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Classified: Working line out of imported and titled parents
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Victoria Driggs Gold-Berg Shepherds is now Vom Berlin (95 replies)
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vom Berlin
German Shepherds
Victoria Roe AKA Victoria Driggs
Phone: 541-258-3477
EmailL victoria@vomberlin.com
URL: http://www.vomberlin.com
She can change her name but she can't hide.
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| I posted the name change a week ago. Nobody cared. People have short memories. |
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I think's it's more that people come and go and not many current posters remember that fiasco.
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So what would be wrong with that...
Should I mention all the big breeders in Germany they are breeding on 2-3 kennelnames...
And everybody axcept it over there... why not in the States....???? |
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Benny G,
This not Germany-it's America. Here, "brand names" change to make the public believe that they are not dealing with the same "company" that was associated with a scandal. In this case, dyeing dogs for the show ring. With the Mittlewest matter bringing that to the forefront, you'd change your name to keep selling dogs, too. LOL |
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So much for her Web-site! You cannot get into it.
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OK.....I was gone for awhile......what happened?...something serious?
I never heard anything........but then again.....except for coming here, I pretty much stay out of the "gossip" in the dog world
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Normally I do not get involved with child like behavior, but I need to say this....
For all those who have not a life and love to gossip without knowing the truth, I Victoria E Driggs did divorce and remarry so I am now Victoria Roe and yes I have two kennel names, and breed under both and no I am not hiding just taking a break from ALL the people who enjoy talking crap on others and there dogs and those who enjoy spreading bad news and lies to make themselves feel better about not having done anything with there dogs on a National or World level. I am concentrating my efforts on my family and enjoying myself and love my life.
So to those who have nothing possitive to say about others I pity you as your life must be misserable, so much that you need to bring others down just to lift yourself up.
Your comment will tell who you are.
Thank you Benny and to all those who really know me, you are a rare and beautiful thing.
Regards Victoria
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| You're welcome Victoria...!!! |
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Well hello Ms. Victoria ... I'm sure you have long thought David and I had vanished, but we have just quietly continued on with our lives. We stay involved and keep in touch with the many friends that we made through our ordeal with you. I am still amazed at how nice and helpful people can be when they know someone has taken advantage of you. When this thread was brought to our attention, I was not going to respond but ... after reading your response ... I just had to speak up. Please know that some things in life are very basic, like the truth ... especially when it is well documented. Even though it may now be painful, hurtful and even embarrassing, it is still the truth. If anyone reading this wants to know about our ordeal, or any documentation regarding our ordeal with Ms. Victoria advertising, selling and coloring the paws of a "show quality" puppy, please message me. Oh ... and Victoria ... if you have really "changed" and run an honest kennel that now looks out for your buyers ... would you please grandfather us?, it has been 2 years and we are still waiting for our puppy's papers. The address is the same. Thank you Victoria!
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| I remember that pup, it had a white sock didn't it? and when you recieved it the white wasn't there, but after bathing and the pup growing the white magically appeared. |
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Uber, ... Victoria wrote them and explained in black and white how to dye the pup to show it and ewxplained exactly what toxic substance to use!!!
The whole topic is rather timely, given the recent organizational response to dyeing dogs for the show ring. Ms. Vickie remarried her fist ex-husband and is probably going by a name other than Driggs, now. Same bought hair, teeth and b's, though. :-)
This post was unnecessarily bitchy! I can only plead aggravation, as phonies and hypocrits bring out the worst in me. |
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| I don't remember telling her how to dye the pup, just what product other people used (this was the product mittelwest swore by). I personally wouldn't dye a dog. it is unethical and just not very honest. |
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| Not YOU telling them- Victoria. :-)
(I am using a handheld and the punctuation gets screwed up) |
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Our "show quality pup" that was "suitable for breeding" arrived at the airport with 2 white front socks.
Months later and only after winning in court did Victoria admit to us in a email …
"you really do have the same puppy as the one you wanted, I used Kalium Permanganate on his feet and was going to tell you that if you wanted to show him you would have to spray this on his feet until the white disappeared. Kindly, Victoria "
We have yet to receive his papers as promised.
