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Help with dog chasing cat....... (56 replies)
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| I'm having trouble with my 6 yo dog chasing my cat. They both live indoors. Does anyone have any helpful suggestions? |
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SitasMom,
I have a 4 year old show line whose very comfortable around my wife's 2 cats. However, I also have a high prey 2 year old female from working lines that would love nothing more than to replace her kongs with one of the cats. I have recently started using a tri-tronics e-collar using Ed Frawley's "nick" correction method to teach her that the cats are off limits. I'm happy to report that the training is going well as she really wants nothing to do with the cats anymore and her temperament and personality have been unaffected.
Good luck... |
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How long has this been going on? Are they new to each other or has the situation gone on for some time. It all depends on the dog & the cat. Does the cat have its claws? How determined is the dog in his effort to catch the cat. Sometimes the best lesson is for the dog to catch the cat. We had an old tom cat who took on the local cat killer (half GSD half great dane) and the cat had him screaming in agony in seconds. Old tom didn't run from dogs and none of our dogs chased cats (at least not more than once if it was old tom). Nail him with an e-collar a few times. That should help. |
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Catzilla who is 11yo, has been brought up with dogs, she tolerates them, but isn't trusting. She has her claws, but usually will not use them. She usually just freezes and when the dog looses interest makes her exit.
I haven't had this dog for very long and have not had a chance to do much obedience with her yet. She is an IPO3. She was a kennel dog and is now making a transition to indoor dog. All is going well, except for the cat.
She will call off very easily with fooey, but I seem to have to repeat the command 20 times a day. I will do a fooey, here, down and stay. After a few minutes I give her an OK to release her. And she is good for a while, but eventually she will sneak away and go back to cat chasing. When she finds the cat she seems to just wants to nose her and make her run. She has had the chance to bite her and hasn't. Its been going on for only a few weeks, but is getting worse.
Guess I could get some batteries and do the e-collar thing. It's worked in the past, though I was looking for another way.
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How hard is the dog? Sometimes they react negatively to the zap. I'd hate for her to chomp down on the cat thinking the cat was to blame. I'd zap her a few times away from the cat to make sure she won't react other than to stop whatever she is doing. I'd give the phooey command then zap a nano second later until she figures out phooey equals zap. Then let her and the cat in the same room then phooey/zap her the instant she pesters the cat. I think a few lessons are needed to make sure it is ingrained before removing the collar. Good luck |
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| Your dog has found out how to make her own "flirt toy". |
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Good dog lol ;),
Quick solution loose the cat lol ;) hahaha |
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flirt toy - that's about right - don't give them enouhg to do and they will find things.
OK, I'll go but batteries this afternoon and get started.
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I second that snaiper, quick resoulution without having to fry the dog, not fair to a dog that is already 6and living in a kennel it's whole life and now it is still adjusting to home life and now you want to throw on an e-collar . If you are bent on keeping the cat, keep them seperated at all times.
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getting rid of a cat that I've had for 11 years is equally unfair to the cat, and my son too. Its his cat.
i was planning on teaching avoidance........cat in someone's hand, dog looks at me and gets a treat, looks at cat and is ignored.....same as other distraction training...
has any one had any luck with this?
maybe it will take a little of both, anti-distraction and corrections??
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| MY CAT , chase's the dog's ,??? no fear , or brain's ? but I've no solution ,..squirt bottle , could help , new distinctive punishment for the dog ? bring in the dog n put out the cat, yakkitty yak ,...good luck . |
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The dog has to be corrected like a child would be..and if phooey doesn't do it , it is time for hard zapping no matter how you do it... remember one correction one praise... do not do 20 corrections and no results....
one big correction no result you correction was not hurtful enough 2nd correction no result....you are not hard enough...by the third correction... no result time for a hard e collar and put cat in room and walk her past cat on lease the minute she heads for the cat zapp her......walk out of room return the same path and if she starts for the cat do not say one word zap her again.....bring her back to a fuss and proceed out of room put dog in crate to think about what just happened...do this for 5 days straight and I believe you will have the problem solved...if not keep them seperated.....
Put the dog outside during the day and lock the cat up at night.....it is your duty to win the battle...and Hanny must submit to some harsh correction..This is a dog who has had plenty of harsh training so do not give her any breaks....she knows how to be corrected you just have to do it... you already have let her get by with it....snatch her head off one time and then do the e collar if she won't change her ways.......Here is a funny example of ALPHA: This is the LAUGH FOR The day
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From a useless verbal correctioon to an e-collar? Ugh. Do what blkred said, keep her a leash and training collar until she lays off.
