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Horror from China (32 replies)
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Got a mail to sign a petition
This video must be a real horror i did not look because i now what is going on in that country
If you think you can watch it but if you think you weill be haert broken for live please dont watch
http://www.peta.org/feat/ChineseFurFarms/index.asp
But the discription that came with the email the haerts beated for allmost 10 minutes a puppy even liftend his head and looked into the camera eyes blinked HORROR
I saw there are names needed please sign this!!!!!! for the sake of humanity
Why does those things allway come from those countrys
I saw once on the tellie a big cage with 50 dog in it also a mother with 5 pups from 5 days
they let the cage down in the wather and you could hear sreems and it took so long for those souls to die
I dont understand people out of China spent so mutch money buying dogs but they dont spent a little dime to save those loyal souls that are killed in their country
A dog is a dog it doesnt matter if he or she is a va or just a street dog they all have the right to excist and if for whatever reason there live has to be endet they have the god for saken right to get a human ending
Mine wish is those how are involved and those how now but dont try to stop it over there in CHINA
May they never ever find forgivnes for the pain and suffering they put on those poor living souls
And hopefully they and there family will feel the pain them self and then they will now what they did
Barbara
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| I can't watch something like that. No animal, wild or not, should have to suffer like what you are saying. |
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This crap makes the rounds at least once a year,
It's complete Peta propaganda and all they really want is your money.
HSUS has been hitting the TV hard lately too. Its coming up on Christmas and they need the money.
I know a little bit about the fur industry, this video is standard Peta and was paid for, staged.
Not reality.
SSDD.
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Those animals were skinned alive. No doubt about that.
.. and to think they own 800.5 billion $$ of our debt now.
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I've seen this before,too. Yes, it is real, but it's an OLD video. PETA trots it out every time it needs money. And the animal skinned alive is not a dog, but a native furbearing animal I can't recall the name of off the top of my head. No, doesn't make it any less horrifying.
China has made an effort to clean up its act regarding animal rights, but it still has a long way to go. But it will be a cold day in hell before PETA gets a nickle from me! |
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Sure they kill animals,
I have no problem with killing if its done correctly.
I have a problem with deception for the purpose of collecting donations.
If you don't know when your being lied too, I have some things for sale I'd like to show you.
HSUS TV spots are right up there including celebrities and sad little faces.
There are better places to send your money, children have those same sad faces and need your help much more.
Make the right choice if you want to help end suffering.
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There is some sort of dog like animal they kill for it's fur and for food. I can't remember what is called but it's not a dog. And yes PETA does kill aniamls even though they are susppose to be preventing animals form dying. PETA is just a scam to get money. They don't care about animals. I've been wise to them for a while now. They kill perfectly healthy adoptable animals as it cost to much to care for them. So if they can't afford to care for any animals then where is all that money people keep doing goin? Into their own greedy pockets that's where.
Me and my family know all about animal cruelty, as we are rescuing animals. We don't go around asking for donations or anything either. To be frank what we do is some what illegal. We do what others won't, we go where ever we can and just take animals that are abused and mistreated and find them new homes. Waiting for an animal rescue group can take way too long. Mean while animals are dying from starvation and abuse. So we go and get the animals and send them to safe loving homes. If PETA had it's way all dogs would be dead. They actually want all dogs to be spayed an nutered. I mean ALL dogs. So not a single breeding dog would be left. Now that's just crazy. So if PETA has it's way the dog will be exinct and most likley cats and other animals as well. So don't donate or support PETA. They hate animals.
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PETA's founders Ingrid Newkirk and Alex Pacheco started out years ago with the plan to change mindsets about animals, according to an old school friend who was with PETA in the beginning years. Alex left PETA because of Ingrid's whacko behaviors. According to my friend, Alex believed in changing mindsets through education and wanted to do it in a more cooperative environment over time (this is from my friend). Ingrid went in the other direction and wanted sensational images, confrontation, and as much media attention as possible no matter how much harm it does. She made PETA into the organization we all love today.
(all this is second hand from my friend whom I spoke to years ago at a high school reunion so please don't shoot the messenger )
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Ronny/Barbara,
Please read carefully what two moons and Mindhunt have written. It is only sad that more cannot see through the deception, dishonesty and ignorance that Peta uses to progress their agenda. This is a sick organization that uses anything they can to promote their cause. I could go on all night about the lies and unethical means they use, but please think twice when you see Peta or the many groups that have similar philosophies such as USHS, animal rights groups etc. involved in this.