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| Mary D can give you her present location and, I think, the name she is using now.
Weren't papers part of the judgment? |
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| So is this hearsay or fact? |
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We made the mistake of not including a request for his papers in our initial judgment. We tried to have it included as the process was ongoing, but was then told we would have to file a seperate request. We were pleased the court awarded our monies back and have considered filing again for his papers...but life has a way of getting in the way and time goes on. We can't show him and we can't breed him so that kind of makes it less pressing..but we would still obviously like to have them. Perhaps this will prompt us to get back on the ball. I'm afraid it may open a whole new can of worms as to what we may or may not find out.
I know when you google Kennel Gold-Berg several negative reports show up...perhaps this is why she is adding another kennel name... |
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Here is the new webpage: www.vomberlin.com/index.html
Looks as if there are plenty of pups/litters from which to choose!
A little about the chemical compound potassium permanganate: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potassium_permanganate#Biomedical_uses Unless combined with other substances, it is not a harsh or noxious chemical. It comes as a blackish crystals or in a tablet form. When dissolved in water, the resulting solution turns a magenta color. When the solution dries as a stain (as on hair or skin) and is oxidized, it becomes potassium oxide which has a characteristic brownish tinge (will not wash off in the rain).
It has been used in Germany for coloring GSDs for many years. Deceptive? Yes--better than breaking tails! |
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It's just too bad that the majority of her business is via the internet ... it is much harder to be deceifful in person than in front of a computer. She's changing her name, perhaps for obvious reasons, but either way I can only hope that her past is never too far behind her ... this way anyone considering doing business with her does so with their eyes wide open.
Victoria ... You could do the right thing now and we would let everyone know you did ... and send us our papers. Just something for you to think about ... |
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| We know from her response to this thread that Victoria is aware of the posts. So, apparently she knows of Brady's post. We shall see if she does "the right thing." |
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It WOULD be nice if the owners could finally know for sure who Brady really is, wouldn't it?
SS
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| FWIW, if the pup was sold as being eligible for AKC registration, it's worth contacting the AKC about the issue with the papers (I think it would be worth letting them know about the dyeing as well). Granted, it's not like they AKC can do a whole lot to her, but they *can* revoke her privileges with the organization. Can't hurt your efforts, I'd think, and it won't cost you much more than a phone call and maybe some postage (to send copies of documents). |
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she has the most adorable longcoated female pup on her site.
a good friend is looking for a coat,VERY VERY dark in color with parents with real protection civil drive.
i am trying to talk her into a working line,but she loves the coloring of the show lines.
and her price this victoria lady is what she wants to spend and with papers.
i know 1/2 the people don't believe in giving full reg., on a coat, but 1/2 the breeders do.
so she has to find the 1/2 that do.
so please don't start the battle of what should be bred and what should not. i am the messanger,and that's what she is looking for.
would love to know the full story about victoria before my friend makes her an offer and ends up with who knows what.
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First - I would suggest you have your friend look up the several reports posted regarding victoria on "rip off report"...you can google it under her and/or her kennel name. If you then want specific information regarding our ordeal with ms. victoria you can let me know.
Second - I would never give my business to and support someone who is known to be dishonest in their business, I would not buy a car from them, a service or a dog. There are way too many honest and reputable breeders out there that you can and should be suppporting. |
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| Alix,
If your friend researches the threads on this forum, including the Brady thread, Googles the name and kennel name, and STILL purchases from Victoria...she deserves what she gets. "Buyer Beware" means exactly that. |
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OK ... they say things happen for a reason and this thread has now got the ball rolling! Before I spend a lot of time looking up information most of you already know...does anyone know what information the AKC needs to look up and release papers? And, does anyone have a friend and/or acquaintance with the AKC that may be able to help? The old saying is "it's not what you know as much as it is who you know" :)
Much thanks in advance for your time.