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She is a hard slavokia dog not a pet...she is not responding to normal corrections...E collars are meant for an older dog that will not follow normal corrections...if you are opposed to a slight e collar than just let the cat and dog fight it out...some dogs will not respond to a training collar and a leash.. Cat chasing is one of the hardest problems to solve with a 6 year old german shepherd.
She has been doing all the above till now and nothing is working...time for a harder amount of pressure so what else besides a 2 x 4 do you suggest.???? |
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| SITA'S smart enough to know , IT'S NOT the punishment ,..IT'S the insult of being corrected /punished ,..squirt bottle ,..? |
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It is not Sita who is doing this..it is Hanny.. Sita has been raised with the cat...
Hanny is new to the house and she is a kennel dog imported that has not ever seen a cat evidentually....
Another member of our database imported a 2 yr old male from Germany and she has spent hundreds of dollars with this trainer , that trainer and even went up to Steve Millers with her dog and got his suggestions , which were the best and the dog still chases the three cats..
One trainer came in her home , with chains .,,,and the object was to let the male dog out with cat in a kennel in the big den..when the dog headed for the cat she threw the chains at the dog and the noise was suppose to stop the dog...
I almost lost my coffee all over the computor board the morning that she called me and told me this trainer, who charged them a hefty fee, was doing the CHAIN METHOD.. iT DIDN'T WORK EITHER.
Two years later, the cats are in the basement and the dog is upstairs...when the dog goes with husband to work , they let the cats out...The dog and cat take turns with the family...The three cats are very precious to this family and their kids...One of their requests when they purchased the new gsd ,,,,,,was......it must like cats.....well, someone said the dog did...but obviously it must have been a stuffed one...
YR |
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| It sounds like the dog is trying to get to know the cat. You have stated that the dog has not tried to bite the cat and is just sniffing at the cat, which leads me to believe the dog is investigating. The more you try to prevent them from coming together the more you are encouraging the negative behaviour. Kind of like telling a child no they can't play in the sink, the more you say no the more they will try. I would suggest bringing them together in a controlled environment and letting them get to know one another under supervision. We introduced a kitten into our household several months ago with 2 dogs who are from long lines of cat killers, we used the technique of introduction in a controlled environment and now the dogs and cat are the best of friends. You may have to bring them together several times before you can let them interact freely but over time they will come to understand that both belong there and that they need to make the best of it. In time the thrill of the chase will wear off since the dog will already know that it will not find anything new with the cat. |
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it's not gonna be so easy as that .Please !! your gonna have dead cats .harsh punishment is called for ,like yellow rose says A 2X4<< METAPHORICAL SPEAKING .once the dog has the desire its gonna be hard to stop .Especially when unsupervised.Extreme measures should be used to stop this .
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"MY CAT , chase's the dog's ,??? no fear , or brain's ? but I've no solution ,..squirt bottle , could help , new distinctive punishment for the dog ? bring in the dog n put out the cat, yakkitty yak ,...good luck ."
That's nothing my brother in law cat chases me, and my dog out of the house lol, that cat is nuts. I mean he is like attack cat guard cat whatever you want to call it but when he is after you, you know he means business, normaly I would not run, but he is attached to the cat and since he is my brother in law we are not really on good terms so I don't want to be the one to teach his cat how to fly through the window lol I don't think this would improve are relationship lol.
And yes you are right is not fair for the cat or the dog, keep them separated, I would not zap the dog for acting on his instinct shit that would be my instinct too (but only because I don't like cats) lol. |
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Sitasmom,
You will not be able to change the nature of the dog, Hanny is going to chase the cat. The dog may stop while in your presence, but if you leave these two together unsupervised you will have a dead cat. In the next few months you will see the dog's real temperament.
YR, I don't think this is really a hard dog. But, letting them fight it out is really bad advice. If it was one of my dogs the cat would be done in a few seconds, I don't care how tough the cat is. Most dogs won't follow through, mine will and would quickly finish the cat. I suppose that Hanny will also kill this cat when given the right chance.
She will call off very easily with fooey, but I seem to have to repeat the command 20 times a day
Well, I guess if you need to repeat the command 20 times a day you are just nagging the poor dog. Do you think if you have to repeat a command 2. 5, 10 or 20 times it's not working......
Guess I could get some batteries and do the e-collar thing. It's worked in the past, though I was looking for another way.
