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Classified: Super Friendly Young Female
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After the whelping - questions (19 replies)
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I have a few questions if you please:
1/ The panting...wow! We are about 2.5 days post partum right now and she is panting up a storm. Is that normal? For how long do they pant?
2/ How long do they normally have an elevated temperature?
3/ The discharge - what are the normal colors and amounts? We have seen some globs that are rather clottish and quite dark and stringy. It is on the whelping box carpet...sound about right?
4/ What are you finding the avg weight gain for your pups over the first week or 2?
5/ Diarrhea -is this due to the placenta ingestion or all the food she is eating? When does it usually subside?
6/ Milk production - when does the milk come in? Is it like a human where it takes a few days? The puppies have gained weight and BEFORE whelping if I squeezed a nipple I would see milk/colostrum. Now...if I squeeze I get nothing. But the pups are gaining and not whining....so....what's the norm?
7/ Not question but...any tips for the first few weeks?
her temp is 103 give or take a bit. She is eating and drinking reasonably well. Not listless (maybe a bit tired). We are almost 3 days now post whelping. The temp in her area is 77 or 78 - no additional heat sources right now. The pups do not always huddle nor are they always spread apart. The dam is not showing signs of dehydration.
The pups are not screaming (only once in a while someone will until they find a nipple). I just can't really pinch out milk.
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Kmaot
I am no expert, but usually a bitch temp goes down 24hrs before whelping, not sure but a temp of 103 is too high and from my experience heavy panting usually stops after the bitch whelps. Are you certain that she has not retained a placenta? I would consult my vet asap.
Sean.
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| Your bitch needs a vet visit to make sure there isn't a dead pup or a placenta retained. |
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| I agree - they do tend to pant for a while after whelping but are usually completely settled by the second day, unless too hot under amn infra red lamp for example. But raised temperature and diarrhea are not normal - mine always eat the placentas but have never had diarrhea. She may be fine, especially as the puppies seem fine, but I would get her checked out, she could hvave a retained placenta or slight infection. As for puppy weight gain, puppies weighing on average 500-600g at birth weigh around 1kg at one week and 1.5kg at 2 weeks - on average- growth is quicker with smaller litters. I think the milk is already there from what you describe - you need to squeeze above the nipple to get it out, not the nipple itself. |
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| I have talked with the vet. The female did have a cleanout shot post whelping. We do not feel that there is anything retained. |
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| Forgot to say the discharge sounds normal, and how long it lasts is variable - it is usually more profuse and last longer if oxytocin was administered. |
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I don't think 103 is abnormal.. and you can expect discharge for up to 8 weeks after whelping.. to some degree.. the panting.. hmm.. is she nervous? is this her first litter? is there to much activity around the whelping area? If her puppies are gaining weight.. they are getting milk.. some bitches do have diarrhea for a few days after whelping..
jody |
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Excessive panting is often chacteristic of hypocalcemia. You may wish to discuss this with your vet. If he does not wish to address this possible condition with parenteral (IV) treatment, you may consider buying and some calcium gluconate powder (NOW is an excellent brand) and mix it with cottage cheese several times a day.
Giving her folic acid tablets 1600 mcg daily may help with milk let-down--continue throughout lactation. DE (food-grade diatomaceous earth) is known to improve milk production in cattle. DE will also firm up mom's stool. |
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| Louise - I am offering her cottage cheese , goat's milk and Puppy Gold to try and keep her calcium levels up. thanks for your recommendations.... |
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This is good. However, you don't really know if the calcium in food/additives is doing the job without checking serum Ca+ levels. The calcium in food products is generally not absorbed into the blood stream.
However, you may wish to treat her for hypocalcemia empirically (based on symptoms). Either let the vet give calcium gluconate IV or give the Ca+Glu- powder orally (absorbed in this form across the mucous membranes directly into the blood stream).
Don't forget about the folic acid and DE for milk let-down--give throughout lactation. Give the DE in the first supplemental feedings to the pups--to get rid of any possible internal parasites. |
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Folic acid and DE for milk letdown? I had never heard of that.