Of course there is always the chance I could check my mailbox and find his papers sitting there (I'm still hoping for the good in people) ... hmmm, probably not! It certainly would change things though ...
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Brady 2,
you need to know the names of his parents, possibly the reg. #'s, and the litter date of birth and # for AKC to do anything. sometimes they will give you the papers just by calling and telling them the situation.
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| You know I get a good chuckle off the folks on here who will scream and holler and post line and script about how the legal system works and there high and mighty stance but those are the same folks who just live on gossip and hearsay obviousley you folks have nothing better to do It cracks me up to see most of you talking out the sides of your faces. |
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Bob,
More great chuckles come when someone forms an opinion and then shares that opinion on something they neither know anything about nor take the time to find out about. I guess you would call that the "simple" approach. Documentation speaks for itself .. enough said. |
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http://www.ripoffreport.com/Animal-Services/VICTORIA-E-DRIGGS-KE/victoria-e-driggs-kennel-gol-bp9ef.htm
http://www.ripoffreport.com/Animal-Services/Kennel-Gold-Berg-Aka/victoria-driggs-aka-kennel-gol-289p2.htm
http://www.complaintsboard.com/suspicious-companies/kennel-gold-berg-aka-victoria-driggs-a77348.html
https://www.ripoffreport.com/Victoria-Driggs-Gold-Berg-Kennels-German/Liars/Victoria-Driggs-Gold-Berg-Ke-D4B9C.htm
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Rip Off Report is a joke, anyone can write anything negative about anyone truth or lie on that site and there is nothing anyone can do about it.
As far as the Leake family goes they were perfectly happy with there Pet Puppy who is breed worthy according to AKC until SS ( with her squeaky clean rep) got a hold of them and then filled there heads with crap. That puppy is very well bred and they only bought a pet puppy for pet. The court awarded them the price of the puppy back and nothing more out of default because I did not go to court. I asked David to settle if he did not like the puppy send him back and give me his wiring instructions and I would wire the money back, instead David persisted with court and said I should Western Union the money which is more expensive. The point is I offered to give there money back but they made it so difficult by having there attorney/family member go through with court. I was not giving David all my attention as I had personal family matters to deal with and so it all got out of hand. I have pictures and letters from the Leakes telling me how much they love there puppy and how beautiful he is, and my ex-husband did tell David about the white paw and that in time it would color up, all toenails are black and dark pigmentation was under the white. David had no problem with it according to my ex-husband who spoke with him.
As far as coloring goes, I told them if they just had to enter him in a show they could color the paw, I know breeders all over the world who color dogs and some sit on the WDA and USA board, some are judges that is how I got my knowledge of coloring, I only said to color for a baby puppy class not anything over 12 months which is then a SG class, puppy classes are for fun and practice nothing more. Some people use Carolina red mud, some people use tea also Mary D who also breaks tails and is insanely jealous of me, my dogs and my successes, and some people use box color. I could tell you people so much it would make your little brains explode.
I have always maintained a exceptional reputation here and abroad until David and his groupies, why don't you people get a life. David will not get his papers, he has slandered my name, he has my puppy and he has his 1500 dollars why would I give him his papers? The court ordered out of default that I give him his money back, that is it, I did not have to allow him to keep his puppy that he thinks is so terrible, and if it is so flawed why would he want to breed with it like his previous posts state?
And Mystere (cowardly) do not be so jealous of me that you would also attack the God given attributes that have been given to me, how shameful! |
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Couple things - AKC does not determine the breedworthiness of a dog - they just issue registration papers. Also, I guess it is fine to cheat in the puppy classes and since others cheat it makes it all right to advise others to cheat?
If you had to use such measures to gain your "successes" I would not be too proud of that success. I prefer to earn my successes the old fashioned way, through hard work and honesty.
Sorry, I don't know you, don't own a shepherd for that matter, but your comments don't do anything to give an outsider a warm fuzzy feeling about your reputation as a breeder. |
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Victoria aka VA13
I HAVE NEVER broken a tail nor WOULD I, nor has anyone BROKEN one of MY dogs tails. Where did that come from? ME jealous of you & your success. “NOT”
Vicky I have copied this thread if necessary for a future slander suit. I highly suggest that you edit your post & apologize.
