German Shepherd dog

Take as much time to watch this as we do to talk about how a cop shoots some dog.

http://www.news10.net/video/default.aspx

Scroll to video 31-45 and watch. At least the one of his wife.......

I have been a cop for 3 years and been to 4 funerals; one of which was my friend.

In Sacramento and Yolo counties alone there have been 8 officers killed in the line of duty since 2005.

When we are all up in arms about a dog that got shot, let's keep it in perspective. While unfortunate, it is a dog.

 LE officers have a right to go home to their families in one piece. That includes not getting dog bit.

>  In a perfect world this would not happen, unfortunatly we do not live in perfect kind of world .other posters on this board  ensure we are kept aware of this each and every day!.

>  Instead of bitching or complaining about the system all the time, why don't you freekin crybabys secretly overthrow a government, invite all the perfect people to migrate to this perfect country you are going to build. Next institute your own perfect government ,elect your perfect legislators, write your own perfect constitution, select your perfect religion as well as a perfect police/military force, then you won't have to waste yours and our time bitching about it anymore as all your time can be spent keeping your own world "perfect" because there will be no crime and certainly no reason to have some other nation want to overthrrow your perfect government or criticize your perfect religion.

By all means let's keep it in perspective. If the reporting is correct, the dog was shot 9 times. Nine times bespeaks panic and poor marksmanship. The officer needs more range time. The department's public relations training needs some work too. Shooting an innocent homeowner's dog then refusing to either administer a coup de grace or allowing the dog to be taken to an emergency vet should not be SOP.  Yes, it was a dog this time. There have also been cases of innocent people getting shot in similar circumstances. What I saw in this case was a lack of officer training and perhaps procedures that need to be changed. This case should be a warning to that department to tighten up both. A formal apology and a financial reimbursment to the dog's owner would be appropriate too. I don't know if either were done.

I support my local sheriff's association. I think most LEOs do the best job they can. But there seems to be room for improvement in this particular case if the news report is correct.

>  Funny I don't remember anything in both of my acadamies pertaining to any type training such as you have described!! Perhaps you could give me a first hand actual account of this type of training I have received in both of my acadamy classes and then I could elaborate on same.

GARD,

Keep up the good work!

EIsenFaust,

It could as easily be said that the bad guys are ramping up their arsenals due to LE moving into a more militarized mode.  Personally, and from my own experience, I am much more afraid of a cop with an automatic weapon than I am of some gang banger.  The reason for this is that the cop could kill me, one of my family or my dogs just because he felt like it and get off scot free whereas the banger likely couldn't.

Ugly dog,

You must have nothing better to do than sit around looking to pick fights/arguments on this data base, etc. You must get a kick out of it or you wouldn't do it so often.  Everyone has a right to their opinion(s) but opinions often change when someone is face to face with the reality of someone elses job/career/experiences.  It's easy to say what you would do or what should have been done after the fact.  It's a completely different matter when the situation evolves in less than 30 seconds and lives are on the line.  Do you not shoot the dog when it is closing in on your partner, when at the time I'm sure they didn't realize they were at the wrong location, which at that point didn't matter, what mattered at that point was keeping the officer's safe.  I don't think anyone on this board condones ramdomly taking the life of a pet since we are all animal lovers.  But let's not go over board bad mouthing people who are trying to do their job.  There are good and bad in EVERY profession and every walk of life, just look around and you can find both.  Is your glass half empty or half full.  Relax a little, calm down, enjoy what time you have left, life is short, I know it takes time to look up and copy/paste all that crap you love to post on here.  And besides you never know tomorrow one of your 'suicide bombers' might take you out, so calm down and enjoy today and every day, they are a blessing. :o)  

Teri          

GARD,

Read Proud Shepherd Poppa's post and you will get an eye opener on why our nation is crashing.  Having worked with felons for many years, it is this type of thinking that scars me more than the bad guys.  I expect the bad guys to be bad, that's their job.  But when John Doe tax payer thinks this way, it scars me to death to think of what we are becoming.  You could not pay me enough money to be a cop today knowing that there are many who think this way.