I will say this before the entire dog world, we face no greater danger in keeping our rights as dog breeders, trainers, fanciers, show people, sport, working, K-9, you name it, than from these organizations. They pump millions into adds, have politicians in their pockets and have a full head of steam!!!!! |
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I hate PETA!! I do believe animals have rights, but PETA takes it waaay too far. They use outlandish propaganda to change people's minds and shock to get people to do what they want. PETA activists are disrespectfu, rude, and ignorant. Personally, the way they act makes me NOT want to listen to their message at all. I am studying psychology and research has shown that shock treatment and over the top, gruesome propaganda actually hurts more than it helps. Less out there, more mild tactics actually work better. But PETA is narrow-minded and doesn't listen to anyone else's opinions, so they won't get far....well, there's my little rant.
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| Man are some of you people for real?Look at what these fkn people are doing to a poor defenceless animal whether its a dog or not.Peta or no Peta the facts remain to be what they are,THIS PARTICULAR COUNTRY IS TORTURING ANIMALS OF ALL KINDS.What is wrong with this race to have to TORTURE an animal while it is still alive.Why would'nt they kill it first and then do what ever the hell they do.Why the torture?You know,if there is anything after this life,man I hope they get to experiance the SAME PAIN.Barbara I have to agree with you.Its not right to do that to any animal.I hope everything is good with you and Ron.Good luck to you and yours. |
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Domenic, I understand your outrage over the skinning of animals alive...But you need to understand that the countries of Asia don't necessarily view things the way we do. A friend of mine once ate at a Vietnamese restaurant where they served monkey brains as a delicacy...Raw brains, taken from the restrained, living animal, at your table. Of course it died as the brain was removed, but it sure wasn't killed first. Yes, it's horrible, but Asia's varied cultures are as different from our ways as night and day.
Aside from that, the video is only a propaganda tool used by PETA and others to scam your money. What happens to the money that is scammed from people every year? It's used to create more and more anti-pet laws, framed and hidden under the guise of Anti-Cruelty, because that's the way that the public will swallow them.
PETA doesn't give a rat about the poor, starved bitches languishing in tiny cages, sleeping in their waste and matted as they produce litter after litter of puppies. PETA doesn't give a rat about the poor animals being skinned alive in China, or anywhere else. They don't care about the dogs being killed in dog fighting rings, or the ones being starved in back yards, tied on heavy chains in all weather.
PETA's only goal is the complete abolition of all domesticated animal species, from mice and rats to dog and cats, to horses, chickens, cattle, and fish. The keeping of domestic animals is "slavery" and must be abolished in all its forms. Only wild animals deserve to be left, those who can survive on their own. Read some of the writings of the nut job Ingrid Newkirk and some of the ramblings of Dr. Michael Fox, Wayne whatshisface of HSUS...It will scare the living hell out of you.
Don't be fooled for one second by their bleeding heart videos...That is solely a marketing tool meant to garner sympathy, and through it, your hard-earned money. The point of that video and almost everything else those freaks pump out is to alter the views of children, not adults, because it is through the young that a culture can be changed. Please don't be taken in by the BS of PETA and HSUS...
Crys |
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There is another point that I thought about, in retrospect, that I should add..
PETA is not really so much even concerned about animals. One of the long term goals is the extermination of all domesticated animals in the world, but it goes far further than that, much farther.
Ingrid Newkirk, the crazy broad who co-founded PETA, was credited with making a statement saying that humans are like a cancer on the face of the earth. To me that says that not only would she like to see the elimination of mankind's meddling with animals, but also the elimination of humans, as well, as they are a cancer destroying the earth. Another AR moron is Dr. Michael Fox, who made the statement that "The life of an ant and the life of my child should be given the same consideration."
Do some research on the AR movement, and you'll see that it has absolutely nothing to do with the rights of animals. They've had to start here, because you have to get people adjusted by degrees, to the changes you want to implement. These nutjobs worship the planet, feel that humankind (regardless of race or creed) is an unsustainable force on this world and needs to be reduced drastically or removed altogether. Crazy, I know. Sadly, it's true. It's frightening to even consider that people could feel this way about their own kind. I wish I had some of the webpages and other resources to link to right now..But after my own foray into the dark world of the philosophies involved, I was horrified. But research it yourself and see.
