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GRAPHIC Help Save Amanda Canyon Life ! /Houserhaus, Lorenzo Williams GRAPHIC !!! (200 replies)
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I want to take the time to THANK ALL OF YOU , the two dogs were put down , Adrie vom Bibelenfeld last night at 910pm and Amanda Canyon CS Today around 130pm today at my vet . I want to take the time to Thank Eruosport K9 ( Taunya Mravik ) for all their help today ,
just dont care anymore , I did this to save the dogs life , thats all ... I dont care what you all have to say or think !
I will live my life , and know I am a good person , I know what I did was the right thing and I just want the dogs to rest in peace , I and Eurosportk9 boar all the cost with the vet and the Cremation , I will send them back toTheir home lands to be laid to rest , Again thank you to all ,... and I wish you the best in life and sport
I only revised The original post to get this to end , the dogs have been put to sleep and its over and done with , I did not remove anything to cover up, I did ask for funds to get medical treatment for the dogs ( that would have been paid to the Vet not to me the dogs needed to be put down so I now did not need help for any medical treatment ) , I did find them via Craigslist. ( and have all of the Info and e-mails to show I did )
Yes Bob & Molly and others said they would take the bitches and get them the medical care they needed, ) and I thank you for that ,) But I did contact EurosportK9 at the same time I posted the original post , After geting Amanda into the vet Eurosportk9 and I and the vet thought it would be best for her to be put down so we did , There was no way in hell that the dogs would have made any kind of trip out of state , Thats how bad they was , So that is why I did not call you all to take them , I was asked to ship them to eurosportk9 in TX and my vet told them they could not be shiped ,
I did ask for help and I got help in the amount of $52.00USD from Eurosportk9 , I paid the other 52usd to the vet for Amanda to be put down , I also have paid 100% of the vet cost for the other female to be put down , $172.00 USD and for the Cremation of the two dogs 175USD Each for a total of $626.00-$52.00 paid by eurosportk9 , so that gives me a total of 574.00USD paid by me for dogs that I just got off of Craigslist ...I have all copies of the vet paper work and everyhing .. I have pictures and video .. I am just sick of some of you saying I did this .. I did not and I have 100% proof of all of this. I got the dogs to the vet as soon as I could and did what needed to be done .. if you dont like that then oh well .. I am not on here asking for you to beleave me or be my friends .. I just asked if anyone could help .. Well Eurosportk9 did and I thank them for that .. I was not going to let the dogs suffer one more min .. so one of you could come here after a 4 or 5 or more drive .. so you could help I did what was needed to be done .. Thank you Timothy Helser
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Call me now 260-460-7242.
My work # is 260-244-6105
I,ve been searching for this dog for over a year I had her at my home again call me now I will take her in a heart beat and if I ever Catch Lorennzo I,m going to beat his ass into a pulp PLEAE CALL ME.Lorennzo doesn,t even own this dog a Fine lady in Minnesotta does. I,ve bred to this female. |
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Someone needs to be taken behind the barn and horsewhipped. That said, mammary cancer in dogs can spread to other vital organs like the lungs, which in this case has probably happened. You might want the vet to do some tests, before you put this beautiful dog through surgery.
Sometimes the most humane route is euthanasia.
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Micky is being brutatlly honest but factual, I should of never given this dog back toi Lorenzzo. If your out there reading this Don,t let me get close to you you peice of shit... I,ll find Lorennzo.
The last time I heard from this dog she was given to a women in canada with a tube of seman from Koos Hassings dog.
No I,m sick to my stomach... |
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Bob- I hope the person with the dog calls you. How sad and vile that someone would do this to this dog. I hope you can get her back. Please keep us all posted on the outcome.
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sounds like there are people (Bob?) willing to take this dog and take care of her - she may need surgery, or euthanasia - but either way what she really needs is care and love for the remainder of her life no matter how short or long it is. If noone else will take her and take care of her needs, I will. My e-mail is eichenluft@aol.com older retired breeding females should be cherished for what they have done for us and our breed, not discarded like trash.
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This female has givien her bit for god and country she should be eating treats and warming the sheets which she did when I had her.
I,m afraid this is my fault for not keeping her. |
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Well Bob you've really done it this time.You now have my COMPLETE AND UTMOST RESPECT, I SALUTE YOU.
Say anything you wish to me in the future about dogs and I will listen without taking offense,because I know it comes from the HEART. Michael |
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| You can not blame yourself, we all have woulda, coulda, shoulda's in our life. You do the best you can with the information you have at the time. Be thankful you had a chance to get to know her, and gave her time in a loving home. Morn her, her situation, but do not blame yourself. |
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I will call all of you that want me to ... But it will be later on today .. the dog is going to the vet ASAP right now !
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I have experienced mammary tumors for several years; here is what I have found out about them. That particular tumor has gone crazy, I seriously doubt that any vet is going to be able to remove that large of a tumor without taking so much of the dog that the incision cannot be closed up. That is the problem with letting something like this go.
Unfortunately, I recently lost a bitch with a tumor the size of a dime when they went in, they could not get it all and 13 months later it was back with vengence and it could not be removed again as they had to be too invasive the first time. This is about the 10th bitch that I have had with mannary tumors(Samoyeds) and I have learned that instead of putting them through a major surgery, sometimes it is easier to say good bye and let it go. I am sorry to bring you this news, but it is about how much beloved dogs can withstand; and how fair is it to put them through it. Farewell is much kinder and way less painful for the dog(s), Nanci. |
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That is terrible that someone can let this happen to an animal. Another embarrassing behavior coming from a "human" or should I say "Sub human".
Someone needs a broom stick shoved way up their asses for allowing this dog to suffer in such anguish and to let this medical to contuine.
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| I have watched this amazing female for so long and have admired her from far and now i am crying at what they have done to her.This is not acceptable and i would love to have the job to to kick the shit out of these shit heads.Lorenzo you are an ass hole,i will pray for same to happen to you.AMEN.pLEASE TELL ME WHERE TO SEND YOU MONEY TO HELP.i AM EXTREMELY SAD ,I USED TO TELL ALL MY DOGS BUDDIES ABOUT THIS FEMALE.I WILL PREY FOR HER. |
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Another Schhutzhund scum bag.
Dont people ever tire of this crap?
Will SchHUSA ever Police its members? Its Breeders?
Screen membership? Fine or Ban idiots like Lorenzo, Helser et al?
Im a member of the VDD-with its parent club in Germany.
They would NEVER Tolerate this nonsense. Its ridiculous, beyond that really. Only a few dogs of thousands bred were givenup to shelters and they were quickly rehomed by the club. Tattoos help to that end.
SchH USA needs to clean up its act, all board members and leadership Replaced ie THrown Out, until there is a plan in place to deal with fools like these and have a committment to ethics, principles, responsbile club members.
Placing dogs with crack heads, amongst other things doesnt cut it.
BobMc....Good on you
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I will pay for information on the were abouts of this dog Adrie vom Bibelenfeld who I mistook for this dog Amanda, Adrie is another dog Lorennzo got his hands on... Although Amanda isn,t who I thought she was my feelings and concern are still the same. I await to hear of her condition the person who has her now will contact as soon as she knows anything... Also I,d like to talk to the person who had this dog in there basement obviously they have contact # for Lorennzo I,d like to make CONTACT with him also... I know in my bones he still cruises this web site...
These dogs deserve better from us, or myself... |
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So did Eurosportk9 sell this dog to Lorenzo? Or did he purchase her from someone else? Is Eurosport affiliated with this Lorenzo Williams person?
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What a horrible thing to happen to such a beautiful creature. I'm afraid that this stoic bitch is going to be PTS today and her suffering will at long last come to a merciful end. She can wait patiently at the rainbow bridge for her revenge.
Lorenzo,
We know you're reading this post. Why don't you come visit me here in Kansas. I'm sure I could find ways to entertain myself with you that would suit many others on this site. You are scum and don't deserve to live unless of course you are confined in a too small crate in my basement. Then you would live the kind of life you so richly deserve. Trust me on that one you filthy rotten bastard!
I hope your guts are burning with incurable cancer and your life blood is pouring out of your ass. 
Most sincerely!
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Oh, Lord in heaven, how horrible.
Thank God you went and got her. Her look of stoic patience is heartbreaking.
Bless you, bless you, bless you. There's gotta be a special circle in hell for the man who did this.
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This just sickens me and I truly hope this girl makes it but that wound looks awful and she may not be able to recover. I will be praying this girl does make it through. This gorgeous girl was bred and bred and then she was thrown in a crate and now look at her. I have a big problem with big name kennels that also could give a shit about the the dogs after they are done producing, they just want to sell them to anyone that has the money and no regards to where they wind up. I prefer the smaller breeders that keep their older females forever or make sure they find a wonderful retirement home to live out the rest of their days.
I will have to add and this will most likely piss alot of people off and emotions are flying right now but that Lorenzo (yes he is scum from what I read about him though never met him and hope I never will) left this dog in someone elses's care for a year so the blame of the dog's condition falls on the crack head that had her for the year, he is also scum and should be beat to a pulp. Lorenzo should have gotten the dog when he was asked too but we all know he could care less about animals, I am sure the dog would not have been cared for by him either but according to the first post Lorenzo did not have the dog in his possesion when the poster picked up the dog.
If Lorenzo or the scum that had this girl is reading this post I hope you both rot in hell and what comes around goes around.
Bless you for taking this beautiful girl and giving her a chance.
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Is this the guy? http://www.myspace.com/houserhaus
No activity on the page in over a year. (I have not checked LinkedIn or Facebook).
Denise is right to point out that the dog was under someone else's care. And was listed on Craigslist? As a giveaway?
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Please keep us updated on her condition, I can't stop thinking about her.
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Well from several messages and a phone calls I just recieved both dogs were put down today. I mean both because I was Informed Adrie was also found with her in deplorable condition.
I make this pledge before GOD himself "If I ever get in arms reach of Lorenzo Williams I will end his life with my own hands around his throat" I swear to God. |
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So sad..........rest in peace Amanda and Adrie. I sure hope these sickos get what they deserve.
Denise |
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I did not know these dogs or people but I saw a video of Amanda on YouTube, RIP.
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Does anyone know who/ where these dogs were found? Can someone notify the local animal control? Who ever did this should rot in hell!
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SO SAD..........
So both dogs were with this shit head in Columbus? Your time will come Lorenzo, someone will find your ass walking the streets.
Adrie spent time with me during the G-Litter, what a sweet dog.
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Rescue K9
Can you post the link from Craigslist?
I just tried to look for it but no luck.
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Rescue K9, thank you so much for getting these girls to the Vet to end their suffereing that was inflicted by a human that needs to be put away. To whoever Lorenzo is, you put these wonderful dogs in the care of some crack head, you are also responsible you low life.
May the dogs who have gone before Amanda and Adrie greet them with love and kindness and help them wash away the horrible horrible thing that were done to them. Run free pretty girls.
Bob, it SUCKS that there are such horrible people in this world, but you can't blame yourself.
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I am crying so hard I can not even see the screen. I am so sorry and glad they are now without pain.