Mary D
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Vickie- Dear, WHY on Earth would I be jealous of YOU--a no -class show line breeder with shitters who are run off the field, studs disqualified at shows for "testical issues," producing dogs with nerve embarassing problems, and has questionable breeding and business practices, etc. You? Please--I can't imagine anyone being jealous of you. If you think you are so much, why have you been in hiding for nearly two years? You have NO credibility, your questionable ethics and practices are now well-known, AND you are STUPID enough to Lazarus a DEAD thread to make it all public again!! LOL
You don't even want me to get into your personal shit that no idiot would be jealous of!! Please. Go back under your rock, Vickie and make yourself feel better fantasizing that anyone is jealous of you. LOL |
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Mystere, Your comments say everything, you are so jealous, how pathetic!
You know NOTHING of my personal life, you only wish you did, but I am sure you can come up with more lies and drama for us all to hear since you are so good at it.
Why do you hide? |
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| Mary of Temar I did not say it was you, I said Mary D are you the only Mary D out there? Stay out of this. |
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What other Mary D, of course you made it sound like the Mary that responded.
What I find most amazing is you are admitting in writing again that you cheat by using hair coloring on your dogs, no matter what age.
Buyer beware. |
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ROFLMAO!!! Is that the best you can do?? You really haven't evolved beyond second grade, have you?  LOL
WHAT, pray tell would you have for ANYONE with an IQ above room-temperature to be jealous of???
Being so STUPID as to revive a dead thread that points up your lack of ethics and general loser status?
Being STUPID enough to admit to cheating , but NOT, apparently, comprehend the import?
Being KNOWN as a show breeder cheat and liar? Being known as a show breeder cheat who was SUED, successfully, by one of her victims??
Being a total idiot, as obvious from your posts??
What, Vickie-poo, is anyone supposed to be jealous of?
Your "success" as a dishonest breeder?
Yeah, right, Okay, I admit it: I am jealous of you, and your demonstatedly (as well as admittedly) poor ethics and crappy reputation.
I am jealous that I am not a show breeder who does not dare show anywhere, because my reputation precedes me...when my dogs aren't being run off the field at Sieger Shows.
I am jealous of your demonstrated low IQ that would bring you to reviving a dead thread highlighting your lack of ethics on an international board. NOT!! ROFLMAO
And, don't even try to claim you were not referring to Mary. It was obvious, and no one is stupid enough to swallow your claims otherwise. In order to swallow that one, they would have to be even more stupid than you...and that clearly aint possible.
One good thing: the officials at USA and WDA shows are certainly on notice about YOU. Nobody is jealous of that, either. Relieved, maybe. Oh, but I do admire your veneers.  LOL |
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Victoria, As your posts make my points so well, I won't bother to respond further. But, PLEASE, feel free to continue showing your ass. ROFLMAO
For anyone who may have missed it, Victoria Driggs IS VA13. Victoria Driggs IS Gold-Berg Kennels.
. Victoria Driggs IS von Berlin.
I just want to make sure that a Google or Bing search pulls up this thread, as Vickie was dumb enough to revive it. Kindly, Nia |
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You people are all crazy!!! I am done with this!!! I knew it was a mistake to try to speak to idiots. This web board is full of them.
Have fun without me, you all need lives!
Especially the coward Missery (Mystere)
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I'm curious of why you think Mystere is hiding? How can somebody who almost everybody knows who it is hide? Nia doesn't hide here, she's stated her name plenty of times. And Mary D is sure not hiding, with her kennel name as her user ID it would be pretty difficult to hide.
Back to the previous discussions. I remember when the issue first came up on dyeing puppys paws. And the proof pictures they showed before and after they received the pup. And you stepping up to give more instruction on how to do that when needed.
Buyer Beware.............
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| Animules,
PLEASE get hard copy of this thread, before it disappears. This cow is beyond stupid enough to revive the thread, so we should take advantage of it!!!
