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Classified: 5 YR BELGIUM IMPORT SCH3 VERY HARD
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Yasko puppies (12 replies)
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| Does anyone know of any Yasko puppies that have been born in the US since his importation? Were they from shipped semen or natural breeding? Please respond privately.
I really like this dog and am interested in a puppy out of him or would like to breed something to him.
thanks
susan |
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| Susan,
You could check with Bill Fleischer of Fleischerheim German Shepherds. http://www.fleischerheim.com/Indexlitters.htm
Birdy... |
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| Try Del Cono Sur Kennels. Very serious breeder.
http://www.delconosur.net/pages/aboutus.htm |
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| Susan,
make sure you also check out Bill's garentee. I would look for a breeder that had a better one.
Heather |
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| Besides,have you checked out Bill's stringent requirements (at the bottom of the stud page) for breeding bitches to any of his males: http://www.fleischerheim.com/IndexImportedStudDogs.htm
Seriously, how many breeders are going to want to jump through this many hoops just to have a natural breeding with Yasko? For what--a single breeding and guarantee of perhaps one puppy (live?).
Louise |
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| Louise, that is very basic stud management. Most owners of the top studs in Germany require nothing less. Except for Brucellosis, its not a problem in Germany, ...yet.
Brucellosis test should always be a given, no idea why that would be a hoop to jump through. If you have it in your kennel, it can spred pretty easily and affect all of your breeding stock. This is also for your protection, to make sure your bitch will not bring it home after breeding. You should always ask for a recent Brucellosis test for the male as well. Do not let the stud dog owner just brush you off with saying it is required for all females so he does not need it. A dog that is shown a lot for example can pick it up there too.
Culture swab should also be a given. As a matter of fact, most German breeders routinely "clean up" the bitch with antibiotics at the onset of the heat cycle to make sure there is nothing that will interefere with conception and pregnancy. Two breeder friends who did not bother recently had to do an emergency spay each because their bitches had developed an infection during pregnancy. They lost the litters of course and now have top females that are fixed. The vets opinion in both cases - females must have had something at the time of breeding already, and it could most likely have been avoided by addressing it before the breeding. I am usually against the use of antibiotics unless absolutely unavoidable, think they are hopelessly overused. This is where I make an exception.
Progesterone testing helps the owner determine the best time for breeding. If they accompany their bitch they do not have to stay a week or more for the right time. Who would have the time for that anyways? And once you have a popular stud and you have several people coming for stud cover per month, you want to make sure they are not just taking up your time for nothing. Progresterone testing is not 100%, but at least it helps. Any stud dog owner of a top male who has someone coming for a breeding every other day or so would laugh in your face if you could not be sure that the timing was right. I see absolutely no problem there. My time is just as valuable.
IMO all stud dog owners would be wise to require the same for live cover, and all bitches owners would be wise to make sure such measures are in effect for all females going to that stud. Never mind the male, it ensures the health of the bitches being bred to that dog. |
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| I can understand how one would find "jumping through hoops" quite annoying. There is however a flip side to that coin. When a person pays a small fortune to aquire a well known famous dog-it's understandable why all measures would have to be taken to assure said dog's health and reputation are kept in tact. I know of one very famous dog who lost his life when bred to a bitch with Brucellosis. I have an extra large son of Yasko,who is like my child. I admit I am prejudice when it comes to Yasko and his offspring. |
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| http://www.camelotfarms.com/ |
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| LouiseM.
Only my opinion and with regard: If you're not willing to comply with a few basis requirements in order to be able to use this particular dog, I doubt if you're wearing your thinking-cap quite the right way!
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| If you get a puppy from Bill Fleischer be prepared to pay HUGE price for a Yasko pup... Almost all of his bitches that's being bred to Yasko will be marked as
ULTIMATE Show/Breeding/Schutzhund potential "Super Stars" $5000 - $7500 & up because Yasko is a VA dog.
Who's going to pay that much for a crap shooting puppy? I can get a SchH2 bitch with good pedigree for $6000!!!
Another thing is don't forget to ask a contract guaranteeing that the 8 week old puppy that you're planning on getting will get "A" normal hips plus getting very high conformation and schutzhund rating and able to breed high quality dogs. (Know that sounds silly).
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| http://www.camelotfarms.com/
Yes, in addition to requiring brucellosis testing, I do use the tests from Camelot Farms for ovulation timing for bitches being bred to my studs. It is a qualitative rather than a quantitative progesterone test.
Quite frankly, owners of many bitches with minor histories of non-conception are referred to me for breeding with my males because of my reputation of being able to determine the day of ovulation with a proven record of accuracy--resulting in many pregnancies and excellent puppies! Because of their histories and because they may ovulate on different days during various estrous cycles, I ask the bitch owners to bring or ship the bitches to me ASAP.
This allows the bitches to "settle in" and actually establish a "courtship" relation with my males--just as they would in nature. I treat the bitches as if they were my own personal pets. They are not crated or kenneled. They get to frolic in the yard and roll in the grass with the male. They come into the house, sleep loose with my male in my bedroom (sometimes, I awaken and find a visiting bitch cuddled up next to me on my bed!)--unless they are bleeding heavily or the "couple" is too active shortly prior to, during, and after ovulation. During the last USA Sieger Show, I even brought along a visiting bitch who slept in my motel room. She has been confirmed pregnant and is due to whelp shortly.
I'm not running a breeding factory. I'm doing a real SERVICE to these bitch owners (who often breed to my Ursus son instead of shipping to Yasko). The bitches are bred multiple times shortly before, during, and after ovulation.
So...let "people laugh in my face".
Louise |
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| I've worked extensively with a veterinarian who specializes in canine reproduction. My dogs and bitches have even been used for "hands on" classroom experience for veterinary students. This vet also taught me how to accurately read vaginal cytology and to perform artificial inseminations.
However, when it came to vaginal cultures, this respected veterinarian does not think that they should be routine or mandatory. Her candid remark: "Stick a swab up your vagina, Louise, culture it, and see if something doesn't grow"!!
The point is that the vaginal vault is not a STERILE environment. There are many species of bacteria present. Just because these bacteria replicate in a culture medium IN VITRO does not mean that they exist in pathogenic numbers IN VIVO.
If someone wanted to send me a bitch after a course of antibiotics or with a history of "resolved" Mycoplasma, I would recommend not breeding the bitch or, at least, refuse them a natual breeding and would insist on AI.
Louise
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