Crys
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| About china in every way is just horriable. They have no value on any life... Just look what they do to human babies. They I believe are only allowed to have one girl.. If they have more than that... The babies are killed. So, I think there is going to be a special place in Hell for these people.. It is just an outrage. |
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Dodie,
There is much about the Chinese culture you do not understand.
And these stories are just to bolster donations and most are not reality.
Look a little deeper. |
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this could make some ppl very angry, but here it goes.
i know for a fact that that video, horrifying as it is because i watched it, is absolute, complete CRAP. How do i know this you ask? cause i was raised on a fur farm in Northern Alberta Canada and watched MANY animals skinned, either born on our farm or trapped, and none, i repeat NONE, were ever skinned alive! the notion is ridiculous! for the simple fact of economics! think about it! these animals are being skinned for their FUR! maybe none of you are aware of the skill it takes to skin a DEAD animal, but nicks and mistakes happen, and each one costs money and devalues the pelt. Trying to skin a live animal??? that pelt must look like a screen on a window!! and then look at when they are smashing the animals on the ground... again a practice that causes damage to a valuable pelt.
As horrifying as the images are, with my expeirence, i know this was staged bull shit. those animals were tortured to MAKE this video! not for their pelts. |
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I have to agree with Dayna,
I too have experience with both wild and ranch fur.
This stuff is propaganda.
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| No matter what the reason for the video there are plenty of countries in the east mostly who are savages out rite they kill endangered species for the stupidest reasons you can think of they are raping the oceans and destroying what belongs to everyone and they need to be stopped and it wont be peta or anyone who thinks like those idiots that will save them it will be us who need to stand up and let them know we will not put up with it anymore |
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Blairbuilt,
I was going to leave this thread lie, but I felt that I should respond to your statement.
I don't care for most of China's approaches to things, nor those of most of the Eastern countries. But who are we, citizens of a two hundred year old country, to go and tell an ancient civilization how they should live? In some of those countries, the animals we eat are considered sacred...How do you think it makes them feel?
And though I have no direct knowledge of the fur trade, I'd have to agree with Dayna's statements. A pelt's value is in it's perfection, and trying to skin a live animal would result in destruction of the hide, which would render it worthless.
As for the "raping of the ocean and the destruction of what belongs to everyone" that's exactly what PETA and the rest of the nuts in the "earth worship" club want us to think. Personally, when I want to know what the truth of something is, I take both extremes and look somewhere in the middle...That's usually where the truth is to be found.
PETA circulates their crap, aimed at children for maximum impact, every year, and they are the biggest hypocrites on the face of the planet they worship. They kill thousands of adoptable dogs and cats every year, because that furthers their goal. And yes, they would definitely stage a torture film, after all, if it's a fur farm, the animals are slaves and are to be liberated in any way possible, preferably death.
Crys |
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| PETA idiots actually carried "Free the Slaves" signs during a search for a missing child. They trampled the area hoping we would not use the "enslaved" dogs to rescue just one human. This occurred a few years ago, but I don't suppose they have changed much over the years. Yes, they were arrested and publicity was kept to a minimum, somebody on PETA's side got a moment of brilliance and realized publicizing their message in the face of a missing child would not help their cause. The child was found. |
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TWO Moons,
What's to understand.. It is a know fact about how many children they are allowed to have and what they do when they find out they are past the number they are alloted for a boy/girl. Besides that point regardless if that video is real or facke. It doesn't matter. They still tortored those animals. I think somebody needs to do the same thing to them and see how they like it and maybe, it will stop. I only watched the first maybe 2 minutes of it.. When they brought out the white dog/wolf or whatever, I did't even watch it. I wish I hadn't see it at all.. Those pleading eyes, just breaks my heart. then they love to profit of americans adopting their UNWANTED BABIES. They charge a woping $30,000.00 to adopt from china. I have looked into that personally. It's a shame. But again, what comes around goes around. |
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Dodie,
The Chinese people have had birth quotas for many years, they have a large population and only so much to go around.
I'm not sure what current policy is. I think your misinformed about their culture in many ways.
Some cultures do slaughter animals for food that we consider pets. Doesn't make them evil.
I have watched those videos, there are several, you don't know who THOSE people are.
And they (these videos) are circulated by animal rights fanatics as propaganda.