Funny, isn't it, that she talks about me hiding, when she is operating under a new kennel name --with NO reference to her name of Gold-Berg clearly to HIDE her shameful connection, so newbies won't know it is the same breeder? LOL now, a simple Google search will make the connection clear. LOL
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| This thread is the first thing that comes up on a Google or Bing search. On Google, the second thing is the rip-off report.
WTG. |
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Victoria Driggs (VA13) wrote:
"and my ex-husband did tell David about the white paw and that in time it would color up, all toenails are black and dark pigmentation was under the white."
There is no way on God's green earth that a WHITE SOCK on a GSD puppy of that age was EVER going to be anything but a WHITE SOCK, black nails or not. Not without artificial enhancement, at least.
YOU dyed that paw, not the buyer, and then advised the buyer of how to repeat the process. There is no excuse for cheating, regardless of the venue or the alleged purpose, and there's no excuse for giving explicit instructions to someone else on how to cheat, either. Your lack of ethics is equalled only by a politician's. |
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I do not know anything about Show Dogs and not a lot about what went on between these people but when a breeder blatantly says she dyes the legs of a Pup or even an older dog certainly is a Cheat
It matters not if it is a Baby Class for fun or a Class for a small or big show whichever way you look at it, it is cheating and the person if caught should get a life ban from the sport
What i have read on this board of the things which go on in the Show Dog world i am glad that i am not part of it i find it very distastful indeed,
If there is one thing i cannot stand in the human race and that is a Cheat i simply will not give them the time of day nor even a second chance, Anyone who cheats in any sport and it is proven should be given a life ban and thats it for me
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| Is there another "dye queen?? OMG this is way better than television! Why is it that when women get to fueding they are way more vicous than men? her we go from dying dogs paws to the breasts of women! God help us all! Can I remove the burr from under your saddle? |
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I am jealous of a couple of those God-given attributes... and if I ever win the lottery I am definitely going to look up at least one of the doctors God gives them to!
Make mine "perky" please, not too big.
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| This is better then female jello wrestling on saturday nite at the local wattering hole... I got my pop corn and am waiting for the next reply!!! scoot over Raymond your hogging the cheap seats... |
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With my luck, I'd pick the wrong kind of doctor, end up buying my foundation garments from Farm & Livestock catalogs for the rest of my life.
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Shelley, I have my own home-grown. LOL But, I would LOVE to get veneers, but I have such a dentist phobia that I can't ven get my teeth bleached by a dentist!! Guys, ( and I do mean that specifically) my more personal comments may have been out of line. However, my point was that you cannot be surprised when a phoney person enhances theirs dogs.
To answer the multiple pms I have received from people on this.....YES, these actions are known to clubs and organizations. However, charges must be filed TIMELY, and unfortunately, the individuals who actually witnessed the dyeing, and/or co-owned dogs that were dyed have been disinclined to file charges, or give testimony in support of charges. How can people NOT know? Hell, she admits it publicly on this forum and in emails that have been posted on this forum. As is apparent from her very own words, she sees NOTHING wrong with it.
She has not shown for the past year and a half to two years, AFAIK. Certainly not in this region. And, YES, clubs and individuals are fully aware of her actions. Why do you think she has not shown? :-) WHY do you think she is trying to hide behind a new kennel name????  Poor phoney will have to come up with yet another kennel name. LOL
Here's a hint to the criminally stupid: If you are going to try to hide from a pn iffy reputation as a breeder/exhibitor, don't just change your kennel name. GET RID OF ALL THE DOGS ALREADY KNOWN AND IDENTIFIED WITH YOU!! Then, it won't be so embarassingly EASY to spot you again under a new kennel name. See? I CAN be charitable!! |
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Ooo! Ooo! I want veneers too!
But everyone has a limit, and I want you all to know:
I DRAW THE LINE at showing a dog with a boob job.
BTW-
How do you think T would look as a blond?
