainless dog food. The major carbohydrate source is potatoes, which are also a good source of B vitamins and other minerals. There is a good range of fruits/vegetables in the food, whole eggs and a good range of probiotics.
This food is outstanding in that it contains no grains whatsoever. Grains are not a natural part of a canine diet and it is pleasing to see dog foods on the market that exclude grains completely from the diet. This is a far more natural food concept and combined with a complete lack of any low quality or controversial ingredients is the reason this food is placed in a class above the more conventional form dry dog foods.
The only caution we would make on this food is that the high protein content makes it suitable for adult dogs only, particularly in the case of large breeds.
Note: Our review is based on information about the ingredients in the food only, not manufacturing processes. We are unable to locate any guarantee on the manufacturer website of the use of solely Ethoxyquin-free ingredients. Ethoxyquin is a chemical preservative commonly added to fish ingredients and that is believed to be carcinogenic. Potential users of the food would be advised to contact the manufacturer for information before buying this product. |
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| This dogfood sounds pretty great - but once again based on my experience using many dogfoods, I recommend the holistic Canine Caviar.... JMO
http://www.caninecaviar.com |
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| High protein food fed to pups "can cause rapid growth and subsequent weaknesses in either the joints or long bones of a very heavy and quickly growing puppy. At 7-8 months a puppy's bone structure is not mature enough to maintain that weight without injury while just running and playing. Some well meaning but ignorant people may suggest supplementing your puppy with certain vitamins and calcium tablets, this practice has been linked to developing OCD (Osteochondritis Dessicans) a crippling condition that usually affects the shoulders or elbows. OCD is considered to be partially hereditary in that large, rapidly growing breeds of dogs are more prone to develop this problem, but OCD is usually attributed to over-feeding, over-supplementation, over-exertion or injury or a combination of all four.They should be fed on a raised platform, they should not play immediately before or after a meal. They should be fed a high-quality/low-protein food at least twice daily."
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| Alan G. I concur with the others here; that while this appears to be an excellent food, the protein content is far too high for a growing puppy. I am curious why this is even marketed towards puppy owners, but it is no secret that many people are delighted by a puppy that grows very quickly and very large, but I think most of us know the consequences this growth rate/pattern can cause in the form of joint and long bone issues.
I don't want to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but let's remember that dog food manufacturers are in the business to sell dog food, not successfully raise puppies.
For an adult dog-especially one that has a strenuous activity level this may be a good food as it provides much protein of high quality for building and maintaining strong muscle mass. I agree that being free from grain (essentially a partially-digestable filler at best) makes this food take a place above many others.
Bob-O |
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| Sounds like a decent food for an adult dog but you can only get it in WA, OR, GA, and FL :( |
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| Thanks guys makes interesting reading.I emailed the company and was glad to see that they responded quickly to me.I have attached their response to the protein concerns,it begins
I want to leave you with an email that was sent to us by Dr. Steve Marsden. He assisted us in formulating this food. He is very well known and respected in his industry(he is a homeopathic vet and nutritionist). Below he addresses some typical concerns regarding high protein diets-including large breed puppies and accelerated growth.
* higher protein diets are believed to accelerate bone growth
o Nap RC, Hazewinkel HA, Voorhout G, Van den Brom WE, Goedegebuure SA, Van 'T Klooster AT reported on this issue in J Nutr. 1991 Nov;121(11 Suppl):S107-13. The study was entitled Growth and skeletal development in Great Dane pups fed different levels of protein intake. The authors found that while relationships exist among growth rate, calcium/phosphorus ratios and overall energy content of the diet, dietary proteins have no discernible accelerating effect. The maximum protein level tested was essentially the same as the protein level in Orijen.
* higher protein diets cause kidney problems
o Many studies have demonstrated that protein restriction is often helpful in managing chronic renal failure in dogs, but there are no studies to suggest higher protein diets can cause renal failure. Some studies have demonstrated rises in blood urea nitrogen following use of higher protein diets, but none show significant increases in creatinine. Between the two, urea and creatinine, only creatinine is a specific indicator of renal failure. Urea levels vary widely for a number of reasons, including the level of protein in the diet, anorexia, the effect of various drugs, and of course impaired renal blood flow. Rises in urea in the absence of rises in creatinine and normal urine concentration do not indicate renal failure.
o Following is a reference specifically confirming that high protein diets do not cause renal failure:
o Bovee KC; High dietary protein intake does not cause progressive renal failure in dogs after 75% nephrectomy or aging; Semin Vet Med Surg (Small Anim). 1992 Aug;7(3):227-36.