Do the ecollar thing??? Go out and get some batteries??? What kind of e collar are you using that you need to get batteries for? I know you won't listen to my advice but you lack the skill and experience necessary to use an ecollar properly. Don't let the dog near the cat, ever! For the cat's sake separate them and spare the poor old cat. You do not have the control over this dog and the dog can never be trusted alone. Sorry, but you also lack the ability to train this behavior out of the dog.
Sorry for the cat, it's just a matter of time.
Jim
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For the time being the cat is in a bedroom with a gate across the door. Hanny is most of the time confined. I am being careful.
Thanks everyone for the advice. |
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Kind of where I was going Jim, but as usual, you have more patience and ability to articulate than I.
Make no mistake, a badly timed e-collar correction (as someone already suggested), may very well cause the dog to take it out on the cat instead.
Best of luck to you. I have an 11 year old cat I call my assistant dog trainer. One tangle with her and none of my dogs touch her again. She is lightning fast and takes no prisoners. I also have about a 4 month old kitten that loves my dogs and the dogs love her back, and due to my other cat, have a healthy respect for her little needle claws when she's had enough. However, I have had all my dogs from 8 weeks (or birth!) and that makes a huge difference. You may need to keep them segregated permanently. I just don't think it's fair to zap an 8 year old dog her new situation.
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It does depend on the dog and cat. My 8 yo cat really doesn't want to bother with my 3 yo dog. They can be in the same room only if I am there, making sure there is no bloodshed, all the while with the dog doing that shove, shove nose thing. The cat flattens out and the eyes go real wide, he's smart like tomtom and knows running is not an option at this point. I trust the cat, but not THIS dog.
The cat was losing weight, so he solved the problem by entering the house in and out through the second floor bedroom window. Unfortunately the window he uses is right by my head at night. He usually needs to be let in around 2-3 am. I am happy to say though he's put on weight now that he avoids the stress of the dog. Probably, why I'm groggy in the am. lol
Same cat with a different dog, no problem, everybody used doors then.
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Jim
Good post. I agree 100%!! |
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Jim: I was just being obnoxious about that statement....knew it would draw attention.....in other words..if none of our opinions work.....next choice is three things....let them at each other and we know the outcome there, put cat up and dog up seperately for ever, or get rid of one or the other.......
All dogs and cat situations are entirely different....have to work with each one differently also...
I believe Sitasmom sees the problem now...
Hope so.
YR |
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Um, also why is a bitch with 15 day old pups out and about to chase the cat? More importantly is when she has young pups on the ground a good time for her to also be having to learn about the cat?
Personally I would have kept Mom and pups seperate and quiet until the pups were weaned and then worked on Mom learning to be a 'house dog' instead of trying to throw everything at the wall and hoping it will stick.
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| doesnt this dog have a young litter? |
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| I can't believe anybody who loves a dog would shock it in order to get it to behave. That is a very harsh a poor training technique. You need to train out of love not huring the dog and getting it to be afraid of you. If you think that it doesn't hurt, then try putting it around your neck and turning it up and let it shock you. You might think differently about using that type of correction. These training devices should be outlawed. |
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I wouldn't go that far, Dodie. E-collars are great tools in the hands of an experienced handler. I am sorry you have not had the opportunity to work with a trainer experienced in the correct, fair use of compulsion. And I hate to break it to you, dogs don't maintain their own heirarchy with "love".I also test absolutely every e-collar I use in the palm of my hand, firmly, to get a feel for brand strength and to ensure the device is working properly. It's just that some of us don't feel it's appropriate in this situation.
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WHEN A DOG IN A PACK GETS OUT OF ORDER THE WITH THE RULES OF THAT PACK ,I BELIEVE PUNISHMENT AND CORRECTION IS DELIVERED HARSHLY AND SWIFTLY TO THE OFFENDING DOG .SOME TIMES THE UNDERLING IS HELD DOWN BY THE THROAT AND IF YOU THINK THOSE DOGS ARE TAKING BABY BITES ON THE OFFENDER THINK AGAIN. MOTHER NATURE HAS THE ANSWER TO THIS PROBLEM .YOU MUST ADAPT YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF THE PROBLEM AND SETTLE IT AS A PACK OR PACK LEADER WOULD .SOME NATIONAL GEO GRAPHICS SHOWS PERHAPS? SOME OF US KNOW THE NATURE OF THE BEAST,, SORRY FOR THE CAPS .I AM NOT SHOUTING.