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| Veneers?????????????Perky??????????? Mystere your name alone perks my IMAGINATION!!! aND THEN THERE IS THE SS LADY!!!!! OH Bob please help us out of this connundrum? Veneers on perky ss mysterious black leather and pink lace OH MY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11 PS home grown doubles???????????????????????????? Oh please tell us more!! More !!!!! |
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| Raymond aren't most of your dates inflatible? |
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FYI,
I edited the par marks I must use on this site when I post from my Sidekick, rather than a computer.
I am running off a copy, now, before this thread, with Victoria Drigg's admissions of her wrong-doing disappears!! |
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Mystere- Will you be forwarding the copy of the thread to the appropriate organisations? I would think anyone publicly admitting to dyeing, etc. could surely be banned from any future shows etc. This thread is like watching "Americas Dumbest Criminals" only live, LOL.
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| Victoria Driggs, people like you make me sick. |
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quote:
"Mystere- Will you be forwarding the copy of the thread to the appropriate organisations? I would think anyone publicly admitting to dyeing, etc. could surely be banned from any future shows etc. This thread is like watching "Americas Dumbest Criminals" only live, LOL. "
Isn't it, though? Can you imagine that anyone so arrogant is also so damned stupid? I mean, she changes her name from Driggs to Roe. Changes the kennel name from Gold-berg to Vom Berlin, but is so damned stupid that she thinks no one will realize it is her, with oversize Jando and her other dogs on the website??? Please!!
Victoria Driggs aka Victoria Roe aka Gold-berg Kennels aka Vom Berlin.
Then, to top it off, she comes and takes a thread that had to be on the 4th or 5th page a week later and BRINGS IT BACK TO THE TOP!! She adds insult to her self-inflicted injury by admitting she dyes dogs and trying to justify it as"okay." WHAT???? Finally, she finishes up acting like a whiney second-grader : "you're just jealous!" Huh? of what??? As Hermione said, "What an idiot."
The fact is that for any non-regional or national event, a USA club can reject any entry. Victoria was put on notice a few years ago that Willamette Schutzhund Club would not accept any show entries from her. The only other USA club along the I-5 corridor that hosts shows is Snohomish, and they know about her, too. So do the Canadians. Willamette will host the regional conformation show next year, so that will be the one show where the club cannot just outright reject an entry out of hand. But....that does not mean, given her admissions, that they are necessarily obligated to just accept any entry from her.
As I said, she has not shown for some time, now, AFAIK. Apparently, she has just that much sense. I would be stunned so much you'd be able to fan me with a brick, if she were stupid enough send an entry to any show in the region...especially after being dumb enough to bring this thread back from the dead. |
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Nia, it's saved.  |
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New rules for the NASS:
When entering a dog in a GSDCA‐WDA sanctioned conformation show, the participant, including
without limitation the dog’s owner, the owner’s representative and the exhibitor expressly grants
permission to the GSDCA‐WDA to take, examine and analyze samples of the dog’s coat to determine
whether the color or pigmentation of the dog’s coat has been manipulated or altered. The sample may
be taken by the judge or any person designated by either the judge or the GSDCA‐WDA. Such samples
shall be sent to the GSDCA‐WDA Office for examination and analysis. If it is determined that the
pigment of the dog’s coat has been manipulated or altered in any manner, then the cost of the
examination and analysis shall be borne by the owner and the show rating awarded to the dog at the
show shall become null and void ab initio. A Disciplinary Complaint shall be lodged automatically against
the responsible parties, including without limitation the dog’s owner, the owner’s representative and
the exhibitor. If it is determined that the pigment of the dog’s coat has not been manipulated, then the
cost of the examination and analysis shall be borne by the GSDCA‐WDA.