Blessed thistle perhaps...but not folic acid or DE. |
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| I did some folic acid research after you had posted Louise - I found some references with regard to cattle milk production and folic acid as well |
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| Hope Mum and puppies are doing well? |
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Hi oso. Yes, i think we have turned a corner. Temp is now in the low 102s...down from 103s. The trend is now down. Panting is less and my bitch's appetite is now voracious.
The pups are gaining - I would love to hear what your experiences are with regard to birth weights and growth rates. I may start a new thread on this if there are only a few replies here.
Thanks again. I think we are moving in the right direction. |
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Louise: I bought two bags of food grade DE is this what you are talking about in this thread to give orally?
DE is new to me,,but my vet friend suggested it for the flower beds and in the nursery floor and around my inside sun room and home for prevention of any fleas or bug.s.. copperheads also will be effected with the crossing over DE...am I right??
DE is new to me....so never too old to learn... I am covering my front fenced doggie place , where the copperhead bit Abby before whelp,, and the one male rules the roost there...It was suggested to cover the area around the house with DE..... it says FOOD GRADE on the sacks......
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YR.
I'm new to DE also. I gather that all "food grades" DE are not created equal. Cruise around the Shadow Ridge donkey site--you'll see what I mean. There are plenty of other sites selling what is purportedly food grade DE for less.
However, I went to Shadow Ridge because of favorable comments from a couple of friends who shopped there. i bought a bulk !0# bag (with no label) of DE for only $27 including shipping. My friends told me that they felt more energized, had fewer GI problems, and grew more abundant, soft, shiny hair.
Of course, these claims may be regarded as anecdotal. However, I figure that DE can't hurt. I will know more after a couple of months.
DE is taken orally. It has no taste and is water dispersible. I take a tablespoon (mixed in juice or whatever) a couple of times daily. The dogs get ~1 teaspoon with their morning meal.
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i WILL WAIT AND SEE IF YOU CROAK BEFORE i TAKE IT.
iT IS KINDA LIKE THE LIMU PRODUCT....SOME WISE MAN WENT TO THE SOUTH SEAS ISLANDS AND WENT DOWN AND UNCOVERED THE LIMU SEAWEED PLANTS AND FOUND OUT THEY EAT AND USE THEM AND THE ISLANDERS ARE NEVER SICK,,NO CANCERS..ETC SO HE PATENTED IT AND THE SEA AROUND THE ISLANDS ARE HIS TO DIG AND PRODUCE LIMU....SELLING FOR 139.00 FOR 4 BOTTLES...... NOT MY POCKETBOOK PRICE....
YOU ARE TAKING IT..??????? IT IS LIKE POWDER SILKEY....BUT WILL GET IN NOSE....
i PUT IT ALL OVER IN NURSERY MY VET FRIEND SENT ME THE FIRST INFO ON IT..HE USES IT AT HIS RANCH...
MY SWIMMING POOL MAN TOLD ME THEY USE IT IN SWIMMING POOLS IN FILTERING SYSTEMS.....WOW.....WHAT A PRODUCT....IT IS FUNNY FEELING......I WOULD BE SCARED TO PUT IT IN ANY DRINK......JUST BECAUSE I SEE IT ON MY FLOOR....????  |
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yellowrose of Texas: YOU ARE TAKING IT..??????? IT IS LIKE POWDER SILKEY....BUT WILL GET IN NOSE....
Yes, YR, it is fine and silky--looks much like talc or cocaine (LOL)! However, I don't snort it!
DE is readily dispersible in water--forms a cloudy suspension in water. You can mix it with water and apply with a spray bottle for application around the house for topical application on dogs. Hey, just think how nice it would be to add it to puppies' weaning slurry and not have to worry about worming the little critters!
Don't worry--I'm not quite ready to croak! |
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The DE from Shadow Ridge comes from natural, fresh water deposits and claims to be ~87% silica.
Silica is available in most health/natural food stores. I have a bottle of liquid silica that says it supports "bones, joints, muscle, connective tissue, hair, skin, teeth, gums, heart, brain function" and that it "helps accerate the body's natural recovery time". |
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