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My dogs do the same thing to my cats. My dogs however don't live inside, my cats do. I only have to tollerate it for a few hrs at a time and usually the cat puts an end to the pushing, with a good wack to the dogs face or I tell him to go sit the hell down. Funny thing is as soon as the dog leaves the stupid cat alone for too long, the cat walks up to the dog. If the dog was going to kill the cat, she'd already be dead. In the case of my dogs, they are just playing/trying to make a chase game by getting the cat to run. When I get annoyed by all the movement I tell him to knock it off, if he needs a second warning the e-collar goes on and I usually don't even have to use it. Possible she is trying to heard the cat since she hasn't taken a bite. |
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I'm with Jim 100% also.
I have a bitch that will kill my cat given the opportunity. The dog knows my cat is off limits but I do not trust her even after 6 years. They are never left alone together not for 2 seconds. She actively hunts him just to see where he's hiding. A combination of platz, e-collar and redirecting has worked to a point. Now the dog will focus on the cat (who doesn't even have to move) then redirect herself to a huge stuffed animal I keep just for this. She will thrash the "critter", check back on the cat, back to killing the "critter", back to check the cat. Kill the critter one last time and then there's peace until tomorrow.
Trust them alone. Nope, never. There would be a dead cat without a doubt.
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yes she has pups, she also get out of her room in order to eat and to relieve her self out side. this is where the issue is. it has been very, very limited so far.
I have not dealt with it much more the phooey and recall because I don't want to pile on even more on her right now.
I'm asking questions ahead of time so when the puppies are gone I can work on it.
Getting used to living in a home, seems much easier then living in a kennel....she is loving it!
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by Slamdunc on 30 October 2009 - 21:10
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Sitasmom,
You will not be able to change the nature of the dog, Hanny is going to chase the cat. The dog may stop while in your presence, but if you leave these two together unsupervised you will have a dead cat. In the next few months you will see the dog's real temperament
THIS IS EXACTLY RIGHT!!! Do NOT think this will ever be resolved between this dog and that cat. Maybe when you are present, your cat will be safe. I'll GUARANTEE YOU, your cat will be killed by the new dog. I don't care how much time, money or effort you put in. (my dogs are the long line of cat killers dog breath, aka GSLover123,skullirilla, magilla gorilla, is referring to)THAT DOG, WILL KILL THAT CAT!!!!
by dogvoice on 30 October 2009 - 21:10
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It sounds like the dog is trying to get to know the cat. You have stated that the dog has not tried to bite the cat and is just sniffing at the cat, which leads me to believe the dog is investigating. The more you try to prevent them from coming together the more you are encouraging the negative behaviour. Kind of like telling a child no they can't play in the sink, the more you say no the more they will try. I would suggest bringing them together in a controlled environment and letting them get to know one another under supervision. We introduced a kitten into our household several months ago with 2 dogs who are from long lines of cat killers, we used the technique of introduction in a controlled environment and now the dogs and cat are the best of friends. You may have to bring them together several times before you can let them interact freely but over time they will come to understand that both belong there and that they need to make the best of it. In time the thrill of the chase will wear off since the dog will already know that it will not find anything new with the cat.
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| Did we need the red ink really? |
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could be red represents the cats blood .cuz thats whats gonna happen when folks give that kind of silly foolish wrong advice.
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Moons, obviously some people think it is necessary to use red ink, shout, swear, insult and generally make complete idiots out of themselves to gain attention and get a cheap thrill. Personally, while I am being attacked for no reason they are leaving someone else alone. I have broad shoulders and can take it.
Sistas Mom, I appologize for their obvious need to destroy your thread.
dogvoice
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I think all things considered I would keep the dog and cat apart.
The rest has no real meaning for me.
I still smell cat soup....:)
MEOWWW.
Here kitty kitty kitty.
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Crate the cat and see what the dog does, investagate or wanting to kill.
I still say she has made her own toy. I had a GSD and a parrot that use to get along, shocked the dickens out of me. That darn bird belonged to my daughter, and it hated everyone else in the house, I use to see the 2 of them all around the house cuddled or he rode her back. Then came the young Rottie, he loved that toy, it moved, it flew, until he caught it when we thought the bird was put up and they were on 2 different floors. It happens so fast, so I would find out soon, maybe if you crate cat and teach dog. |
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| Tsk Tsk You folks need to keep your drama to yourselves and not high jack other people's threads. Use a little common courtesy, please. The rest of us do not care about what he-said, she said. Pathetic. |
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| Oh jeez, who let the zoo animals out again? |
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Sorry Sitasmom
Wasn't trying to hi-jack anything. I just really can't take this crap. if you have read skullmans posts lately, he has attacked my 80 year old mother, repeatedly. She is in the hospital with cancer, and I have been there all week.