* Lastly, it is commonly held that high protein diets predispose to calcium loss from bone, since low protein diets are often used to manage calcium oxalate stones in the bladder, and since high protein diets are an oft-touted (though unproven?) risk factor for osteoporosis in people. Interestingly, a recent study shows the exact opposite, that higher protein and even high calcium diets in dogs promote lower incidence of calcium oxalate stones. That study's citation is as follows:
o Lekcharoensuk C, Osborne CA, Lulich JP, Pusoonthornthum R, Kirk CA, Ulrich LK, Koehler LA, Carpenter KA, Swanson LL. Associations between dry dietary factors and canine calcium oxalate uroliths. Am J Vet Res. 2002 Mar;63(3):330-7
Clinically, I would have to say that all our experiences with this kind of diet are in agreement with these studies. Much of the perception that higher protein diets are harmful has been promulgated by the veterinary profession based on old and incomplete information. It is entrenched in owner's minds because of the credible source. Until the most recent research on the subject becomes mainstream in the veterinary profession, you are constantly going to be encountering this kind of bias. At least now, though, you can cite some studies to back up your beliefs.
Thanks very much,
Dr. Steve Marsden
DVM ND MSOM LAc Dipl.CH AHG |
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| I am glad & sad at the same time to be the first one responding to these messages to have to give some feedback regarding Orijen. I am using it for 3 months now and, although this is a very short period to jump into conclusions, the first impression is ecxellent. High digestability (I have to search thoughrally every time to find my dogs' feces), very very tasty, and a reduced amount of daily ration by 30%. I had some seconds thoughts regarding its feeding on puppies and I am feeding the puppies only Acana. I attach the following answer sent to me by the www.dogfoodanalysis.com team on my question regarding their caution about its use on large breed puppies:
"The caution on high protein dry foods and puppies that are still growing skeletally arises from the findings of some research that high amounts of
protein can contribute to, or exacerbate a range of skeletal growth disorders ranging from panosteitis, and HOD through to exacerbation of hip and elbow dysplasia. We would note that different studies conflict on this (there is general agreement that excess calories and excess calcium are contributors, but the role of protein is not agreed by all research). In the absence of consensus or a definitive study, it is our opinion that it is more prudent to avoid these foods until after skeletal growth is
complete.
Skeletal disorders such as those above are more common in large and giant breed dogs than small breeds, hence the specific caution in those cases.
If you have concerns about particular skeletal disorders, some research on those conditions would likely turn up information on whether or not high
protein foods fed to puppies has a role in its development."
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| I forgot to mention that I think that these kind of foods are formulated by food companies not because they care so much for the feeding of our dogs BUT mainly because they have begun losing customers from the fans of BARF diet. Its advantange against the BARF is that you do not have to bother too much to prepare it. Its disadvantage is that (like all dog foods) do not keep the dog busy (chewing and chewing) like raw bones would; thus, there is no calming & relaxing effect on the dog and one would have to find some other alternative regarding this issue.... |
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| Makes sense considering RAW is mostly meat/protein and protein is mainly what wolves or wild dogs would consume themselves first, if given a choice. I never did fall for that low protein recomendation. For health resons,ie Pano, I would lower the protein consumption in a pup or dog but thats about the extent of it. Look at Inovva's protein content. The dogs want and need the meat, not all the fillers and junk most foods shove in there.
Am I correct these high protein food makers are exempt from the issues Menue foods is having? |
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| ORIJEN. This food is the best I have ever fed. Great coat, lean body and LOTS of muscle. My dog can run ALL Day and be ready for more in the morning. I found Orijen on Ebay at a good delivered price. |
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I dont know about liver problems, but I do know that if a food is too rich for a dog they will experience digestion issues. (ie, acid reflux, diareah, gas, vomit/bile, possible bloat, etc.)
Processed foods such as the ones you speak of can often be to rich for many dogs systems. Dogs have a very short digestive tract, the belief that they should have no grains is not entirely true.