No dog that has had any procedure performed upon it or any device that has been applied to it may be
presented in any GSDCA‐WDA conformation show, if such procedure or device misleads or deceives a judge about the true condition of a dog at a conformation show. If it is determined that any dog entered
into a GSDCA‐WDA sanctioned conformation show has been unacceptably altered, then (a) the show
rating awarded to said dog shall become null and void ab initio and (b) a disciplinary complaint shall be
lodged automatically against the parties who are responsible for the unacceptable alterations, including
without limitation the dog’s owner, the owner’s representative and the exhibitor. In such an instance,
(a) the dog shall be banned from all future GSDCA‐WDA events and (b) the GSDCA‐WDA membership of
the parties responsible for such unacceptable alterations, including without limitation the owner, the
owner’s representative and the exhibitor, shall be terminated. For purposes of this provision,
temporary ear forms applied to or used on a dog’s ears shall not disqualify the dog from presentation in
any GSDCA‐WDA conformation show.
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| A step in the right direction! |
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***might be several un-happy exhibitors....
.....so sad...too bad! 
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With my luck I'd screw up the dye recipe and end up with a Black and PINK male anyway. LOL
SS
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What if you have a dog that really is pretty black? Now will people look at you with suspicion?
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| It's not the black dogs that are being dyed. It is the B & R show dogs that are being dyed. But, if you are talking about a particularly deep and glossy black on a show dog...yeah, that might be suspect. Easy solution: Don't dye the dog. |
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Yeah that's what I mean. Now all the dogs that actually did have nice color will be looked at with suspicion, lol.
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For Sale-
Dog hair. Deep red-brown color.
Reasonably priced.
You harvest. BYOB (Bring Your Own Bag)
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Your damnned right the Canadians know about her. Dysplasic hips, inherited immune diseases ect. Refusal to hand over papers - among other things.
It is all well and good for us to vent and/or use this board to warn potential victims, but isn't there anything we as a whole or as an individual can do to stop this woman? At least from being able to register her dogs?
The last time I looked on both sites, it was almost like a liquidation of her breeding stock. I have a feeling that she is liquidating, then getting ready to start over again. What a travesty.
On a side note: I was saddened to read all of the personal attacks on Victoria. I feel that it cheapens the facts posted here and what this thread is meant to do - warn the public and express our grievences. Someone's physical appearance has absolutely nothing to do with being a dishonest and blatantly dispicable breeder. This is about German Shepherds. Just my opinion. |
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| Is it just the one puppy thing or is there more? Would someone who had a dog from there need to have it DNA'd or something to make sure it is who it is supposed to be? I think the change to vom berlin was because she moved there. Thanks |
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Luvdogs,
Did you get a puppy from Victoria? Is that why you'd like to down-play the cheating and dyeing? What is the basis for your supposition (or wishful thinking?) that Victoria moved to Berlin? Because, she did NOT change her kennel name "because she moved there." She is STILL IN OREGON! She changed her kennel name to distance herself and so people would not know it is the same now-infamous Gold-Berg kennels--that is obvious.
No, she did not move to Berlin. She's not far from where she was before. No, we are not talking about a one-time dyeing incident. If you read the thread, that should be clear. Why would you think that someone who has NO PROBLEM with publicly stating she dyes dogs would only do it once?
I am curious--it it were "only" one documented instance of dyeing a puppy and selling it based on the photo of the dyed puppy, would that somehow make you feel that there is no problem? How many instances would it take for you to consider it an indication?
You do have a puppy from her, don't you? My sympathies. |
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| No No, I am sorry I did not mean in any way to say that dying even one puppy was ok!! It is not! I just wanted to know if other things besides dying have been done -- like make sure the puppy has the right parents?? Right bloodlines? I do not mean to downplay that is not my intent at all. Berlin road in Lebanon oregon, not berlin berlin I am sorry like I said I did not know if she kept molalla kennel just that she lives in Lebanon. |
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| BUMP, with the NASS coming up, this issue needs to remain in the forefront. |
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I have one of her dogs and after reading all this, now I don't know what I have or what I should do to find out what I have???? any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance |
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| The von Berlin site is down. Wonder whether Victoria is going to set up shop with yet another name? I guess we will see.