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long time site surfer, new "registered" user...
i find it so horrifically ironic that the day i signed up as a user to place an ad to find a retired sport/breeding female and offer a forever home that this gets posted.
i don't know lorenzo, nor do i know the cretin that had the 2 dogs, but may karma take you both down.
there was NO reason for this! there are many people out there like myself who would willingly and happily open our homes to a dog. people like us that no longer wish/can trial/train just want a nice dog that deserves a great home. we don't want one for "one last litter" etc..we just want a nice dog that has a few years on them. not everyone can handle a dog that has done bitework, so it's people like myself and many others that come to places like this, and put the word out to various competitors that we want a dog to hold down our sofa's.
how absolutely tragic...this just goes beyond words, but sadly this is what happens to many of these dogs, they get used up, then they are not wanted by their "owners".
may these 2 dogs and others like them rest peacefully now..at least at the end, these two were shown mercy and compassion.
i hope that the subhumans responsible for their condition are not shown the same!
signed,
one sour old bitch
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| If there is anything I can do to help you find this piece of ... please don't hesitate to contact me. We need to make sure this man is not breeding dogs ANYWHERE. Were you able to notify the authorities so charges could be made against the crackhead that left the dog in these conditions? |
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Bob and RescueK9, I'm so very sorry.
There's nothing else I can possibly say except I'm so very sorry and that these dogs knew KINDNESS and GENTLENESS and HELP as their last knowledge of people, and that is a good thing. You DID save them, RescueK9. You did.
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| I'm weeping for these sweet shep girls. I was accused of being abusive for using a snug fitting pinch collar by a groomer at Petco- This is abuse, this makes my heart ache. This makes me so sad and so angry I feel ill. |
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Bob, original poster. or any one else...
Let me know where I can send some finances to help these dogs.......I'd be more than happy to contribute.
Robin
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RIP
ADRIE
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AMANDA
Your suffering is over now. Thankfully you felt loving hands when the decision to end your pain was made. At long last, you had hands that caressed you and let you know that you were loved. I am so sorry that mankind brought you pain and caused you grief. Rest easy sweet companions. Those who abused you will not be there at the rainbow bridge. We will stand guard against their entry and protect you as we should have done on this side.
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That is the most terrible thing i have seen in neglect of an animal, Bob i know you need no help to deal with this Lorenzo filth when you find him. But i would gladly get on a Plane and put an end to him myself if his address is known
For sure if i lived over there i would hunt him down for certain, But he will get his come uppance for sure the cretan is a real scumbag
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Oh my God......I just completely read thru the entire post......I am so sorry.
Poor dogs....
I can't even find words to type...............sorry.
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Did the crackhead "Bill" have the dogs? Is that where you picked them up? If so you obviously have the address and the vet records stating the 2 dogs conditions. Do you plan on filing cruelty charges with the local animal control or police? I would think that given the condition of these dogs you would.
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What a dreadful story. The thought of that dog kissing your face as she crossed the Bridge - I just can't stand it.
Thank you and Taunya for all you have done. Writing an article for Schutzhund USA is a wonderful idea. Bright sunlight makes the mold go away. It will be good to shine light on this.
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What horrible scumbags!!! A known breeder like Lorenzo Williams, what a disgrace to the GSD breed.
My weeping heart goes out to dear old Amanda Canyon aged 9 yrs and Adrie vom Bibelenfeld aged 8 yrs who are now both humanely put to sleep. Although it was late to save them, it was still a stroke of luck that RescueK9 discovered them. These dogs have soul. May they RIP.
I am very sorry Bob that you have to hear about these dogs in this way. It must be shock horror to many owners of their offsprings and also the people who know these dogs personally to discover the tragic conditions these dogs had to suffer. Bless.
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RescueK9, thank you for all you did. Putting them to rest peacefully with a caring hand was the right thing to do.
Taunya, thank you as well. I can't say enough good things about these folks. They do truly care about their dogs.
Bob, my condolences. I feel your pain.
An article in the USA mag would be great. Perhaps WDA, AWDF and other groups would run one as well.
Perhaps USA or AWDF would offer a special Adrie and Amanda "In Memoriam" trophy to be given to the breeder most actively promotes rescue, responsible ownership, etc. Award to be chosen by the membership. Just a thought, but I'd sponsor it for sure.
It is very sad, I work with two rescue groups. The very nice well bred dogs that come through are amazing. WHY in God's name is a TITLED, SURVEYED dog in RESCUE? WHY are SO MANY dogs that are obviuosly out of working and German show lines in rescue, on craigslist or in pounds? Of all the dogs I get called about, I have had ONE breeder step up and take the dog back. AGAIN, a huge thank you to that breeder. Breeders please think about this. These are your dogs and pups off your dogs.
Off my rant now.
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While I think what you did was admirable, no matter how bad the area, no self respecting dog lover would walk away and not make sure charges were filed. Crackhead or not he would be charged, not sure what that has to do with anything. You can certainly file charges without being at the property. Not bashing you, but something isn't sitting well me. Unfotunately your past "reputation" does proceed you.
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mking, how many dogs have you driven, who knows how far for and saved? Sheesh. Just say thanks and leave it at that.
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I did say thank you, and do admire what he has done. Perhaps you are not familiar with this person and the scams he has pulled in the past. I hope for his and everyone elses sake the leopard has changed his spots. I work in a vet hospital so I see this kind of abuse on a daily basis. I don't need to drive to see it.
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Send me a copy of the euthanazie cost bill from the vet
Bob McKown
2580 W Lincoln Way
Columbia City IN 46725
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Timothy- Thank you for what you have done for these dogs. I am glad to hear that you are in contact with the proper authorities. Please do let us know what they plan to do, hopefully charge these people to the fullest extent. Please understand, I was not looking to bash you, just leary is all.
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Red Sable;
Maybe you should talk to Nate Harves about Tim. I know you know him since you have a pup from him! Let him fill you in! |
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Dear God in heaven, that poor dog.  |
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| Thanks anyway VWang, but I am not interested in heresay or gossip. I'll judge people by how they treat me. We all know how gossip can spread like wildfire and that the truth is never sufficient. The story gets better every time. |
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Some of those pictures are from dogs NOT belonging to you, I know this for a fact, NOT hersay! I know and have seen these dogs in person. Stop claiming all of these dogs are yours and stealing pictures that don't belong to you. Nevermind not returning dogs you had at your place for training to their rightful owners. NOT hersay or GOSSIP either!
I feel for Adrie and Amanda and both deserved better then they got, but what you did today is no redemption of what you have done to others people and their dogs in the past! |
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| Tim I,ve sent you what I want, I will make my decision on how you have acted after this is over so far what you have said seems to be factual in this instance. Don,t blow it by starting the pissing match you said you did,nt want to start on the phone. I,ll judge you by the way you handle this, so far so good. I,ll come get Adrie and bury her here at my home with my dogs that have gone before. I,ll call the vet you posted and confirm charges and arange payment and pickup of the dog I can supply the tatoo # to confirm. Deal with me on the up and up here. |
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So very, very sad. I am outraged how any individual could let our best friends go like that!
They deserve far worse then they will get! Bob, don't take matters into your own hands! For then you will not be able to help the next time.
Rescuek9, Thank you for helping and putting their suffering to an end. May they rest in peace! |
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| I don't know Tim from adam,all I know is what I read on this forum and a few other places.I would however like to see the add that was posted on craigslist,I'm sure there was nothing said about the shape of these two dogs.Therefore it would suggest to me that they might have been rescued for an entirely different reason.I think a number of people would answer the add with hopes of getting these two dogs for free,even if they had to make a fairly long journey to do so.Tim if your in this as you say,I apologize in advance, but 2 & 2 are not coming up 4 for me.To the rest of you on this board i'm glad the dogs are out of their misery,no matter how it came about, but this whole story as told doesn't feel right to me.I'm sorry I just don't buy it as told.Think about it this way, how long do you think dogs of any value would remain with a crackhead,they would have been sold or traded for crack before the owner was out of sight |
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"I think a number of people would answer the add with hopes of getting these two dogs for free,even if they had to make a fairly long journey to do so."
Yes, a lot of people would, and then as soon as they saw the condition of the dogs they would've said no thanks and walked right out the door and gone on their merry way.
You don't see a 9yo dog like the one in those photos and say gee, I'm getting a nice dog for free. You know immediately that the prognosis is almost certainly fatal and you're going to be paying out a lot of money in very short order.
Whatever motive, an act of mercy was done today and the dogs are at peace now and not spending one more night in pain and loneliness in a small crate in a basement. May all the OTHER dogs in the world spending a sad, lonely, painful night tonight soon find mercy and relief as well.
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| michael49 my thoughts exactly! Rest in peace Adrie and Amanda. I'm done here! |
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This whole thing is going to give me nightmares. I wish an ugly death on whoever's fault it is.
--Jackie |
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I personally do not think this thread should be highjacked. Whatever Tim has done or not done in the past, is not what took place in this moment of time. there are people on this board who loved those dogs and should be left alone to grieve for them and what they went thru.
Out of respect for the DOGS who did not deserve this type of treatment, please take it to another thread If you want to bash/speculate/defend yourself. |
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Seems there were a lot of individuals involved with the mistreatment of these 2 Bitches. Wasn't Adrie in Alaska for a while? Everyone used them up and didn't give a damn who had them after they used them! Poor dogs.....some big name people are involved!
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| Tessj10, I agree with what you are saying if you read all my post you would see that.I added a bit more to the post,go back and read it again and think real hard about it .There are people involved here who stand to gain by this act of mercy.Maybe not in dollars but in forgiveness from the dog world in general.I stated that I was glad that the dogs were out of their misery,but I don't buy the story as told It's a totally different crack head then I've ever heard of if this story is true.You think what you wish. |
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I agree with 1doggie2,
I don't think it's appropriate right now to highjack a thread for the sole purpose to start up trouble for what happen in the past. This post is exclusively made for Amanda and Adrie, lets keep it that way.
Timothy,
I sent you a PM, please read it and then pursue it.
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For God's sake people do not buy into this. What ever you do..........
DO NOT SEND THIS PIECE OF CRAP ANY MONEY!!!!!!!!!
This has classic Helser scam written all over it. Why would he only scan the vet bill for the "remaining" $52 of the bill and not the actual bill itself?
I have personally delt with this douche-bag. Short version to a long story. My ex-girlfriend had a bitch shipped directly to him from Europe. He bred the bitch who was in deplorable condition. No person in their right mind would have bred this bitch. But he did, collected the stud fee (on a dog he did not own) and was unable to furnish the paperwork. My ex-girlfriend lost about $6000 on the deal, not to mention the suffering the bitch went though having to go through a pregnancy and whelp a litter in the condition she was in.
When I picked up this female from the airport, I wanted to book a flight to Ohio and slap the sh@t out of this loser.
This guy has a long standing history of scamming people for money and unethical treatment of animals.
Tim Helser never ceases to amaze me.
Please people don't buy into this and don't send this guy a freakin dime!
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Tim,
Please check your PM box, I sent you one as well. I was not joking. I'm working on a letter to USA at this moment. Can you please send me or post some type of proof that the dogs were in fact Amanda and Adrie? Anything that can positively identify them that I can include with my letter. Get back to me at your convenience.
Thanks.
Jennifer
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| This is all seemingly off...way off. Not trying to hijack, I feel extremely sorry for the dog in the picture. Lots of red flags going up on this op though. |
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I have Adries tatoo# and DNA profile but if she has been creamated already this is a moot point. Whether people worked peoples dogs in the past has nothing to do with this instance there are too many stories and rumors going on here.
Tim:
Get me the paper work from the vet that worked on Adrie and I,ll go from there. I,m tired and dealing with a massive headache right now I will call you tomorrow.
At one point Lorenzo was putting together some intresting breedings and made some good dogs but then it all went to hell and instead of doing the right thing he destroyed him self and some good dogs that did,nt deserve to be treeted the way they did and that is what makes me so angry we are supposed to be here to look out for the welfare of these animals to show good goverence of the breed but all we hear about is people fucking each other as hard and often as possible.
For gods sake it,s about the dog, bottom line end of story... this is probably why i won,t breed very often I,ve had people want to breed to my Axel often but I feel responsible for puppies that I helped create and I can,t take the drama or worry about them ending up with crackheads,walking whelping box,s, or beaten by "pro trainers".