Enough is enough with this already.
Anyway, DON'T trust that new dog, with your old cat, please!! |
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You need to get a cat with no legs and the dogs simply can't chase it.
Here is my cat with no legs.
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LOL! Seems happy though!
Ninja, you look great in your avatar. All geared up for tonight? What kind of mileage do you get with that thing? |
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LOL Red Sable!
That's a hybrid broom, I plug it in at night, so no mileage figures are available. I tried to take it across the border and they sent the Provenchial Police after me.
I don't know who is older, me or the witch in the avatar. I tried to figure out my age in dog years once and the calculator broke. LOL
HAPPY HALLOWEEN!!!
Here's the group I'm taking trick a treating. They are ready to roll.
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| THAT'S TOO FUNNY ! LMAO ,..are they your's?( got food?) |
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Sitasmom,
I just thought of something that might work for your situation. You can use those territorial e-zones in your son's room and create a safe zone for kitty. Instead of zapping dog for chasing cat, dog learns to just avoid the cat room, so issues like leaving the door open are okay. My sis does this with her A. cattledog and her daughter's cat. She is not what I would call dog savvy in any way, but loves to use technology. Supposedly somebody she paid gave her this solution. I'll have to ask her, but maybe you can wire the cat so the territory goes with her! This might work if you have other dogs who won't be staying for a long time but want to have the inside experience. |
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I have a baby gate up at the doorway to my son's room and so far its working. It seems that even though the dogs could jump it the don't. The cat comes down once and a while and stays on top of the refrigerator. The dogs are crated, Hanny is in her whelping box behind a closed door when we are away, and the cat has the run of the house.
This is working, but I'd love to get to the point where the dog doesn't want to actively seek and chase the cat - at least when I'm home.
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| Ninja181, love the tricker treaters...Can you show up at my house if I promise to hand out only healthy snacks and maybe a bone or 2. |
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| Well, I never had to use the E-Collar nor will I ever.. I have a really great trainers and used the reward way of training and it works wonder. It's get the dog to do what you want it to do out of love and not fear. There have been many great TV trainer, the Dog Whisper and the lady from it's me or the dog. They have done wonders even with the most aggressive dogs all by love and rewards. It sticks with them much better than the harsh way of training. But, I guess to each his own. I am greatful that my dog listens to me without having to shock the jibeze out of her. I have 2 cats and m GDS gets along very well with them and they are all in the house. The cats were here 1st and my dog was a puppy when we brought her home. Never a problem. They all lay by one another a snuggle. It is really adorable. The only thing I can't get my dog to do is stay away from the door when someone is knocking. She starts barking aggressivelly and then I have to hold her back to let the person in. Once they are in and she knows they are not a threat, she will be bringing them her toys and giving kisses. I just would like for her not to step off the carpet area and let me open the door without having to hold her back. |
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I can't help it but this is whats gonna happen if Hanny doesn't knock it off... I mean c'mon the cat can only take so much.
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I used to have an old outdoor tom cat. I had recently brought home 2, 6 month old working line sisters, and they thought it would be great to eat him.
only thing that ever worked for me with breaking the habit of them chasing my old cat was this:
I placed wide nylon collars on each girl and at least 20ft of line hooked to the collars. when they would take off after my cat, I would allow them to take 10-15ft of line, I would yell NO, then I would snap the line back in the other direction, sending both girls flying off their feet. they never linked the correction to me and it quickly broke them of the habit. they would watch him, but never took chase again.
not saying other people would aggree with this method, but it was told to me by an old breeder and it worked. I doubt I would try this on a 6 yr old dog, and definitly not a pregnant one. but it is an option for a young, hard headed dog. |
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we had a bit of a breakthrough last night.
Hanny and Catzilla smelled each other's noses........and no hissing, not running and no chasing......I had Hanny's collar so she know that going after the cat was usless. Hanny didn't even try. Catzilla was able to slowly, very cautiously slink away. Hanny is still very interested. I would never trust Hanny or any of our other dogs alone with the cat. Lets hope that this trend continues. |
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Good for hanny.
We had Two cats and a Great Dane growing up. 1 black cat, wild as heck and 1 white cat was a cuddler, thought both cats hate each other and they both hated the Great Dane. Well white cat gets prego from Black cat and after kittens born the only one the White cat would let in the room was the DANE. Was to funny he would go in and lay across my bed and put a paw down there and then she would leave to go potty, eat, take a break. She left the Dane to babysit, and if he did not show up on time she would scream and he would go a running, Was very funny. |
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