Remember, Vicki, you can run, but you really cannot hide. The schutzhund community is just too small to allow that. See ya! LOL |
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Ms Victoria Anderson, Driggs, Roe
Your advertising, emails and photos were all just a LIE, you even went so far as to color the puppy's paws for the photo you sent us. Later you encouraged us to do the same should we decide to show him ! You can run and change your kennel name, but you can not hide...still waiting for papers
puppy you advertised
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puppy we received with gorgeous white socks
From: Victoria
Hello, sorry for the delay, I just returned from the Canadian Nationals this morning at 4:00 a.m. The puppies you are inquiring about are 1500, the female is sold but both males are available, both have outstanding personalities and are both very well bred and beautiful. The puppies come from a super hip line and are 100% European bred. Both boys will make a 10 family dog and are also very much suitable for breed/show.
Hope this helps, kindly Victoria.
From: Victoria
Hey, try not to fret about the paws, I have already explained via my husband that this happens at times with some GSD bloodlines, Quwaz will turn red as his back feet, it is not that big of a deal as his overall pigment is outstanding. Kindly, Victoria
To: Victoria
Victoria,
So I understand correctly, are you saying the white on his front paws is not permanent and will turn red like his back feet?
From: Victoria
Ask away, I also have a reputable person who will agree that the feet will be fine.
I do not care what your friend says or the Kormiester as I also have friends who are Kormiesters and if I put things to them as is, they will agree the feet are fine considering the rest of the pigmentation and since you did not buy a breed/ show puppy it does not matter if they do not completely turn tan. I do not give refunds nor will I exchange a perfectly good puppy for another, and especially to you. You need to calm down and quit complaining, do you not realize the quality of your puppy and how lucky you are to pay such a cheap price for him????
Victoria
From: Victoria
I just got your letter the day after Christmas, and since Thanksgiving I have been going through a divorce, please work with me on this, you really do have the same puppy as the one you wanted, I used Kalium Permanganate on his feet and was going to tell you that if you wanted to show him you would have to spray this on his feet until the white disappeared. Can you tell me if the white has gone away yet?
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I will even pay for his tattoo or microchip, I just really need to not have more stress in my life right now. Please, I have three boys under the age of 7 that are depending on me. I know I disappointed you and did not tattoo him when I said I would, I completely apologize, but really Quwazi is Quwazi, the same as the one you picked in the photo, his brother has short mole hair and his ears are set high on his head, there were only two boys.
Thank you, kindly Victoria |
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| Thanks for posting the pictures of your puppy and the one advertised. To be honest they don't even look like the same puppy with or without white feet. The puppy you received doesn't even look like it has the same kind of coat and the advertised puppy looks like it has a bigger bone structure and male head. It's too bad that they can't make breeders tattoo the puppies at the vets when they get their first shots so puppies can't be switched. The next time I buy a puppy from the Internet I will only buy using escrow, and the transaction is completed when both parties are happy. I have one of her dogs without papers also. |
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| Or...don't buy puppies from the internet. :-) Check with people at trials and shows for the names of reputable breeders in your area. |
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Rumor has it Kennel Gold-Berg/Vom Berlin maybe making an appearance at NASS.
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Can you tell me if the white has gone away yet?
I can't believe she had the nerve to ask if the white had gone away yet. I agree, looks like a different dog.
Unreal. |
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| Euro1,
Not knowing who you are, I have no idea how you come by this rumor. But,...I think you may be right: Victoria has been spotted apparently preparing dogs for a show in Centennial Park in Woodburn, Oregon in the last week or so. What else is coming up, other than the NASS? :-) I guess we will see how far the dye prohibition and testing at the show goes.
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| I remember when this happened. Definitely those photos show two different puppies. Thanks for re-posting the information. |
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Looks like two different puppies to me.
Maybe if she didn't go around lying, cheating and deceiving poeple, she would not be so
"stressed." Personally, I hope she gets an ulcer. |
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| Wonder why this thread is kept alive and the one on J. Martinez gets trashed? Guess it pays to have friends in high places |
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| remember during last winter, any time Mittelwest name was posted in a thread, it would disappear? |
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Brady Before .... Brady Today !
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