Whether these animals met there demise as stated or thru some other attrition there better off now then they were.
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Thank you for helping the dogs..
This entire situation is intolerable and untenable. What was done to these dogs was criminal and the whole lot of people involved, wannabe White Knight and all, should be prosecuted...or just tarred and feathered. I am not impressed by jumping on here on a "good will mission", without identifying yourself, until virtually outted. Asking for money, but dogs put down when others say THEY will take them and do what is necessary. SSDD
This "aint" a sit com, so "redemption" doesn't come that cheaply. Helser and Lorenzo both should be burned at the stake. I hope rabid raccoons bite them both, preferably the same rabid raccoons. Both are deserving of that Ninth Ring in Hell, reserved for the worst sinners. You know, the one for those who betray.
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This is all getting way off base here. Too much editing going on.
This isn't about Tim, it's about Amanda and Adrie.
I'll say this, I've read this thread several times. Every post, every word.
Tim asked for help originally in paying for a vet bill to have surgery done to help the dog.
Since then, he's had the dog put down. He's said he still owes the vet $52.00.
He's posted a copy of the vet bill for an office visit and euthanasia costs. Total $104.00, paid $52.00, Balance due $52.00.
All this is shown on pic of the vet's bill along with the vet's name, address and phone number.
There's no surgery on the dog so his request for help with vet costs is no longer relevent.
I haven't read anywhere that Tim's asked anyone for any more money beyond his very first post.
That said, no Tim doesn't have a very stellar reputation in the past. I do hope he does as Bob has asked him to do.
I remember all the drama about Tim and quite frankly, right now, I don't care one way or the other.
What I do care about is that this dog was suffering and someone had the decency to do right by her. Again Tim, thank you.
I care about the fact that she was ever allowed to be treated this way. I don't give a damn who did it, how it happened, or how Tim got ahold of her.
This should not have happened to this dog PERIOD. And we should all, as people who supposedly care about the breed do something to make sure it doesn't happen again. Stop being the silent majority and start being the loud majority.
If everyone here would start bitching to USA, AKC, WDA, etc. and quit bitching on a message board something would get done about it.
Just my .02
Tim, my offer stands.
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The more I read about the "sport" of Schutzhund, the more gossip and slagging personal shite I see posted on these boards, the more arguments I see about who did what to whom, and now that I've seen what happens when dog owners own dogs for the purposes of so-called "sport" or "working dogs" - the more firm I am on my personal opinion - that those "working dogs", those "titled dogs" - can so easily become nothing more than commodities. As I sit typing with my beautiful friends, my pets, my never-to-be-titled child substitutes, watching my fingers typing sitting right by my side - that dogs - ALL fucking dogs, in my ever stronger growing opinion - should be pets first. Without that distinction, they become nothing more than commodities to be bought sold and possibly abused, because the emotional bond is not made.
That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
Thank you to the rescuer of those poor dogs.
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Micky D,
I hope the vet would say that. I know a few though that would not have and would have operated on the dog anyway just to line their own pockets. No, she had no hope to be saved and the kindest, best thing was done for her. I think you were absolutely right in your first post.
Me personally, I would have handled it very differently from the get go. I'd have gotten the dog in my car and gone to the nearest open vet's office and had her put down right then. No question, no doubt. And I don't mind saying that if I couldn't have found a vet, I would have shot her before I let her go on that way.
She was suffering and I'd dearly love to get my hands on someone for that. But I'd want to get my hands on the right person. There is a special hell for people like that.
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I have worked many, many dogs over the years for many, many people. The fact that someone I had no business dealings with visited our club years ago to breed a female to a male in the club and as that clubs helper I was asked to stand in a blind for a bark and hold in no way means that I did any business with that person or am associated with them in the least.
I work hard for my reputation, and I don't appreciate it bashed for standing in a blind for a bark and hold.
If you believe this thread was about the concern of this animal, it was not. This is the work of a well documented 100% known con man with a hidden agenda unfortunately playing on the emotions of good people who feel terrible about an event like this, as they should.
The only important thing here, is that I am very sorry that this dog was so obviously neglected by someone. There is no excuse for treatment of any animal like that and it absolutely sickens me. I knew when I saw the picture that the humane thing was to euthanize this poor, poor animal. It is so sad to me that someone thought so little of this suffering animals life that they allowed this to go on. This did not happen over night. Looking at that picture, someone purposely turned an eye from this animal for a long time and ignored what must have been the obvious cries of pain. I would like ten minutes alone in a room with the person capable of doing this to an animal...
There are special places in hell for people like this.
Nate
(Post Edit: The original post and pictures have since been removed by Helser as of 09/18. After trying to raise "vet bill" money and "trophy donations" for two dogs he had already put to sleep for neglect they potentially received in his care, he posted a video of the dog doing a bark and hold on me years ago under a previous owner and inferred I was somehow connected with this dog or that owner, which I was not. After being confronted about it, he repealed what he said, and admitted in writing their was no connection. He then removed his posts when it was learned his original story of having found the dogs on Craigslist and being such a "good person trying to save them" was indeed false.)
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"I know a few though that would not have and would have operated on the dog anyway just to line their own pockets."
I know a rescue group (non-GSD) who would have made the vet do surgery, because they believe in a no kill philosophy. I don't believe in making an animal suffer because the person responsible just can't let go. It happens more than people think in rescue circles. Of course the people mean well, but it's the dog who pays in the end.
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Luvdemdogs -- I am in Total agreement with your post above. At least these dogs are at peace / no pain now. |
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| Rescue have you been in contact with anyone about sponsoring a trophy? |
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Often times I get so angry and focused on educating unknowing people about unethical criminals in the dog world, my zeal defeats the purpose.
Nate and I are on the same page most of the time so thanks for articulating my feelings on this subject much better than I did.
In the end is supposed to be about the dogs and thank God this poor animal is not suffering anymore.
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Yes the Dogs are at peace now, but not for the scumbags who ill treated them i wish them long pain filled life and untold misery, and it will happen at one time or the other things have a way of coming around
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Okay folks:
This has absolutley nothing to do with SchutzhundUSA,WDA,DVG and any other 3 or 4 letter abbrevated orginization. It has nothing to do with who worked who,s dog at some point in history, trying to pull in peoples names Like Nate Harves and Mike Diehl is bull shit these 2 men are upstanding in my book and are above reproach.
The "sport" of schutzhund has nothing to do with this. Can,t you all see? it has to do with people treating dogs with respect and repaying there loyalty with dignity,honor,depth of feeling!!!
Sponsoring trophies,announcements all adds up to a hill of beans in a tornado.
The culprit is human nature we all are bound by it we are all tied to each other by it we can,t run away from it it is us.
I don,t know what the build up to this story was or is and in the end the truth will get beat up knocked around debated,challenged and brushed aside for more larger well painted drama.
We will be judged by our deeds and how we treat those around us but that is for future minds to debate we are here and now.
I will wait for the info I requested to be delivered. Past deeds don,t melt away because of one act of honest compassion(I hope this turns out to be the case) the future there will answer our questions of right or wrong.
In the end 2 dogs are now no longer amoung us after obvious suffering and waste.
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I wish I never opened this thread! I don't even want to imagine the condition of the other dog, if she was worse off than Amanda, so much so that she was put down first.
This thread fizzled like a undone balloon once the OP named himself. Sorry but I can't believe it went down like that loving story, with the compasion and licking at the end. We are talking about a master of deception. A person who lies ontop of lies and does a great job of being believable. I've been lied to, more times than I care to count and so has GARD. Now I know this person hasn't changed at all, when he lied yet again about breeding a dog of mine, right here to try and cover his own ass.
I think the thing that gets me most is his bold red font and then bright yellow hilight over his name when he finally posted it, after saying he didn't do it for fame or recognition. Hello people, he boldened his name for recognition. Same scumbag, different tune.
The only thing this thread has made clear for me, is that Lorenzo Williams now resides in the same file as Tim Helser. That would be the "Choke on site" file.
It's truly unfortunate what happened to these dogs, some people shouldn't be allowed to own them, Helser included. I'm 100% sure he was looking for Amanda to breed her and make a profit. Tim's just a nitwit after fame and fortune in the dogworld, trying to grab "legendary" dogs, when he can get his greasy hands on them. Whoever pointed out that he posts pics of dogs, that are not his, is absolutely correct. After screwing me over on my breeding, I moved on, bought a working line pup about a year after the mess with Xabina and he posted a pic of my Baden on his site, claiming he was a pup out of one of his breedings. The lies the deception, they don't stop, we only get breaks from their exposure. All I see is that the bullshit is back on this board unfortunately. Those of you who want to disreguard the warnings, go ahead and fall hook line and sinker. I have seen it happen time and again, then when it goes sour you will be PMing me and others for info on this guy. Trust me, I have typed up things sent to a lawyer, requested by another lady screwed over breeding her bitch to Tim's Taz.
Bottom line, we know these dogs are gone from this world and their suffering has ended. Lets pray for their souls but don't let your heart fall for the asshole trying to play the hero.
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Instead of putting your monies into a trophy every year at the Nationals, why don't you donate a decided amount to a local german shepherd or Malinios rescue?
Trophies will not bring these girls back (what they will do is give a PERSON some glory for doing the deed) but money placed in the hands of resuces WILL help dogs in need and POSSIBLY PREVENT some dog from the same sufferage as Ardie and Amanda! Rescues often times turn down dogs because they have no finances......maybe if Lorenzo thought a rescue could have taken these girls they may have been able to have more time to be on this earth and possibly, Bob, Ardie could have found her way back to you, possibly!
The TRUE unsung herose, rescuers who do these things daily, are far more desperate for funding than USA, WDA, or DVG will ever be for trophy monies!
I am mailing my donation in Memory of Ardie and Amanda to the Tulsa German Shepherd Rescue today! THAT is money well spent as they are BROKE and the lady who runs it has cancer to boot!
Vickie
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First off I would like to say this is a tragedy what had happened to these dogs. Plain and simple.
Bob has made some good points so has Vickie.
I would just like to point out that Mr Helser has never contacted me about any trophies for our national event in Daveneport.
If a person wants to sponsor a trophy in anyone or any dogs name it can be done directly through myself .
Having said that I tend to agree with vickie We will have a rescue organation at our championship with a booth. If you would like to support a rescue group. The Missisippi German Shepherd Rescue will be at our event They can use your support
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| Someone should have been arrested. None of the reasons that didn't happen made any sense. I don't get why Tim thinks a crackhead can move and be immune from prosecution...show the captain the photos. That's all it takes around here. In one of our last big rescues, the mayhem made the Sheriff cry...and I don't mean the deputy. You can bet that guy went to jail. And he had moved for sure! It don't take that much effort to track down a skank. |
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OK folks.....There are certain names that keep appearing in this scenario! The dam of my Eich von der Berger Hochburg bitch, Yedda vom Karthago was once at Houserhaus.
Google her and follow the trail of litters and kennels that bred them! Eurosport K9 might own her now if they haven't sold her.! |
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Whoever has the ability to do this: please make sure someone is prosecuted for this.
Pretty much any time animals are treated as commodities, this sort of thing will happen. Not with all of them, but it just seems to be part of the "scene". I've seen it with racehorses...once they're done racing off to the slaughterhouse they go, unless they're the horses that make the big bucks and can be put up for stud or kept as a brood mare. This is actually how people make money in racing....I guess it's the same in the dog world. It's really depressing that I keep seeing this sort of thing in supposedly different venues. Different animals, same purpose: money.
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I read this,
And have nothing to say.
Just gonna walk away.