(Although some animals, just like people, have sensativities to certian products, could be grain, protien, grass...the list is endless)
Having such a short tract, dogs should have partaly digested grains and veggies, like they would get from the stomach of an animal they would eat in the wild. I know alot of people dont want to think of little fifi as a killer, but shes a dog at heart and in biology!
EVO, was to rich for my dog too, not enough "binding agents" like veggies and such.
Orjin uses tapioca as an ingreedient to resolve these issues. I dont know how well it works, but there are a few brands that are doing this now.
Its like when every one stoped feeding beef and went to chicken and then stopped chicken and went to lamb. Now they are all on fish and that. I dont know what a dog needs tapioca for....
In my humble opinion, alot of this is a marketing ploy, the dog food companies can see the market in the human world rising in such things as health foods, raw foods, suplements, natural living, organics, no preservatives, etc. So they are jumping on that ban wagon, its big bucks.
IMO there is way too much protein in Orijen for a growing GSD puppy!!
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Too musch protein for a growing GSD puppy? Yes , I agree.....this is a processed food, not a kill in the woods...:Lawdawg is right a kill contains a stomach full of berries, grass, roots and rabbits in stomach of what eats a lot of grains.......dog food with too high portein will caus burn out in Liver, and in a growing pup IMO is dangerous in all accounts......feed that pup raw meats, 7 grain bread ,oats, eggs carrots parboiled , and do the best to keep cottage cheese ,yogurt in his diet as a treat everynight , just like we treat ourselves to icecream at midnight...I havae seen many guys in our club years ago, in Houston all got on a hight protein dog food kick, thougth our working dogs needed it....and three came down sicker than a dog, all liver elivated whatever 9 Enczmes I think,,,,,and the vets, all three told all of us dont ever go that high of protein and they were using something that had 30% .....I would rather be safe thatn sorry , you can research this all year long and if a vet works in research for a dogfood manufacturer, do you think hes gonna right on the side of your sick pup.....I dont think so...wake Up AMERICA THIS IS A DOG EAT DOG WORLD...... litteral description) If Dog owners all start feeding meat and groceries we eat and doing oour own the companies go out of businesss.....if we all start eating correctly and holistically, the pharmacutical and Doctors go out of business.....there are natural cures that will cure most illnesses , they are out there , but we are to complasent to just tak e a pill and pay a doctor..and go on about our sore body business....same with dog diet,,,,,,,,,dont be fooled by research papers, that say its okay to go off the charts with protein levels......the higher level needs to be in fat ,,,,and omegas.....not protein....and not grains either..... |
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I have been feeding Origen Adult to my 3 yo GSD bitch & my 9 month old GSD male with excellent results. My girl was very healthy before, but a little overweight, she looks leaner, shiney soft coat, +++energy, eyes twinkle, AND she LOVES it!! I had been feeding Eukanuba Pro Performance, & my pup had various skin rashes & a bout with pano...you'd think that the higher protein of the Orijen would exacerbate that, instead, his skin cleared up, no more pano, coat soft & shiney, lots of energy, & he loves it, too! Origen has berries, potato, and other fruit in it, it mimics what a dog would get from an animals stomach...I couldn't be happier, and there is a store locater on the website, I drive about an hour from N.E. Pa. to N.J. to get it. And no, I'm not getting paid for this endorsement....LOL! jackie osborne |
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ps. Yellowrose...lots of Omega-3 & Omega-6 in Origen...I think they're getting it right! jo |
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Into my first bag after switching from Chickem Soup which gave the dogs loose poops and stinky ones at that...I will let you know after we're done with this large bag how we did with it but I think we'll be fine...I would not feed this to growing pups as the protein level is too high as most of you noted...
My question is at what age is a pup no longer a pup as my boy will be 7 months old and he isn't getting Orijen yet, but he will once he is a year old+...
I like the smell, the dog/s seems to like the taste, pretty clean poops with no odor and its available here in Florida but expensive, we'll see what the immediate future holds for us and go from there...You speak with 10 people about feeding GSDs and you pretty much get 8 differtent responses, do what works for you as i do and please don't let your Vet (who means well but still sells Hills Science diet) talk you into something you know is not good for your dog...From here on in I will not buy any dog food that is made by Menu or uses "parts" from China...I e-mailed Orijen about the use of Ethoxyquin as a preservative and they assured me they do not use it, it is Ethoxyquin free...