Proud Shepherd Poppa,  the next time you have a crisis involving your family, I know some real sweet bangers you can have come out to help out.  They will jack you for your car, every single thing you own, take you and your families lives without blinking an eye.  If you are vulnerable, they will exploit it as far as they can take it.  They say a conservative is a liberal that has gotten victumized.  All of the millions upon millions of dollars we spend every year to try and negotiate, treat, councel, rehabilitate, build parks, provide healthy ulternatives does not work.  It may help a few indiividuals hear and there, but it has not made a dent on the gang problems.  Now I know you can come up with some stats that may say other wise, but most of these stats are gathered by those that are using the money or politicians that want to make their watch look good.  Example:  A stat may say "crime is down".  It is based on how many people are sent to prison/jail for crimes that year.  It does not include the fact that LE has suffered cut backs, loop holes in the law that release criminals, or over crowded jails that force judges to look for ulternative placements.  I could go on and on, but I need to drop this for my own reasons of frustration.

I know this from years of experience.  You know why they are as powerful as they are?  Because we have gullible, naive bleeding hearts that don't get it, don't understand what we are dealing with, and watch too much Oprah.  Bangers are in control of the streets because we have handicapped our selves with letting these guys know they have over the top "Rights".  We have created an arrogant young group of people that think and believe that they have the right to do what ever pleases them and NO ONE has the right to stop them.  They have the most suffisticated weapons available.  LE. is ALWAYS behind the curve, always trying to catch up to the bad guys, but always being handcuffed by a naive Nation that cannot see the trees through the forrest.

What ever you do, don't call a cop.  Heavens to bid, you may get the one cop out of 10,000 that is not a good cop.  You will always no the bad ones because the press/media loves to spread this across the nation for evey one to see.

May be laws need to be changed, I would think that if a home is posted (beware of dog ) that would be enough to call for K-9 to come before entering private property, with or with out bad guys I though that is why they are trained to go in a head of the police, it seems simple even if your doing a surprise raid. The police need to be protected but also need to respect warnings ,we have protection dogs for just that reason and to think there is poodles behind the gate is fool hardy,and should be held accountable if they  make a mistake . It all seems to come down to property, are they our property or not? Mine ! she is my love, but the law says she is property. What happens if someone is caught vandalizing your property, I belive they will go to jail or get sued. So just who rights are being violated when a mistake is made and an animal or child is killed in a mistake.A mother leaves the room and a dog kills ,she is in jail. Just a thought that they may need to get laws around animals in some kind of order,as I think most are unsure what is safe for police and animals, but reading a sign would be a good start.

uglydog is locked and loaded

>  My former chief allowed no semi auto weapons period in our vehicles! we carried shotguns only. We use to get a kick out of this when arresting bad guys in a house, vehicle or on person with just these shotguns while  confiscating AK 47s, Bushmaster AR 15s, Other assault rifles with high power scopes, any type sidearm you can imagine. All this and more and we were only allowed shotguns for a backup weapon.

>  Don't try to pull the wool over my eye that civilians are arming because of us so called becoming more of a military type profession. 99% of these people arrested had prior arrests, served time or were actively committing crimes at the time of their arrest or were just being buttholes!! I can't recall a single arrest I made confiscating a weapon as mentioned where it was for home protection!! I did however have a few say it was for hunting!

Ugly dog don't concern yourself with who I defend.  You are wrong, I was not making excuses for LEO's, I was pointing out some facts.  LEO's have a tough job that few have the patience, stomach or desire to do.  Not all departments have tazer's, officers are obligated to follow the SOP's and/or SOG's of their organization or THEY get into trouble when they don't.  LEO's have to follow the rules unlike the criminals walking the streets, malls, etc. looking for victims to score some money for their drug habits, etc.   Again it's easy to sit back in your easy chair and point fingers without all the facts.  Unless you were there you shouldn't be judging these officers.  There is alot that goes on at scenes that isn't included in written reports because they are moving to the next incident.  The area my boyfrien works is a shit hole, he runs from homicide, to domestic violence to a child beaten to death by it's own parent(s), to drugies and prostitutes, etc.  Where do you think the LEO's minds are after seeing a baby with a head the size of a basket ball from being beaten repeatidly for days and the swealing is so severe that the child is brain dead from the pressure on it's poor little brain.  I don't know how he or any other LEO keep their sanity, I'd be more than tempted to shoot the SOB who did that to any child and not think twice.  Yes there are bad officers as I said before but there are more good ones even after dealing with shit like this day in day out.  I don't know this departments policies and I doubt you do either.  Many agencies in my area have very strict rules to adhere to.  It's not like football, when you make a mistake on the streets you don't get a flag.  You get much worse.  Next time you or anyone see's an officer, firefighter or teacher you should thank them for their service to our community and children.

Teri   

ugly spin once again.