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Helser, If you did what you said and you helped end those poor dogs' suffering then you did the right thing.
But you won't get anywhere with rebuilding your tattered reputation by taking pot shots at Nate Harves. That man has done more to preserve and protect the Working German Shepherd Dog than you'll ever know. Mud slinging at a great guy like Nate will get you nowhere. |
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I am on the Columbus Craigslist site everyday all day, that is how I make my extra cash and find good deals. I have 2 gsd and ALWAYS go to the pet section to look it over 3 or more times a day looking for cheap supplies. If I see a German shepherd ad I always open it and read it. NEVER did I see an ad like the one Tim is talking about. if you open the link he has posted on here it says "deleted" that means it was JUST deleted! so no proof there, just makes it sound worse for Tim. it would not surprise me in the least if he has had these dogs all along. I know that craigslist is full of people that are all about pets and will flag any ad that sound like a breeder or the fee is more then $100 for a dog or pet. I also know that no one would have walked away from these 2 dogs and done or said nothing to someone! it would have been all over craigslist that day if anyone ever saw these two dogs, and would have called the police!
Tim, I know quite a few people that you have ripped off. one is a very close friend of mine and you STOLE her dog and have a pic of one of her dogs on your site saying its your's that she still has and i see almost eveyday?! not alone and I know who the other person was involved. all you see these dogs for is a quick buck! but were to cheap to do right by these dogs and come on here with your hand out knowing damn well people would send you money or offer to pay for there care. I know if I found dogs like this I would pay in full and not ask for someone to flip the bill! and any good vet would not charge to do so!
your a fake and scam artist! and for you to keep trying to defend your self your just sounding more and more like a fake and just waiting to cover your own butt, not for the care of these 2 dogs! if you know what you did was the right thing you would feel no need to respond to any post. your last one should have been when you named yourself.
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I am going to go out on a limb and make a PLEDGE to all working dogs!
From this moment forward I will take ANY working dog in TRUE need of a home! These girls towed the line and lined some pockets and they did deserve better! Soooo, IF you get wind of a working dog that has been tossed aside and can assist in getting it to Oklahoma, I will let them live out their days here with me and I would feel blessed once again! I don't care to hear excuses if the dog is in poor condition, I will not be judgemental, just do the right thing if you don't want or can't keep the dog.
How does this sound?
Green Country Working Dog Assistance League
A Retirement Rescue for Working Dogs who have served Man, State, and country with Loyalty
This is far more diginified for our Loyal and Loving companions who had nothing in their hearts but unconditional love for their owners!
Vickie
www.PowerHausKennels.com
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Ok read the first few posts... kind of figured out what happened, but where is the original post or thread??
Bob, don't blame yourself... makes me wonder about that litter he had with Axel why they didn't supposedly have their "sexes", maybe she was already sick or who knows.
Yup a true piece of shit, he should have used the $2000(not counting the "G" litter dog that my friends I found the dog for DONATED to the Police department of New Westminister, British Columbia) he owes me to take care of the dogs.
I am sure glad I have my Bee and got her from him when she was young and in health.
Someone bitch slap him in his head for me. He doesn't deserve a proper punch.
If one could find his parents maybe one could find him... I know he said his mom lived in California, but I can't quite recall where she worked. It may come to me. I think he said his dad worked for BET?
A breeding bitch should be treated with the most respect possible, even when they decide to have a pup on your new couch... try getting that smell out:)
And yes he never owned Audrie... when I called AKC about the infamous "G" litter registration there was no hint of him ever being associated with the dog... how he got her who knows.
You would think if he stole her, the women would have contacted the authorities??
RIP Amanda and Audrie
Dan Juros
www.hausjuros.com
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Danny,
You can't find the original posts, complete with photos, because the SOB revised his original post to cover up, obviously. He came on, without identifying himself as Helser, asking for funds to get medical treatment for the dogs, he claimed to have found via Craigslist. Then, when Molly and others said they would take the bitches and get them the medical care they needed, VOILA--he's had them PTS.
And, I beg to differ with you my Canadian brother--he deserves a genuine ass-kicking. A bitch slap is totally inappropriate. |
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Nia,
Why not just surrender the dogs to a no kill shelter???
At least most of them have good vets that help them out
Probably best that they are passed now... instead of being mistreated
You know you are reading this Lorenzo. Karma will come back on you.
Dan Juros
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What goes around, comes around! Who ever let those dogs suffer will surely get it in the end! Hopefully!
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Wait...is THIS the guy??? (and there's more)
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| HELSER ET AL, TIMOTHY |
2007CVG00448 |
2007-04-05 |
Ray Lewis VS. Timothy Helser et al |
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1998-05-13 |
Rasor, Vera VS. Helser, Timothy Et Al et al |
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| HELSER, TIMOTHY J |
2008CVI00303 |
2008-03-05 |
WILLIAM J. WANKE VS. TIMOTHY J. HELSER |
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1996CRA01916 |
1996-08-05 |
2913.02A1 PETIT THEFT |
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2913.03 DR W/O CONSENT |
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2911.21A13 CRIM TRESPASS |
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Oh my, now that I have seen it, Bob do what you want to him.
Wow, the crack head deserves a good beating as well... you don't want to hear my take on drug addicts, most of them can't take care of themselves never mind a dog.
Poor dog... I remember a number of years ago when she was for sale... looking at that, I wish I would have bought her.
RIP
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I only revised The original post to get this to end , the dogs have been put to sleep and its over and done with , I did not remove anything to cover up, I did ask for funds to get medical treatment for the dogs ( that would have been paid to the Vet not to me the dogs needed to be put down so I now did not need help for any medical treatment ) , I did find them via Craigslist. ( and have all of the Info and e-mails to show I did )
Yes Bob & Molly and others said they would take the bitches and get them the medical care they needed, ) and I thank you for that ,) But I did contact EurosportK9 at the same time I posted the original post , After geting Amanda into the vet Eurosportk9 and I and the vet thought it would be best for her to be put down so we did , There was no way in hell that the dogs would have made any kind of trip out of state , Thats how bad they was , So that is why I did not call you all to take them , I was asked to ship them to eurosportk9 in TX and my vet told them they could not be shiped ,
I did ask for help and I got help in the amount of $52.00USD from Eurosportk9 , I paid the other 52usd to the vet for Amanda to be put down , I also have paid 100% of the vet cost for the other female to be put down , $172.00 USD and for the Cremation of the two dogs 175USD Each for a total of $626.00-$52.00 paid by eurosportk9 , so that gives me a total of 574.00USD paid by me for dogs that I just got off of Craigslist ...I have all copies of the vet paper work and everyhing .. I have pictures and video .. I am just sick of some of you saying I did this .. I did not and I have 100% proof of all of this. I got the dogs to the vet as soon as I could and did what needed to be done .. if you dont like that then oh well .. I am not on here asking for you to beleave me or be my friends .. I just asked if anyone could help .. Well Eurosportk9 did and I thank them for that .. I was not going to let the dogs suffer one more min .. so one of you could come here after a 4 or 5 or more drive .. so you could help I did what was needed to be done .. I have nothing to hide .. I am done talking about this .. its sad , lets let them rest in peace .. Thank you Timothy Helser
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Yup, thats him! Upstanding guy, right!??? Not
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I am REALLY curious as to what and why Eurosport keeps coming into this. What exactly is their connection to this situation? or dogs?
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| Danny,
If you read further down to Helser's next post, it screams why. This fool thought he could come at us with this " I am a good guy" story ....we'd all develope a case of selective amnesia and forget WHO he is. Now, it is possible that someone can have an extensive arrest record and it actually be a case of police harassment. It is also possible for me to turn into a tall, skinny blue-eyed blond with perfect vision next month. ...you know that's not going to happen!! LOL btw-- I DO know of a guy arrested 13 times with no convictions because police , shall we say, were mistaken. Really!! Each time, he WAS being a good guy, defending or protecting some woman (a stranger to him each time). But, he was also a career criminal with an extensive conviction record. The cops (who were very much acqauinted with him) just never stopped to remember that he never committed crimes against women. Burglary, theft, possession of stolen goods....even hitting a cop, yeppers! |
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| I haven't read the entire thread yet, so don't know what happened to the original post from Helser. (I saw it yesterday.) I found a cached copy--smacks of a scam to me. Also got the pictures. This is incredibly heart breaking...... |
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why Eurosport keeps coming into this. What exactly is their connection to this situation? or dogs?
as I said before....google these bitches plus Yedda vom Karthago and you'll see the connection. I believe they were all passing these girls around!
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The dogs were found and pts, which was an act of mercy. Nothing says you have to canonize the person who did this, but you can be thankful that it was done. EVERYONE has a chance for redemption.
As to a trophy vs. direct donations to rescue, of course the rescue donations are helpful, but I see the trophy as being more of a "never forget:" thing and a way of keeping this issue in the public eye (of the sport - not the general public).
I know a few breeders who simply pts the bitches once they aren't going to breed them any more. No rehoming, no living out their lives on the sofa, they go on that last ride and are euthanized, often as early as 6yo.
Many people find this deplorable, others don't. For those who do it, I'm sure they are glad they do because then they know without a doubt that their girls don't end up like Amanda and Adrie. Right?
For those who rehome, how many TRULY keep in touch? The first home could be great, but unless you actually see the dogs there later, they could be passed on and you'd never know it. And down and down they go.
The whole issue is up for discussion. These are large dogs, taking up a lot of space and feed, and today's living usually limits the # of dogs you can have. If you want to stay active in competing and breeding, within a very few short years your competition and breeding dogs will need to make way for your next competition and breeding dogs. With dogs that can live to 12 and up, what do people do?
This is a reality for competitors in sport and show, not just in GSD, but in all dog breeds.
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tessj10 do not try and make excuse for this dirt bag! Where was his "mercy" when he stole peoples dogs?! My friend misses her dog everyday as I'm sure others that he has done this to do as well!
and if people just discard there older dogs then they are also a dirt bag! No respectable breeder or dog lover would just dump there dogs once they are past there prime. |
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| There IS room for redemption for everyone. But, it is usuallly earned. Helser has a LOT of "good deeds" to do just to balance out the other crap. One merciful act is not going to do it. Sorry.
¶Personally, I still wonder how much of his latest story is even true. Someone has stated above that they check Craigslist regularly and never saw any ad for theses bitches. OF COURSE, the page Helser mentiones no longer exists. There was no tattoo verification. Who knows whether those bitches were left anywhere with a "mysterious crack-head." Helser has never enjoyed a reputation for absolute credibility before, so WHY take anything he says at face value? For all anyone knows, HE could have had these bitches all along. ¶
People on this forum, nutcases, political loonies, and reprobate racists aside, have proven to be INCREDIBLY generous to strangers (human and canine), sending money, computers, books, and offers of places to stay. Someone is bound to take advantage of that sooner, or later. |
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Personally, I still wonder how much of his latest story is even true.
1. Someone has stated above that they check Craigslist regularly and Never saw any ad for theses bitches.
2. OF COURSE, the page Helser mentiones No longer exists.
3. There was No tattoo verification.
4. Who knows whether those bitches were left anywhere with a "mysterious crack-head."
Bingo.
Its elementary, my dear Watson. Where there is Smoke, there is fire.
A fool and his money are soon parted, and those with big hearts are easy marks.
Can you smell whats Cookin?
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Stuff like this happens to dogs and cats everywhere, ALL THE TIME. A lot of humans are so, so cruel and breeders are no different. Instead of making trophies and writing useless letters, foster a rescue, or pay for the food for a rescue dog for a month.
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A parable to help some understand what has gone on here the last few days.