I have a feeling you could not bear the sight of any animal being slaughtered.
We used electricity in the old days to kill ranch raised Fox and Mink.
Adoption in many countries including our own (USA) is shameful and the children suffer.
This breaks my heart more than any animal video.
Don't believe everything you see on the Internet, and have a little tolerance for different cultures.
That being said, I am no fan of the Chinese government or their policies, but don't blame the Chinese people, they are not free to have a choice.
Moons. |
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Moons,
You are right about not being able to watch any animal being slautered. I do eat meat, I just don't want to know how it's done. It's just the one video that was posted, I thought was senseless. I mean really to pick them up and slam them down and stomp on their heads and skin them alive? If they want them for their fur why not kill them more humanely? I am a big fan of aminal cops as well on Animal Planet. I think they do a wonderful job in rescuing the people who abuse and neglect their animals. They don't have a voice and need help. It just does not make sense to me. I have many animals and they are treated like my children. They are very well taken care of. My dog is not a lawn oraniment and sleeps inside where it is nice and warm, away from rain and all other elements. She is very pampered. So, it makes me angry when I see videos like that. I guess the best thing for me is not to watch stuff like that any more.... hugh? |
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As painful as it is to watch, you can't hide from it.
Yes people abuse animals and should be held accountable. People abuse each other, its sad some of the things that go on in our world.
But if you are to fight, you must be informed, and that requires watching.
I suspect the animal was slaughtered for meat and not fur.
Its an old time method of making meat more tender believe it or not.
No one should have to watch if they don't want too.
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I will never donate to PETA but the idea that animals might be being skinned alive is horrifying. I need to be more careful about not buying anything from China.
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I agree,
I'm tired of having to buy Chinese junk.
I don't mind paying a higher price for real quality goods.
This country (USA) can't compete with China's cheap labor, but we can damned sure beat their quality if you can still find something actually made in America.
As far as skinning live animals, that was just a stunt.
There is no logical reason to do it, and many reasons not to try.
Moons. |
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These type of people and these countries that do this type of thing are just stick bastards, they make me stick to my stomach.
Its really unbelieveable that they are still getting away with it.
Jackie |
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| Amen Jackie, But what comes around goes around. They will pay one day in some shap or form. I think somebody needs to go over there and do it to some of them. Let's see how they like it. |
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See, that's the problem I see, folks...Who are we to tell them their ways are wrong? They've done what they do since far before Western civilization was really all that civilized. They still see animals as simply a source of food, warmth, or whatever. It's not our way, but it is their way.
It's like the monkey brains served at the one restaurant my friend told me about. That method of killing the animal would be considered to be torture by us, but they see it as serving the food fresh. It is sick, but the best and only way we can do anything at all about what happens over there is to stop buying imported Chinese "products". Buy American or European, and shun China and the rest of them.
After all, if there's no billions of dollars pouring in to finance the great economy, then maybe they'll take stock of what's what in the world.
I think we all just need to start looking inward, closing off our borders to foreign imports and not exporting things, just keep it all here at home, until we can get our own troubles straightened out...it's foolish to worry about some person half a world away being paid by an American non-profit to torture animals so they can enjoy the flow of cash from it...
I guess what I'm saying is this: If you want to stop the torture of animals like that video depicts, BOYCOTT PETA AND HSUS. They are the reason for it!
Crys |
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I dont care if its their way or not. If there is not a very good reason to cause pain on a living being stop doing it. It is not critical to skin a live animal over a dead one, and its not critical to eat the brain out of the head of a living monkey. What if an advanced alien nation came to earth? Would we want to be treated the way some cultures treat their animals? At least being treated as a pet would be bearable (if not pretty nice).
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I would agree with you VonZellmer...If there's no reason to cause pain, don't. But again, that's our way of looking at it. And as far as skinning a live animal over a dead one...That was addressed above...It's not done, except when someone is paid by PETA to do it, as the damage to the pelt couldn't be avoided if you skinned it alive. As for the brain of the monkey...I see no reason to eat brains period, from living or dead creatures..No way. I think it's sick, and I would likely be sick if I had seen such taking place.
As for the alien culture coming to earth and seeing the way some cultures treat animals and being treated that way...The way some of those cultures treat their own people is just as bad, and I wouldn't really want to be treated either way. I don't think I'd want to be a pet, though...my mother in law saws I bite the hand that feeds me...
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