Thanks to everyone for their help as always and have a great day,
Rob |
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We now have 2 eating Orijen. they are doing very well. I'm also giving our female with pups orijen as part of her diet. All love it. |
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My dog has been on this food since he was 18 wks old, he has grain allergies. So too much protien not good for puppies, however some dogs can have little to no grains. I would recommend this food. |
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Since my last post we have switched as both dogs had developed runny stools. Coat condition and energy levels were good but I hate lose stools. It does seem like a good food just not for ours. |
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Still feeding it, still loving it, no loose stools, in fact decreased stool volume, healthy coats, no more itchies, no more panno; energy high, eyes bright,coats soft and shiney....and Champion, the maker of Orijen, has 1 plant, uses local food sources....all in all pretty good, I can get it here in N.E. Pa, & next year will be more widely distributed....jo |
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I am currently on my second bag. I ran out because of Canadian Customs had a hold up going to the distributor I use. I feed mostly RAW and when the new bag arrived my 8 month old pup begged for it. Hmmmm.....again I don't feed alot of it but I have seen no problems and the palatability is high. |
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Embarrassingly, my dog is/was a "poop-eater". After putting him on Orijen for one month he actually kicked the poop habit! I've been trying for 2 years to get him to cut it out of his "diet", to no avail. In addition, he's also cut back dramatically on his stick eating.
Unfortunately he also gained 1.8 pounds in just one month. :( Because he was already 10 pounds overweight, I have to take him off the Orijen (he had previously lost three pounds on Wellness Weight Management, so his weigh-in was disappointing to say the least). I'm going to try Wellness Core Fat Reduction, it's also a very nice sounding grain-free food, but has MUCH less calories and 6% less fat than Orijen.
I would certainly recommend Orijen though if you have an active dog that has no weight issues. |
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My dogs also gained weight initially, until I realized, with the help of my breeder, that you need to feed substantially LESS origen than the other grain -based foods. My female does well with this, but my boy is always hungry, and now gets a can of green beans for 'lunch'. This satisfies his need for a full tummy without adding a lot of calories and fat. jo |
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I have had my 11 month old female German Shepherd on Orijen for a little over 3 month's.No digestive,or diareah problem's at all.You don't have to exactly feed your dog the exact feeding table the bag show's you,if you feed exactly,or more,of course your dog will gain wait.My shepherd's coat is beautiful,small stool.No problem's. |
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I just posted in the other thread- but I blend Orijen with WolfCub. I've gotten great results so far. |
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I have been feeding a little Orijen since last July but my sons dog has been eating it mostly since he isn't into feeding RAW. My dogs eat RAW mostly, seems like I have said this a ton on other threads  , but I have found it is a bit much for puppies. My dogs do like it and my sons dog looks great on it as her main diet. If you can't find it locally to buy I have found this online store to be the most economical at the moment. The shipping is free over $50 (it was for over $40 not long ago). http://www.doggiezbest.com/SearchResults.asp?mfg=Orijen |
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I have been feeding Orijen for 8 months now with fantastic results |
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I have used Orijen now for 11 months on Two Pups now using only the Adult, Both grew on Normal and thrive on it
Excellent Food and i am pleased with it
Steve |
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Here is an update I copied from the dog food anaysis site.
** Manufacturer-provided statement on use of Ethoxyquin: "All ingredients are purchased ethoxyquin free and we maintain written quality protocols and supplier agreements to this effect. All ORIJEN fish meals are preserved exclusively with NATUR-OX (a blend of rosemary and mixed tocopherals), and our fresh fish are truly FRESH -arriving without any preservatives what-so-ever."
If anyone is interested I am a dealer of Orijen and Innova foods. Please contact me privately for pricing and shipping.
Kristen |
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Orijen is a quaility food. recently, however they had a Quailty control issue with a machine, which caused sharp salmon bones to protude form the food pices. Orijen will replace the foods you purchased and takes responsibility. Please check your dry foods and call the company if you do ge one of hese bags.
You can read about it, see photos and get lot numbers, here
http://www.animalsspeak.org/2008-04-28-bones-shards-in-orijen-foods-orijen-responds-t778.html#1078 |
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We switched our 3 adult males to Orijen a year ago during the pet food crisis. Our results have been excellent. The dogs are 14, 13, and 4 years old. The two old ones are on Orijen Senior and the young one gets the regular adult food. Happy, active dogs (the 14 year old a few days ago supplemented his Orijen diet by catching himself a bunny), much reduced output of good consistence and little odour.