One day after a long spring rain a fox was walking the shore line of a river looking for a shallow place to cross, the rains had swollen the river and the current was more swift then normal. As the fox looked for a point of begining he happened across a scorpion looking for a way across the same river. The fox having known of scorpions for a long time took a wide berth around the scorpion as he passed the scorpion spoke, I need to get across the river friend fox could you help me? Now the fox knowing the nature of scorpions knew better then to get to close and the fox answered, I,m sorry scorpion every time someone deals with you it ends in pain and suffering you will need to find your own way across.
The scorpion spoke again, Friend fox I know in the past you have not trusted me yes I admit but just this time could you not see I am sincere in my quest? can you not see that together we can comlete this task we can help one another to surmount this obsticale and after, both will be the better for it?
The fox was caught off gaurd never before had the scorpion seemed so sincere so remorseful of situations before, the fox was truly touched and prehaps together they could benift each other. The scorpion offered that if the fox would only let him climb upon his back that he would whatch the far bank of the river and that way the fox could concentrate on the task of swimming. The fox was impressed and decided to take the scorpion up on his excellent idea of working together to surpase this obsticale. the fox knelt down and the scorpion crawled upon the fox,s back and high on to his neck ,the fox found his place to start and with a leap was in the midst of the flowing river. The fox swam as hard as he could making his way across the pounding stream he asked the scorpion, How far to the bank friend scorpion? oh just a little farther answered the scorpion. The current pushed back against the fox but with all his strength the fox pushed on, as they came to the center of the river the fox said gleefully Scorpion I think we will make it. Just at that moment the scorpion raised his tail and struck the fox with his stinger driving it deep into his neck, MY GOD said the fox in pain what have you done? you promised... The pain and venom filled the fox as his strength began to fail he slowly began to sink in the rushing waters, Why asked the fox,Why have you done this now we both shall die I trusted you?... The scorpion moved to the fox,s head and softly whispered in to the fox,s ear just as they were both about to slip beneath the waves, "I,m sorry friend fox it,s just in my nature"
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Mr Bob McKown.
I think you are trying to infer that a Leopard cannot change his spots?
As they say.....Once a CON, always a Con.
The silver lining is that There might be some retribution at hand. Or Forthcoming to said Perpetrator of this act.
Revenge is a dish, best served cold.
Those Dying dogs will be vindicated. I am sure of it.
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| I cannot find the cached page, the link kitkat provided only pulled up a header....but I don't know that I really need to see it, I've got a pretty good idea in my mind about this....a leopard doesn't change it's spots. This person has been trolling this board for a long time, & has concocted yet another way to rob the kind hearted people of this board. I hope to God that these 2 dogs are at peace...but my gut tells me differently. Any one able to verify any of this? Otherwise, this is internet fraud, a federal crime. The entire thread & any links to cached pages will be forwarded to the FBI. They will deal with it appropriately, I am sure. jackie harris |
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The dogs are dead now, what does it matter. Put all your bickering aside and think about the dogs, people! They are no longer suffering!
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kitkats link worked for me and that is just a horrible sight to see. That is serious serious suffering.
I cannot believe someone posted that dog on craiglist in that condition. If so, that person who posted the dog should be tracked down and brought to justice. Pronto.
Unless I'm not understanding the story right.
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The dogs are dead now, what does it matter. Put all your bickering aside and think about the dogs, people! They are no longer suffering!
Many more dogs will suffer the Same Fate, if left in the care of this Perpetrator.
Thats why it matters and that is What matters.
Justice and vindication for the suffering animals is important and does matter.
Its not bickering, its about Justice and bringing the person responsible who committed this action.
The FBI should indeed be summoned.
This is Federal vioalation (via Internet) to perpetrate a financial scam and is easily tracked. (wire fraud)
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I have put a post on the columbus craigslist for any info about this ad or if anyone had ever seen such and ad. so far all respones have been NO!
I have also contacted Craigslist about this with the link he had in his old ad in the hopes they can find the ip address and asked them to forward any info on to the police. |
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| For those of you willing to say OK the dogs are at peace now, what proof do you have that this is fact not just fiction.Maybe I missed something, but as of yet I have not seen concrete proof about any of the details stated here.The other thing that should drive you here, is to get to the bottom of this, because no matter what someone allowed this to happen to the dog in the picture regardless of who she was or was not. As of yet I've seen nothing of the other dog ,all I've heard are statements about her.Sink your teeth into this and hold on untill some semblance of truth is revealed, whatever or whoever is revealed in the process.Forget about monuments,trophys,use the combined resources of the dog world to track down and punish these people for the crimes they have committed. Thats the only way this barbaric injustice can ever be controled, not by compassion or forgiveness.I challenge the people of the dog world to unite and pursue this as a means to the end of this type of treatment by anyone,regardless of their status in the dogworld. Michael |
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| Wanna bet that Helser regrets ever starting this mess of a thread? :-)
¶Here's a hint to another of the criminally stupid: Helser! Next time you want to re-create yourself, just try being "normal." Actually participate/ enter a trial sometime (assuming a club will accept your entry). Failure isn't fatal, but it does build character. :-) But, dispense with the "Knight in Shining Armor" sceanarios. As you see, it does not play well. Maybe if you had actually FOUND Stacey Petersen....... |
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'Oh what a Tangled Web we weeve, when we practice to decieve.'
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I wanna know who posted the original craiglist ad .. if there ever was one.
Anyone find the cache ? If you did. Send it to me.
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KitKat,
Thanks for saving those pages! I was able to pull them up!
Helser gave the guy's Name and Address of where he went to get the 2 dogs in the original posts also!
Vickie
www.PowerHausKennels.com
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| If you coogle earth that address comes up a s a condomineaum across from a school. |
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If you google earth that address comes up a s a condomineaum across from a school.
Every Crackhead I know lives in a nice Condo that is across the street from a school..surely this cant be BS?
1680 Reinhard Ave, Columbus OH 43206
One can easily check Franklin County Ohio Courthouse online records for ownership regarding this home. |
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Reposting the pictures from the original thread, for those who can't see the cached page:
Here is the picture Tim took of Amanda after she had been euthaized, followed by a photocopy of the bill for euthanasia.
I think we can be sure he being honest about this.
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Maybe honest about putting this one to sleep but something was quacky in how he posted about Amanda and when Bob said he was looking for Ardie all of a sudden Tim piped up and said he had taken her too and had her euth.
Originally he said nothing about a 2nd dog and then poof there was Ardie but NO pics and NO further information on her to confirm he really had gotten her! There was a second dog! It almost made me wonder if he was screwing with Bob's emotions! This is the part that sounds MOST fishy to me. Maybe Tim had these dogs all along since the address doesn't check out and since the guy up and moved over nite and.............................sheesh....who knows!
Vickie
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That is a very bad part of town in Columbus, OH. A lot of ruff people around there. Here is the link on our auditor's web site. it is an apt units.
http://franklincountyoh.metacama.com/do/selectDisplay?select=SUMMARY&curpid=01002192600
This could be a start for the police to find the truth.
Tim if you know where you got this dog from why are you not going after them yourself? You have an address where you got the dogs from, so turn it over to the police and they will find this person...unless it's a friend and you do not want to get them into trouble.....
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IMO this story stunk to high heaven from the get go!!!!! The track record this man has should not be forgotten and at the very least his agenda has been extremely questionable. Along the way he has been very dramatic, covert, and has baited people including Nate Harves while attempting to appear the heroe. Only hope the ones responsible for the demise of Audra and Amanda including Lorenzo, pay some dear consequences. It is one heartbreaking story,
Barbara V Eichman, M.D. |
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Tim if you know where you got this dog from why are you not going after them yourself?
You have an address where you got the dogs from, so turn it over to the police and they will find this person...unless it's a friend and you do not want to get them into trouble.....
You answered your own question.
He didnt call the police, because he is the Perpetrator.
I once rescued a Cane Corso left to die in a garage, on a 2 foot tangled chain in mid winter with frozen water and no food. Skin and Bones. With maybe a day or 2 left.
The Cops and Animal Control (Humane Society) were called on the Owner, the Very Day I saw the dog.
And rehomed him to a friend on a farm with kids. (Happy Ending :)
My car was covered in dog feces, I had no crate-nothing. Dog sat next to me with the heat blasting to warm him.
And I never got on a board proclaiming myself as a savior or solicited funds from others.
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| Sunsilver,
I am anything but gullible.
I know any number of folks who can produce a bill for anything with a copier and a scanner. Most of them are 7 years old!!! Of the adults I know of who have done the same thing, a couple have also gone to prison for it. ¶Perhaps you need to review the man's criminal record and then, perhaps, develope a bit of discernment. There ARE people to whom one cannot give the benefit of the doubt, because they have richly earned suspicion.
As Doctor Barb said, this thread stunk from the get-go. Once Helser was unmasked, the smell reached knock-out level. Hell, it knocked HIS ass right off the board!! LOL |
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Oh I have MULTIPLE copies of this thread saved. Every last edit.
This dog is gone and thank God no longer suffering.
But you know what, Michael is right.
This wasn't the first bitch treated this way and it's still going on.
Go kick Steph some cash, you'll feel a little better cause she's able to feed another dog tonight. The next nice dog that runs through my rescues that got tossed aside like this, or next ruined young dog that I have to euthanize I hope some of you sleep better. Anyone want to help me with the next imbedded collar? The last one was a real nice black sable pup, Czech lines.
How about shut up and put up and actually DO something about it like Vickie offered to do?
If people would actually get together and do something, we might not make her the last, but we could make it far fewer.
But you know what, it ain't going to happen. We've built a nice throwaway society here, where it's all about "me" and money and there's no personal responsibility and far too few people willing to step up and try and make a difference anymore. Just for the hell of it and cause it's the right thing to do left this country a long time ago. The few folks left who really give a damn are crushed and shoved out by the ones that so crap for their own personal gain, recognition and ego. Nobody's getting their back patted and lots of atta-boys when it's really just for the dogs. So when it comes right down to it, no it ain't going to happen.
And dogs will keep suffering like this and people will keep right on sitting on their asses bitching and running their mouths and waiting for someone else to do it all for them.
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Mobjack- How dare you incinuate that anyone whos posted to this thread "does nothing" to help dogs. I get up every day and go to my job as a vet tech. I got news for you, this isn't just "schutzhund people", or show people. How about Joe Blow with the dog he doesn't spay so it has multiple litters, or the ass that "wants their kids to see the miracle of birth"? I also donate time and money to a local rescue and have dragged home so many needy animals I am surprised my husband hasn't divorced me.There were plenty of people on this thread willing to take the dog or donate money. You sound like a self righteous ass, most people on this board genuinely love their dogs and on more than one occassion have offered to take an unwanted dog, donate money etc. Yes Steph and Vickie are to be applauded for what they do, you on the other hand need to go find another board to spout your trash, you aren't even worthy to be in the same category as those two. They don't come here and insult and lump all breeders or competitors as having dogs for their egos. Just when I thought there could not be one more wingnut on this board, you rear your ugly head. Go crawl back under a rock.
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I don't know Helser personally, but based on what I know about him, wouldn't believe a word he said. I almost puked when I found out he was the original poster. Why didn't he identify himself immediately?
