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Private Clubs in the USA - Why Can't They Say Who Belongs To Them? (16 replies)
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I will start this post out with Saying I don't agree with the vote that the USA has passed. I do not agree with their decision - I shall not, nor will I not be dictated to, by a individual or a body of individuals. I don't really want to be dictated to by the Gov't either - they work for me.... But as far as a "Dog Club" Association - I will not be told that I can't play with others........
Resent posts have stated that this is America - I just want to point out that it is America - that we all have freedom....... to some extent. With that said - I want to play the devil's advocate - If it is a free country - then WHY can't a PRIVATE CLUB- such as USA - elect a board -(run the club as they see fit) - such as our gov't has done - and not expect them to make their rules up as they go? This is America -do I have to remind you!!!!
These leaders have been appointed to run this "private club" and they decide to make a executive decision -(even if it was by a majority vote-they got what they wanted if you know what I mean) it is a free country and why can't they dictate such a ruling?
I know I will get attacked - and I am just playing devils advocate - I will say again - I don't agree with the vote - nor do I know the internal workings of this club that I BELONG to - I will resign my membership - along with all of my club members and everybody else I know.
I am just wanted to open a discussion on why people think that a private club in America can't decide to say who can or can't belong to it...After all - it is America - isn't it? |
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of course they can do it. doesnt make it right, and doesnt mean i have to put up with it. i will go play with those that WILL allow me to have other friends. my choice. dvg, wda, etc. i just cant be friends with usca and anyone else. their loss,,,not mine.
john |
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| USA is a non-profit 501 c club formed under the IRS Tax codes for non profits. I have had an attorney tell me that, yes, a club can require members to belong to only them - of course the caveat was given that without see exactly what they were doing and what the articles of incorporation, which 501 C designation they were formed under, he could not give a specific opinon, but generally, yes, a club can do this. USA is structured to be governed by the club votes - and that is how the clubs voted and it appears they had the appropriate amount of votes to pass it. |
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Club Voted - and it passed - whether it was on the up and up - nobody will ever no - but it is a private club - So - basically - it is a private club and as a free country - we can say who we hang out with.....
A club is a a party of individuals with common interest - USA has changed the rules - so they will hang out with their own "kind".....and those that didn't get a voice - will get a voice when they decide to "hang out with somebody else"... Might bankrupt USA - but that will be the voice that didn't get to vote - won't it.....
Happyday
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| You can’t be a BLOOD & a CRIP @ the same time….. |
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You can't be a VIKING fan & a PACKER fan @ the same time..... |
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but i can be a DVG and WDA and (a whole lot of others) at the same time.
no one else has ever said "if you join us, you cant join them" ,,, just USCA
john |
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| Hey guys, just screw Schutzund and go PSA! |
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I would not want to be a part of any club that would let me a member
Rodney Dangersfield
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Hey Joann: as you know I had 7 dogs to enter in your show, but was waiting to see how this turned out...glad I did not send the entry fees to USA...Am outta there, Have been a member of USA for 15 years, but this is just not right..., So am so glad I am a member, recently of WDA, maybe 6 years now...Actually, have seen more working dogs in WDA than USA, but the show dogs bring in the money...Right? |
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Happyday,
You are corect the club did vote. Just like losing an alley game of soccer, they took their members and went home.
Manipulation of a quorum at the expense of the members is not correct.
I know, I've been there. Although I never, well once in 5 years took expense money for travel to the GBM, I turned around and donated it to the WUSV Team. But enough about me.
The organization pays expenses for 21 EB members, usually a spouse or a club member tags along giving up to 42 votes whose expenses are covered or supplemented.. Only 5 EB members are required for majority. If there are not enough clubs present to make a majority, Executive Board Members vote as club members. Many of these EB members will be listed on multiple club rosters. These EB members do not return the expense money even though their vote is no more important as the club delegates.
Why is the Executive Board Member voting as a club being reimbursed for travel?
Diane Madigan
Lifetime Member?????
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"Why is the Executive Board Member voting as a club being reimbursed for travel?"
Great question. If this turns out to be true that someone from the EB is reimbursed and then improperly votes as a club member, it is so because they can get away with this. What do the bylaws allow? Just like they have gotten away with other less than honorable actions now and in the past if they think they can, they will. If there is a grey area, they will exploit it. No one gives a damn enough to make EB or any others in the "high priest" group be accountable.
This action is NOT about the dogs. It is NOT about the breed. It is about trying to shove a specific agenda down the throats of any who will allow it to happen. Unfortunately, by setting the voting process up as it is, gross abuses of power are a fact of life in this organization and will continue to be so until it is "one member, one vote". But that too is never going to happen.
The way to speak out is to revolt, pure and simple. Drop your membership, individual and club. If you are a club, and intend to have a trial soon, join another organization and cancel your USA trial. If you are not a member of any other organization, consider joining a different organization, or don't, and just participate in the activities of other organizations. When the time comesif you stay behind, don't elect the likes of the current leadership. They don't care one whit what any of you think. Haven't you figured that out by now?
They do NOTHING for the dogs, or the breed and they know it. What they do is bring divisiveness and continue to try to stack the deck, hoping that in the future they will end up the GSD Czars of the United States. Laughable. The people who should end up in charge are those who truly do have at heart the best interests of the dogs and those who care about them. Taking positive actions to encourage participation and membership, making it easier for people to participate and bringing people TOGETHER, helping clubs, and other such activities should be the task of these people and of the organization. How sad it is about something in the end called "ego".
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| The problem is hodie you can put any abrevation above that post and it fiits USA,GSDCA-WDA, AKC,SV, none are above the other it,s all politcal manuevering. |
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Bob,
Your point is valid, but at least in the case of WDA and I think the SV, one member, one vote.
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The subject is "Why Can't a Private Club" say who will belong? The answer is "They should be able to" - but with that said - We as individuals can say we won't play with you then....Take our ball and go somewhere else and play with somebody else..............We take our Money - we take our voice - shoot them the finger - and play ball with somebody else. That simple.....
Happyday |
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