The 4 year old had suffered with allergies each spring ever since we brought him home. much scratching, hair loss, runny eyes, ear infections. This year, after one year on Orijen, he has no allergies. His environment is the same; only his food has changed.
The staff and management at Orijen have been very responsive to our various inquiries - can't ask for much better. We're very happy with their product, as are our dogs. |
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We've had no issues-seen no bones in the kibble....dogs doing extremely well---& they love the stuff! No more allergy problems, even my picky eater will never pass up a bowl of Orijen, they act like it's a treat; in fact I have used it for tracking bait & training treats...! jh |
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Orijen is a great dog food. We have fed it to our dogs since it first became available here in New Brunswick, Canada. In 2005 we had been feeding Eukanuba. It had been recommended by our vets - we fed it to our cats as well as our dogs. Then while researching preservatives in dog foods I came across a website that forever changed my views on the major dog food brands.
It was a website that was demonstrating animal testing being done for the IAMS company. I contacted IAMS with my concerns and they started reading a script to me. Pointing me to another PR website and sadly - by pointing me to that website IAMS confirmed the testing had been done - one of the dogs shown on the testing site was shown as being adopted by an IAMS employee after the dog left the "wonderful animal research facility" that IAMS used.
So, after feeling like I was betrayed by my vet, my feed supplier etc - I really started to look into foods. What was in them and who made them etc.
I ended up coming to the conclusion that there were very few on the shelf foods that I felt comfortable with either ethically or nutritionally.
We like Fromm Four Star (as they are certified humane and they are an excellent quality food), Orijen, Urban Carnivore or home based raw diets.
Orijen is something I don't hestiate in feeding my dogs or in recommending. Our dogs love it. We use Orijen and Urban Carnivore as our "staples".
When we first started feeding raw food to our dogs in late 2005 - our vet at the time told us our dogs would be dead in months. Well, it is 2008 now and our dogs have pristine teeth, have never been to the vet for any illness and have the nicest coats around.
We have seen a huge transistion in our area though - more dog owners are becoming aware of the who makes their dog foods and what is going into the foods. People want ethical, humane and premium quality foods. It is nice to see that more vets are taking the time out to learn about nutrition.
Our current vet confided that when she was in vet school (not that long ago either!) - the sum of their nutritional information was a 4 hour seminar that was sponsored by a brand name feed manufacturer. Nothing like a little biased education huh?
She has since taken a huge leap into nutrition and has really educated herself on the different options out there. I wish many more vets, owners and breeders would do the same.
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I have switched all my dogs over to this kibble. I still feed only 20-30% kibble and everything else is purchased, already prepared raw. I like this food a lot. I have 2 GSDs and 1 RS, all 3 of them do well on it.
I buy it from www.doggiefood.com, I pick it up since I live in Rhode Island, but most of their bussiness is shipped out throughout the US. I think this food is gaining in popularity and you can find it at a lot of high end suppliers.
I don't have any puppies, so I can't comment on that.
Julie
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We carry (sell) the Orijen food at our boarding facility and have had many clients whose dogs have "medical" issues (a.k.a. food allergies) switch over from so-called premium foods with great results. Yes, the protein is high, but at least the protein is appropriate or not made up from grain and other ingredients that are taxing on the body (dried beet pulp and preservatives such as BHA, BHT, Ethoxyquin and vitamin additives such as Vitamin K). Clients have experienced what I call a "detox" period where the nose and eyes run for a day or two then clear. Also noted is an increase in water consumption during this period.
I have seen ear infections, hot spots and other abnormalities clear up while dogs have been on this food, however I am not claiming that it is a cure-all. It is simply good food. Unfortunately, my clients have asked me why their vets have not told them that their dog had a food allergy. I tell them that it is just a lucky guess.
If people find the protein levels too high, there are other foods on the analysis site (www.dogfoodanalysis.com) that are lower. You can find the best foods on the REVIEW page, and then select 6-STAR DRY FOODS. There you will find approx 20 foods that are grain free. Foods you have never heard of before, simply because their budgets are spent on ingredients and not "marketing magic".
Or, you could just feed raw and a supplement called Feedsentials (created by a GSD breeder), but that is for another thread, LOL.
Mike |
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