Just a few weeks ago on the local Craig's list someone posted very graphic pictures of an injured dog claiming they found it laying by the side of the road. They were asking for $1500 to save the dog's life. Turns out the same graphic photos were also posted on another website in another area of the country by another scumbag asking for money to save the same dog's life. This kind of a scam is right up Helser's alley' |
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| mobjack,Thank you for backing me up, all I know to do now is wait and hope that this will be taken in a serious manner and people that know something about this will step up and do the right thing. If financial donations were sought here, I have no doubt that it would come pouring in, but thats not what is needed. Just donate a little of your time and knowledege, do the right thing here, for the benefit of the dogs.Send your money to the rescues as mobjack suggested. |
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| I have to share MKing's outrage. A LOT of us support rescue, either directly (like Steph and Vickie) or indirectly by financially supporting those who do and/or the organizations. ¶Personally, I CHOOSE to direct my financial support to my local rescue organizations. So do many others on this board and on this thread. We neither seek, nor desire, your stamp of approval. |
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I have been following this thread with tears all day but also with gratitude for Bob. Molly vicly and others who care so much about these wonderful dogs. It hurts to see the pictures and to know that some breeders have their dogs PTS when they are no longer “useful”
I hope the people that let these poor dogs suffer like this are brought to justice so they can never do this again.
I also would be glad to, feel honored to give a loving home to an elder dog that no one wants.
I do not know much about GSD lines or pedigree, but have loved and owned these dogs since I was 14 ( 40 years) I have gotten most of my pups from recommended breeders because I want a better chance of having a dog with few health problems and a good temperament. I believe that if God came in the form of a dog it would be a GSD. ( No disrespect intended) My beloved Eli who helped me raise four children, stayed by my side during cancer died suddenly at age 9 this year ( I fear a neigbbir may bhave poisoned him ) and I am now raising Benny who I got from the same breeder as Eli ( Susan Solari at Hinterland). Benedict’s great grandma was Eli; Grandmother.
The breeder I got both Eli and Benny from truly loves her dogs. She has Eli’s mom who is 15, has cancer but is not in pain yet and many other retirees who she treats like queens, paying for medical attention, even surgeries they need. She told me that she prefers to “let God decide” and will only have a dog put to sleep when they are truly suffering. If I ever get another GSD I will make a point to see how they treat their senior dogs
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Get money together and call DOG the BOUNTY HUNTER and see if he can help..He may have an affliate in Tennesee area and Ohio that would take the job.....
BOUNTY ON LORENZO WILLIAMS.......................FOUND IN ONE PIECE
DELIVERED IN ANY FORM , FASHION OR CONDITION
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There is a DNA/DNR (do not adopt to/do not release to) site I could resurrect if people were into using it. We used to list people who should not own dogs but it kind of fizzled when the group owner vanished. Before she left, she made me queen for some reason. It's a yahoo group: http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/DNAorDNR/
Duh Lorenzo and Tim belong on it....
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Michael thank you for getting it.
MKing,
Where do you get off saying I'm some trash spouting wingnut that just reared their ugly head. You don't know me, you know nothing about me, or what I do or don't do. And I've been around here a lot longer than you have. I didn't say anything about schutzhund, show people, breeders, owners or anyone here by name. I never said anyone was less than or did less than anyone else or did nothing. I never said anyone on here didn't care about dogs. Many, many people on here donate their time and money for many things and not just for dogs. I didn't deliberately insult anyone personally and never do. You on the other hand, have done so repeatedly.
No, I'm not in the same category as people like Vickie or Steph. They do far more than I could ever think to be able to do. Folks like Molly, Hodie, YR, Mystere and many others are far above me and I have no grand fantasies that I could ever even come close to being like them. I have nothing but the utmost respect for these people and what they do. I'm just some nobody in a small town that happens to give a damn.
Go back and read what I said. We've built a nice throwaway SOCIETY. And we have! It's not just GSD's it's all breeds and mixes. Joe Blow and his unspayed multiple litter dropping bitch. Mommy who wants the kids to "see the miracle of birth". Jerkoff with his un-neutered roaming male. Everyone that dumps a dog cause it peed on the carpet or chewed one too many shoe. Or got a dog they can't handle. SOCIETY. Michael Vick got caught but there's a thousand more of them out there. Every puppy mill that gets busted there's a hundred more. Every dog adopted from a shelter or pulled by rescue, there's ten more filling that cage. We all know this so I didn't feel the need to say it. But apparently, my self righteous ass self struck some kind of nerve.
I stand by what I said. REALITY: It's not going to change! Not unless people get together and actually DO something about it. Until people stop thinking of dogs as puppy / money making commodities, there will always be another bitch out there passed off, treated like trash and neglected like this one was. Until people get together and say no more, we'll always have puppy mills and BYB's. There will always be another Michael Vick, Lorenzo, Steve Croley out there until people stand up together and say no more and force the lawmakers to pass tough laws and force judges to hand out maximum penalties. AKC, USA, UKC, whoever organization, all of them should immediately ban anyone convicted of any animal cruelty or neglect charge. Mandate OFA, CERF, etc. for registration or breeding. No it won't stop things. But you're better off trying to bail a sinking ship with a bucket than a spoon.
This thread was started for personal gain. Oh, Tim did the right thing by the dog alright. But he had an ulterior motive in posting up here. Don't know what, don't care. But it's a perfect example of what I said about folks doing stuff for money, their own ego and recognition and not really for the dog. And look at all the flak it stirred up. As soon as everyone found out it was Tim, this thread became all about HIM and not really about the dog anymore. He got his "atta-boy" along with his "you're still scum". Either way, he got his recognition and his ego got fed. If it had been almost anyone else, this thread would have gone very differently. Meantime, people who really do care about the dogs are still slogging away at it and receive very little if any recognition or thanks for it. I would whole heartedly support some type of new yearly award for these people. I can think of at least a dozen deserving people on this board off the top of my head.
Now, before I go crawl back under my rock,
Mystere and anyone else I may have offended inadvertantly, my sincere apologies.
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| We should not be fighting among ourselves, but trying to forumalate a solution. Just typing that sentence is a downer, when I think of the "reputable" AKC show gsd breeders churning out litters...who never take any of their dogs who end up in rescue; the "reputable" USA breeders (show & working line) churning out litters...who never take any of their dogs who end up in rescue; the BREED WARDENS who never take any of their dogs who end up in rescue; the competition dogs (any sport, but particularly sch) who are thrown away every year, because their retrieve slowed, their grip slipped, or the handler just bought a 3 yr old that someone else has trained and titled. The whole issue seems overwhelming to me. Organizations are not going to be able to affect the situation, but peer pressure may. The local purebred rescues in my area refuse to make the names of the breeders public--they are afraid ofd lawsuits. So, the peer pressure that might force some of these breeders to "do the right thing" must come from knowing that people they know and respect KNOW about their irresponsible conduct, or may find out. What we need is a deterrent to breeders and buyers who abandon these dogs. Would that make any difference to the schmucks who are going to pull a disappearing act? Probably not. But, those with community contacts might have a disincentive.
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Peer pressure could be put on dog owners and competitors through the newsletters and publications from the different sport organizations. Make this case public, make sure Lorenzo and anyone else who treats a dog this way is exposed and never allowed to compete again.
SOMEONE titled these two bitches. Therefore, that person obviously was a member of one of the schutzhund associations. If I were that person, I'd blast this all over the front page of whatever publication I could find that would print it.
Oh, wait. That might make me look bad, because after titling her, and having puppies from her, I sold her...
BTW, it's against the law to pubically threaten to kill someone, as much as you might want to.
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| Sunsilver,
You are uninformed. |
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So, INFORM ME!! Why can't the schutzhund organizations take up this cause? Yes, I know, Helser and Lorenzo may not be members, but some of the people who owned these dogs WERE! Do they not care what happened to them?
Or are they too busy patting the competitors on the back, and showing pictures of the latest trophy winnners?
Are they afraid to publicize that this sort of thing happens? Afraid PETA might get wind of it, and get dog competitions closed down?
Come on, there are lessons to be learned here! Of course, the clubs have their codes of ethics, but that doesn't mean EVERONE follows them!
It's a chance for the clubs to show they do more than just collect membership fees, and truly care about the reputation of the sport! |
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| I am too sick and tired of beating my head against a wall trying to inform YOU of anything. Time and again, you demonstrate why others have used adjectives other than "uninformed" when referring to you. I don't want to waste the time. I have already directed you to the organization sites, which you obviously haven't bothered to check out. I refuse to spoon-feed you, or attempt to, any further.
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Sooo, was this dog Heslers all along ? Or did he just pick it up off the craiglist in this condition ?
He needs to get on here and say something.
I really don't see where this is a money scam.... if indeed he picked up the dog from craiglist in this condition then requested funds to help save it. Anyone would have done that, I suppose.
Me on the other hand would have called the State Vet on craiglist location. But that's just me.
Something just doesn't add up with this story.
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| Sunsilver, Mystere, Mobjack, Mking, Michael49....you are all valuable members of this board with varied but worthy & intelligent points of view. Don't let this POS OP upset you to the point of lashing out at each other. That's how folks like this get away with their BS time after time. For once, let's keep our focus on the OP, not each other. There's time enough to rip ourselves up over other stuff. Let's seek justice for these dogs. jackie harris |
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| You are 100% right, Jackie. |
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| Jackie, I agree completely. Michael |
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This is what we do best, come together when the need arises.
Jackie, thanks for the reminder.
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Sunsilver
Both dogs were imported titled. Amanda was sold by Eurosport in Slovakia and has been in this country for a number of years. Adrie was trained and titled I believe in Germany and was most likely sold by a dog broker. I don't think any of the breeders are aware of what has happend to them.
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For what it's worth, if you are convicted of cruelty to animals, AKC automatically suspends your right to use its services permanently. Suspension means you cannot register dogs or litters, nor compete in any AKC sanctioned activity.
http://www.akc.org/pdfs/rulebooks/RREGS4.pdf |
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Jackie you are so right.
Mystere you are as well.
Some dog organizations have a code of ethics. Some don't. Of those that do have one, how many of them really and truly enforce it? And I mean enforce it by not making it a massive long drawn out ordeal for a complaint to be looked into, and doing more than slapping someone on the wrist and saying now now we don't do that here? We're all angry and up in arms over this one person and one dog. Why THIS person, Tim? His reputation and past history. But, there's no real evidence he did anything except have her PTS. Why THIS dog? She's not the only one. There's nothing wrong with breeding, buying and selling dogs, just the mentality of our society. We don't FIX things anymore. We just toss them out and buy new ones. Who on here has ever called a TV repairman? Or taken a toaster in to get it fixed? Same thing. Like Mystere said, the dog's grip isn't like it was, pigment's fading, whatever. Oh well, sell the dog and get a new one. Some people demand the one thing they can't have. Perfection. Others see near perfection in what they have and work their butts off trying to improve on the flaws, knowing that they will never truly reach that goal.
Question and someone please correct me if I'm wrong on some of this. I am deliberately leaving out DNA and other things for the sake of simplicity. The AKC is the only FCI recognized breed registry for the states? AKC requires NO mandatory anything other than you must have two AKC registered parents and the properly signed paperwork in order to register a dog? I don't have to be an AKC member, or GSDCA member in order to breed them. Just toss two AKC registered, dogs in the yard, sign the papers and sell pups.
What would happen if every breed club and the majority of breeders stood up and said NO? We will no longer accept the AKC as our registry? Not unless the AKC mandates OFA hips and elbows, basically changes the rules to be more like the SV? And inform the FCI and demand a new registry? We won't be allowed to field a world team for a few years? Why can't AKC, UKC, USA, WDA whoever all get together and have a blacklist? Afraid of being sued? Take some of the fees they collect and put a lawyer on retainer. Buy foot high trophies for a couple years instead of huge things that won't fit through a door. It's not slander or libel to say someone's a dog abuser or a thief if they've been convicted of those crimes.
It won't happen. It can't until people change they're way of thinking and get involved. Working lines bash showlines. They both bash the AM breds, Alsations, Shilos, coats. It's not about that. The World Seiger is worth no more than the lowliest mutt execpt in cold hard cash. I guarantee you the man in a wheelchair believes his assistance dog is priceless. So do the seniors who look forward to the therapy animals coming in every week. And the kid that just likes to go play fetch with his best friend.
This poor dog didn't get like this overnight. Someone, likely many people knew about her long before she got this bad off and did nothing. But they decided it was none of their business and they looked the other way. Society. Complacency.
"All it takes for evil to succeed, is for good men to do nothing"
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Micky D thank you for that reminder.
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I'm saving your words of wisdom to remind me in future if at all I get lost my bearings in the meanders of the dogworld
thx
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| AKVc is the FCI-recognized registry, yes, but it has nothing to do with the World team (if you mean the WUSV Championship tesm). That is by selection from the WDA Nat'l Championship and USA's national events (plus AWDF Ch). Both WDA and USA have their own, auxilliary, registries.
There was a brouhaha sveral years ago within the GSDCA, when some sought to require hip clearance for the nationally-rated selects at the national specialty. That met with MASSIVE opposition and defeat. The AKC breeders did NOT want to require hip clearance for its créme de la créme. Basic hip clearance was too much to ask.
None of the organizations can EFFECTIVELY act against members without due process. In USA, that means that there may be all of a mere 90 days max from the time a charge is filed with the BOI to the time a decision is made. But, the process doesn't begin until someone with the evidence has the gumption to step up and file the charge.
¶in this instance, the necessary evidence is solely in the posession of the person who apparently be the focus of the charge. Sad.
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| I always have one resue here and i have never and would never ask for money for the dogs. Hopefully whatever the real story is, the person/s responsible will be judged in some way. I hate seeing animals treated this way |
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Thanks Mystere for clarifying.
I can't keep all the acronyms straight in my old age. I totally understand what you're saying about due process and all and I'm aware there's nothing any group and can do unless the person is a member.
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| So then the thing to do would be to go after this person for some OTHER thing that he has done illegally, & try to make it stick for more than a fine. There's more than one way to go about this. First we need to establish a sequence of events & find a chain of ownership of these two dogs. Once that's established we can go from there. I have sent info to the IC3 (FBI's internet crime task force) regarding this thread. I'm quite sure they will attend to whatever fraudulent activity they can find. Maybe, hopefully, nothing else needs be done......or not. I'm open to suggestions. jackie harris |
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What a horrible, horrible thing! :(
1. Bob, have you ever gotten the info that you requested?
2. Has anyone found any info on the craigslist issue?
3. Has anyone been able to trace how many hands these dogs have been through? ( I only ask this because after seeing the pics (finally), the dog looks extremely familiar)
I can tell you from experience, that the Capital Area Humane Society will do nothing about this.
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ladywolf45169,
1. no, HE HAS NOT, truly does not know the outcome on Adrie
2. Ad was deleted prior to any of us being able to locate it
3.This will take alot of time, and may never fully come to light.
Those dogs were loved by many, I very well doubt the issue will be totally droped, It maybe a long time before this saga comes to light. I have alot of patience and faith, this is not over by a long shot. |
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Rescue K9: You are to be commended for all your hard work. Honestly, a job well done. I too have done a lot of rescue: (Samoyeds) mostly and in one occasion well lets say has stayed with me for life. I few fanciers of the samoyed breed rescued 5 samoyeds, all tied to trees in the Marysville area in an orchard with no protection from the elements or coyotes. It is a wonder they made it at all. The owner had committed suiside and left the dogs in her small home alone, another neighbor went in a got the dogs, but could only tie them to trees until we arrived. Needless to say we took all but one girl whom another neighbor wanted.
Their rescue has stayed in my mind and will forever, as will the picture of that beautiful Amanda and those pleeding eyes; the devotion... Unforgettable, truly unforgiveable also... Nanci |
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| Also Rescue K9: I would keep this creeps name and location out on the internet so people can see whom he is and what a creep he is and that he is residing and doing business in the LA, Calif. area. Seems every creepy scumbag on earth is in the LA area, but at least it can hurt him some. Maybe keep him from doing such a thing to another animal. Nanci |
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I am just seeing this post. What happend with the dogs. I am not understanding. Is there a video of these dogs veing mistreated. My GSD is a very loved and spoiled dog. This is the best breed. If he did something curel, I hope he will be severly punished and never allowed to anything to do with animals again.
Rainbow Bridge
Just this side of heaven is a place called Rainbow Bridge.
When an animal dies that has been especially close to someone here, that pet goes to Rainbow Bridge.
There are meadows and hills for all of our special friends so they can run and play together.
There is plenty of food, water and sunshine, and our friends are warm and comfortable.
All the animals who had been ill and old are restored to health and vigor; those who were hurt or maimed are made whole and strong again, just as we remember them in our dreams of days and times gone by.
The animals are happy and content, except for one small thing; they each miss someone very special to them, who had to be left behind.
They all run and play together, but the day comes when one suddenly stops and looks into the distance. His bright eyes are intent; His eager body quivers. Suddenly he begins to run from the group, flying over the green grass, his legs carrying him faster and faster.
You have been spotted, and when you and your special friend finally meet, you cling together in joyous reunion, never to be parted again. The happy kisses rain upon your face; your hands again caress the beloved head, and you look once more into the trusting eyes of your pet, so long gone from your life but never absent from your heart.
Then you cross Rainbow Bridge together....
Author unknown...
I don't know the whole story, but thought this would be appropriate for the dogs.
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Ower of the dog 2 dogs is Lorenzo WILLIAMS of House haus kennels ( No longer in the dog world )
He left the sate as he has warrants for his arrest in the sate of Ohio and also has alot of people he owes pups and or dogs and money to .
Lorenzo WILLIAMS was keeping all of his dogs at Bill Morris 1680 Reinhard Ave, Columbus OH 43206 in Bills apartment in the basement in crates for 23 hours a day , when Lorenzo WILLIAMS got warrants and was not able to give people the pups or dogs or money he owes them he Ran , He Ran to memphis TN , is what I am told by this Bill Morris , He left Amanda & Adrie in the care of Bill , Bill has asked Lorenzo WILLIAMS many times by e-mail and phone to come and get them , he would not come and get them , He left them there with Bill for over 1&1/2 years , Bill did feed the dogs as well as he could , but he gave them No vet care for over 1 & 1/2 years , He had to move out of his apartment and he could not take the dogs , On Sep. 15 he put an add on http://columbus.craigslist.org/pet/ , someone that knows Timothy Helser emaild the add to Timothy Helser that person emaild Bill and got a Number for Timothy Helser to Call Bill , on the night of Sep 15 Timothy Helser called Bill and found out that the dogs was Amanda & Adrie , So Timothy set up a time to meet Bill at his apartment at 1130am on the 16th of Sep. 09 , Timothy went and got the dogs and called the vet on the way home as they were in bad shape , So He got Adrie into the vet first , as he knew Amanda was bad and he wanted his own vet to look at her in the Am on the 17th as he knew the vet well , So Adrie was 8 years old and was acting like a 16 year old dog , the vet said she has mange , and hart worms bad and other things wrong with her , so she was put down ,
So Timothy took Amanda home , made her as comfortable as he could for the night , He did post on here in the early AM asking for help for vet care for Amanda , he also at the same time asked EurosportK9 for help as they was the seller and importer of amanda to the USA , Amdana went to the vet in the AM and was put down as she was too bad off to save , Timothy Helser did not do this to them , he Resued them and got them into the Vet ASAP , Amanda could not be aved they was looking at the cost of $1,500 and up to save her and the vet could not say 100% that she would make it out ok , Adrie would have not made it out of treatmet ... so they was put down , end of story ,
Timothy Helser has Video , Pictures , Vet paper work , e-mails and phone info \
The people that let dogs get this bad is Lorenzo WILLIAMS ower of the dogs and this man who was keeping the dogs here is his info
Bill Morris and Lorenzo WILLIAMS their contact info will be given to the right people ( police -dog pound ) ONLY
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EVERYONE IS COMMENDED WHO DID FOR CALLING OUT A SCAM. IT DONT ADD UP. NO DOUBT LORENZO IS A SCUMBAG BUT THE STORY DID NOT ADD UP TO ANY OF US. LEAVE EUROSPORTS NAME OUT OF IT. FUNNY HOW SAME PHOTOS SHOW UP IN A DIFFERENT PLACE AT A DIFFERENT TIME THAT SCAM IS RIGHT UP TIMOTHY HELSERS ALLEY. YOU DIDNT GIVE HIM A DIME I HOPE. MOBJACKS RIGHT ITS A SCAM AND HE IS KNOW FOR IT. TIMOTHY IS RescueK9 AND gsdDanny01 AND YOUR GUESS HOW MANY OTHER NAME
THE DOGS WERE IN HELSER'S CARE ALL ALONG. NO CRACKHEAD WILL BE CHARGED OR FOUND FROM THE SIDE OF THE ROAD BECAUSE HELSER IS THAT PERSON--- JUST ANOTHER ALIAS LIKE HE HAS ON HERE
KEEP YOUR HEADS UP DONT FALL FOR IT, AND RIP AMANDA
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I as a rule, I do not post because of so much Bull out there. Well, Now Just The Facts - as Sgt. Friday would say. I stand by my word and reputation on this one.
1. Timothy Helser has committed a great deal of impersonation, one being a police officer, yep, you law enforcement can find it on his record.
2. Lorenzo Williams used to train with Timothy. I can't say who scammed who more, I thought it was a match made in heaven, too bad they didn't stay together.
3. Taunya still owes me for a dog I purchased in 2001 and never saw the dog or the money. Enough of that one, as we have to look past some small things and fading memories. Minor issue here. I personally do not believe there is any connection between Joseph/Taunya and the above two jerks. There may be some minor mistakes people make as I have made mine too but overall, I just don't see any connection with these people.
Gotta love this business.
My long standing policy is this: anyone with any of my dogs has any issues/financial distress/ health/whatever - WE TAKE OUR DOGS BACK period.
Westwood provided rescue to 15 dogs alone from one breeder in 2008 at the same time my significant other had health issues. We successfully placed all but two into homes, our dime, our time. We did have GREAT people that came into help and I can't thank them enough. For those who took these dogs, I am extremely grateful.
Now let's stay away from these scammers that everyone is getting so riled up about. It's a real black eye that affects all the very good people out there. If you want to donate money to any cause, my advice! Talk to their veterinarian, do so directly to the bill, not the person if it is an individual. Any "organization" has to file with the IRS and those are public record. Let's stop the scam.
AND if you are in Ohio, Here is good news and it sounds like we need some as we have the Lorenzo/Tim creeps in this state:
Dean Calderone now lives at deceased Officer and dear friend Marty Martin's farm. Go there for your training and dog help. It seems meant to be and everyone who has visited locally comes home with genuine help, learned skills and being a better dog handler.
many thanks for hearing me
Nancy Rhynard
www.westwoodkennels.com
GRAPHIC Help Save Amanda Canyon Life ! /Houserhaus, Lorenzo Williams GRAPHIC !!!
by CROCODILE on 31 October 2009 - 08:10
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EVERYONE IS COMMENDED WHO DID FOR CALLING OUT A SCAM. IT DONT ADD UP. NO DOUBT LORENZO IS A SCUMBAG BUT THE STORY DID NOT ADD UP TO ANY OF US. LEAVE EUROSPORTS NAME OUT OF IT. FUNNY HOW SAME PHOTOS SHOW UP IN A DIFFERENT PLACE AT A DIFFERENT TIME THAT SCAM IS RIGHT UP TIMOTHY HELSERS ALLEY. YOU DIDNT GIVE HIM A DIME I HOPE. MOBJACKS RIGHT ITS A SCAM AND HE IS KNOW FOR IT. TIMOTHY IS RescueK9 AND gsdDanny01 AND YOUR GUESS HOW MANY OTHER NAME
THE DOGS WERE IN HELSER'S CARE ALL ALONG. NO CRACKHEAD WILL BE CHARGED OR FOUND FROM THE SIDE OF THE ROAD BECAUSE HELSER IS THAT PERSON--- JUST ANOTHER ALIAS LIKE HE HAS ON HERE
KEEP YOUR HEADS UP DONT FALL FOR IT, AND RIP AMANDA
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I'll have the CPD, and FCS look this one up. I am forwarding this information to them directly.
Really
Nancy Rhynard
www.westwoodkennels.com
GRAPHIC !!!
by gsdDanny01 on 27 September 2009 - 00:09
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Ower of the dog 2 dogs is Lorenzo WILLIAMS of House haus kennels ( No longer in the dog world )
He left the sate as he has warrants for his arrest in the sate of Ohio and also has alot of people he owes pups and or dogs and money to .
Lorenzo WILLIAMS was keeping all of his dogs at Bill Morris 1680 Reinhard Ave, Columbus OH 43206 in Bills apartment in the basement in crates for 23 hours a day , when Lorenzo WILLIAMS got warrants and was not able to give people the pups or dogs or money he owes them he Ran , He Ran to memphis TN , is what I am told by this Bill Morris , He left Amanda & Adrie in the care of Bill , Bill has asked Lorenzo WILLIAMS many times by e-mail and phone to come and get them , he would not come and get them , He left them there with Bill for over 1&1/2 years , Bill did feed the dogs as well as he could , but he gave them No vet care for over 1 & 1/2 years , He had to move out of his apartment and he could not take the dogs , On Sep. 15 he put an add on http://columbus.craigslist.org/pet/ , someone that knows Timothy Helser emaild the add to Timothy Helser that person emaild Bill and got a Number for Timothy Helser to Call Bill , on the night of Sep 15 Timothy Helser called Bill and found out that the dogs was Amanda & Adrie , So Timothy set up a time to meet Bill at his apartment at 1130am on the 16th of Sep. 09 , Timothy went and got the dogs and called the vet on the way home as they were in bad shape , So He got Adrie into the vet first , as he knew Amanda was bad and he wanted his own vet to look at her in the Am on the 17th as he knew the vet well , So Adrie was 8 years old and was acting like a 16 year old dog , the vet said she has mange , and hart worms bad and other things wrong with her , so she was put down ,
So Timothy took Amanda home , made her as comfortable as he could for the night , He did post on here in the early AM asking for help for vet care for Amanda , he also at the same time asked EurosportK9 for help as they was the seller and importer of amanda to the USA , Amdana went to the vet in the AM and was put down as she was too bad off to save , Timothy Helser did not do this to them , he Resued them and got them into the Vet ASAP , Amanda could not be aved they was looking at the cost of $1,500 and up to save her and the vet could not say 100% that she would make it out ok , Adrie would have not made it out of treatmet ... so they was put down , end of story ,
Timothy Helser has Video , Pictures , Vet paper work , e-mails and phone info \
The people that let dogs get this bad is Lorenzo WILLIAMS ower of the dogs and this man who was keeping the dogs here is his info
Bill Morris and Lorenzo WILLIAMS their contact info will be given to the right people ( police -dog pound ) ONLY
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For those of you who chose to email me privately, I thank you, for concrete information that needs to be forwarded to those in the OHIO area that need this. I will forward that and talk personally to those I can reach.
Again, lots of scams are always going on. Lots of deceitfullness because of ill will. It is very difficult to get the straight facts sometimes because someone is "mad" or has an opinion. Rumors are a terrible thing and we all want to work with facts.
But many of you writing to me personally made excellent points and because I am in the central Ohio area, I am happy to help with this. Time to clean up my neighborhood. This is an embarrassment.
No more posts from me, thank you.
Nancy Rhynard
www.westwoodkennels.com
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"AND if you are in Ohio, Here is good news and it sounds like we need some as we have the Lorenzo/Tim creeps in this state:
Dean Calderone now lives at deceased Officer and dear friend Marty Martin's farm. Go there for your training and dog help. It seems meant to be and everyone who has visited locally comes home with genuine help, learned skills and being a better dog handler."
Maybe you should check this youtube video first. Dean and Tim working togther on 10/3/09 (according to the poster)
Scott B
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVEjNSRO-Y8
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yes, one of the private writers sent this to me yesterday and I thank them very mcuh for that.
Lot's of people do not check backgrounds on others as VomMarichal or YellowRose did. How are you to know unless a very reliable source gives you any information?
Lorenzo came to my property years ago looking at dogs for sale during our informal "dog club" to include Marty and a few other K9 handlers. They thought him suspicious then. Lorenzo bragged about being a new student to start OSU vet school. Since I worked for the University, I inquired about him being a new student. Ahem, no records. God was looking out for me that day or I might have sold him a dog. I got lucky.
Bernhardt Flinks and some nice central Ohio people got sucked into letting him help with a seminar.
I expect Lorenzo is slick and reading these. I expect to start getting hate messages from his internet tricks. Sorry, I've already reported this and Timothy in Chicago pretending to look for Stacy Peterson.
I need to get back to something more important besides this scam.
Can I tell you about the guy from Pittsburgh saying he worked as a civilian doing drug searches in schools, coming to buy a narcotics dog? Yep, he was one drug dealer trying to rob other drug dealers and find their stash. And he had lots of cash to pay for a dog! Imagine that.
The list goes on.
thanks again for hearing and for those who are diligent, my hat is off. BTW, I love my pet dog people even more. They're the best.
Nancy Rhynard
www.westwoodkennels.com
Dean Calderone now lives at deceased Officer and dear friend Marty Martin's farm. Go there for your training and dog help. It seems meant to be and everyone who has visited locally comes home with genuine help, learned skills and being a better dog handler."
Maybe you should check this youtube video first. Dean and Tim working togther on 10/3/09 (according to the poster)
Scott B
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVEjNSRO
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TIM MUST BE SOME ROTTEN SON OF A GUN TO SET THIS WHOLE THING UP LIKE IT WAS.AND THEN TO POST THE PIC OF THE DEAD DOG ON THE TABLE LIKE THAT .SOME ONE NEEDS TO KICK SOME SENSE INTO THAT JERK. SEEMS LIKE HE HE WAS PLAYING ALL ANGLES. POOR DOGS
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by Bob McKown on 18 September 2009 - 01:09 Bob McKown
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Tim I,ve sent you what I want, I will make my decision on how you have acted after this is over so far what you have said seems to be factual in this instance. Don,t blow it by starting the pissing match you said you did,nt want to start on the phone. I,ll judge you by the way you handle this, so far so good. I,ll come get Adrie and bury her here at my home with my dogs that have gone before. I,ll call the vet you posted and confirm charges and arange payment and pickup of the dog I can supply the tatoo # to confirm. Deal with me on the up and up here.
Hey if Dean is dumb enough to work with or deal with Timmy Dean deserves what he gets
Hey Bob
Please don't buy into these guys wanting to start a finger pointing, tearing apart of those who do something decent in the industry. I have never met you but you really have to be a better person than this.
As I said, I have forwarded this on AND if anyone wants to bad mouth, lamblast or whatever you call it, do it to the person in person . Get the straight scoop. Your attitude on this one is exactly what Lorenzo and Tim try to accomplish. From the early posts, many were sucked in and willing to give. Are they all DUMB too? Fraud is insidious and these guys are just plain good at working the crowd.
Ok! I'll wait to hear your answer
Nancy Rhynard
www.westwoodkennels.com
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Youre Right Nancy
Tim is a Serial Con.
Those like him Never change. Its all they know, in their blood and Genes.
A Leopard cant change his spots, and youre SPOT ON, (no pun intended), about your description of him.
Cons play on emotions and work to disarm peoples discretion through charm, flattery & BS etc.
Nancy...... My friend, hunt partner and former K9 Officer, purchased several dogs from you.
He worked in Ohio and New Mexico, patrolled 50 square miles by himself with no backup, just the dog and him.
He had nothing but good things to say about you and your dogs. His name is Mike, you know him.
Thanks for your input.
I do hope this gets sorted out for the dogs sake.
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My last post, promise
First, I came down a little hard on you Bob, and I apologize as you have to be feeling a little raw from this especially since you had one of these dogs at an early time. For that I am truly sorry for this hardship.
Thanks everyone for those facebook warnings too.
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was anything finally resolved on these two CZECH dogs?
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| surpiringly the usual salwarts of these lines and neither the breeder`s marketers are on this thread!!!!! |
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PETA represents "People for the ETHICAL Treatment of Animals" Which CERTAINLY was not the case here.
There are many people involved in this severe case of neglect, and in the end, ALL those that had a part here, should be ashamed of themselves.
I had them for one litter, he had them for another litter. These dogs were nothing but commodities for ALL who had part in their lives, but now, some crack-head left them like this.
HOW convienient is that???The posters on this board that will verbally assault anyone with a lack of "sport"dogs, are the very people that know who owned these dogs, and are the same people that will excuse this behavior, from their associates. They are the same people who EVERYDAY make a living off dogs.
Some claim to be big time animal saviors, but there is ALWAYS a dollar sign attached to their GOOD-DEEDS.
The cover-ups and excuses for the vermin that did this, continues...
People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA), with more than 2 million members and supporters, is the largest animal rights organization in the world.
PETA focuses its attention on the four areas in which the largest numbers of animals suffer the most intensely for the longest periods of time: on factory farms, in laboratories, in the clothing trade, and in the entertainment industry. We also work on a variety of other issues, including the cruel killing of beavers, birds and other "pests," and the abuse of backyard dogs.
PETA works through public education, cruelty investigations, research, animal rescue, legislation, special events, celebrity involvement, and protest campaigns
Be an Angel for Stray Animals
When you see stray or injured cats or dogs on the street, please don’t pass them by—they need your help! Be prepared for animal emergencies by keeping a road-rescue kit in your car, including pull-tab cans of cat and dog food, a leash, a bandage for a muzzle (injured animals may try to bite out of fright), a collapsible cardboard cat carrier, and a towel or blanket. If you are unable to coax the animal to you, take down the exact location (including the street and cross street and any nearby landmarks) and a description of the animal and call animal control as soon as possible. |
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And surprsingly its all the great American breeders who so pompously blow the trumpet of following the CZech lines who have screwed these dogs and brought them to death
Shame on you idiots who so gretaly write and come on this board and shamelessly write like whores here
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PETA focuses its attention on a petless society.
PETA kills almost 100% of the pets it gets its hands on (look up the case in VA where they picked up dogs from a shelter to "rehome" and promptly executed them - they were caught with the dead dogs). There is NOTHING ETHICAL about how PETA treats animals. NOTHING.
PETA supports ALF, which is a terrorist organization according to the FBI. There is NOTHING ETHICAL about PETA.
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"People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA), with more than 2 million members and supporters, is the largest animal rights organization in the world."
Yeah, note the fact they're the largest animal rights organization in the world. I'll give my money to my local shelter and to single breed rescues, which actually house and re-home dogs, thank you, rather than killing them like People for the Euthanization-and-into-the-Trash of Animals does.
PETA's motto: "Better Dead than Bred"
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WTF was the point of getting those assholes started up again?????
Sorry, I have a migraine. But REALLY. |
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| Petapal,
We are STILL waiting for you to identify yourself. |
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| I thought PETA stood for People Eating Tasty Animals? |
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PETA supposed 2 million supportors just goes to show how many stupid idiots there are in the world.
PETA's goal is NO PETS, period. They are linked to ALF, a TERRORIST organization.
PETAPAL, go peddle your peta shit somewhere else. |
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