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Classified: Vegas du Haut Mansard/Pupy mail misspelled fixedit
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GSD and Cats (23 replies)
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OK here goes. I just got a e-mail from a puppy buyer . I have not talked to her for about 4 months. All was great then.
I e-mailed her to check up as the pups are 8 months old now.. She said that this pup will not stop chasing the cats and corrnering them. She also had the dog with her moms cats and one drew blood and the dog did not notice. She said that she can not get the pup to make any eye contact but the pup chalenges her for learship all the time . she stays in a crate a lot becasue she takes toys from the 3 year old baby and will not stop chasing the cats..
She has ahd 3 other GSD's and is not new to the breed,.
A profectional behavorist told her that she will just not have to alow her to be around the baby or the cats and to keep them all seperated.
I am looking for Sugestions to give her. It is hard as i am not close to her. We have cats and the pups were raised around them. The only pup who showed bad cats habits stayed with me and we have worked through the problems. and she watched but wont chase them anymore.. She got a butt kicken for it and we dont do it anymore. I would like to be able to send her some ideas from other who have worked through this.
the pups father was never arouns cats before he got here. we have trained his not to mess with them eather.. but it was hard work. but i made it very clear from day one that i was going to get him bad for it..
Any ideas would be great ... |
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Bottom line is you sold a pup to someone who does not have a clue about how to manage a family containing a dog, cat and baby. I would strongly suggest you find someone that is a REALLY competent trainer and suggest that the woman enroll in some private lessons. This must be someone who really understands GSDs, prey drive, how to set limits and how to teach this woman how to deal with the situation. If she does not get some help, I can guarantee you that you are going to get asked to take the pup back, or worse, the dog will end up killing the cat, hurting the baby (whether aggressively or just in taking the toy) and she will dump it in a shelter.
This is the kind of situation I get calls about all the time with people wanting to dump the dog in a rescue. Only this happens normally after some sort of tragedy, such as a few weeks ago when a woman called me to tell me her GSD of 7 years, left alone with an 18 month old child outside, was found pinning the child to the ground and had bitten the child. I told her she was lucky the dog did not kill the baby. People are idiots about how to manage dogs and children and other pets. This is why one must be VERY stringent in to whom they sell. I personally would NOT have sold a dog into this situation.
I hope you can get this resolved before it becomes a lot worse. |
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It is a mother who doesnt know how to discipline the kids or the pup...She needs discipline on the pup . And I mean strict discipline...SHe also needs to teach pup not to take toys ,DOGs have to be trained. Kids need training. ANd she can use the kennel for sometime relief but my guess , is she is afraid to raise a hand to either.
Discipline often means getting the switch out and using swift and harsh rules in place.
I dont think cats belong with german shepherds anyway for various reasons.
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What Hodie said.
Obedience Obedience Obedience Obedience......
Did I mention Obedience Training?
Preferably with a balanced trainer. |
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First you better tell her what one is...Obvious she doesnt know that or the breeder wouldnt be here.
Sounds like a m ess to me. ANyone that talks to a dog behaviourist is off to the looney bin.
Pups have not even known what they are to do in the first place..Whose fault is that. The person who bought the dog.
A behavourist is an overpain Dr Spock who doesnt believe in anything short of Oh No poopy , dont do that / Nautty nautty, now dont do that.
Get my drift.
This pup ought to be already sitting, downing and tracking . Why is it chasing cats.? Does she not know a ball on a rope is an attention getter . If the pup was in her control she ought to be focused by this time. I believe the breeder ought to buy this pup back and run the other way.
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I will take the pup back if that is what needs to happen. She has been working with a profetional trainer since the pup was 3 months old doing Obed training. I dont know know what methods of obed they are using and the dog is crated any time she can not watch the pup. I would like to be albe to give her some advice that has worked for other people becasue not keeping the dog is out of the question at this point .though i have offered to take her back. |
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If she has been working with a "professional trainer" then I suggest that either the trainer does not know what he/she is doing or the woman is plain and simple unable to manage. Either way, this is a disaster ready to happen. Suggest she find a different trainer. Let us know where she is and perhaps someone here or on another list can help find someone who can deal with this. I have cats and dogs together. NO CHASING or CORNERING is allowed. The woman may not be a strong enough person to deal with the situation, may be unable to be consistent or set limits and enforce and give consequences. How much exercise does the pup get besides being in the house and then perhaps outside now and then to eliminate?
The real issue here is whether either the woman or the trainer can deal with this situation. I suggest you be very straightforward with her and let her know that this is a potentially dangerous situation should it continue and escalate. It must be stopped now. One cannot fix a problem if one does not acknowledge it exists. |
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I would be more worried about the dog hurting the child than not chasing the cats....although neither should be happening. As Hodie said, I don't believe that homes with small children are good puppy candidates.You probably should offer to take the puppy back, I think this is a recipe for disaster. I love cats, too, but if the puppy gets overly assertive with a 3 year old, it could easily do major damage to the child without even trying. One swipe of a toenail/paw near a little one's face could leave a scar that the child would have forever, and if the woman is so irresponcible that the puppy has enough access to the child that it can take the child's toys away, then it is only a matter of time before an accident happens. You'd not only be saving the puppy & the child, but maybe your butt as well! Good luck! jackie harris |
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Sounds more like the woman just doesn't manage her dogs correctly, not that the pup is not trained well enough. 8 months is still young and at that age I would not have a pup anywhere near my kid on the floor or loose with cats. Traning isn't the issue...yet. The pup needs a kennel or crate and that's the owners job to make that call. |
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LOL..."professional behaviorist" aka "quack!" Locking the puppy up will never teach it good manners! She needs to stop making excuses fo rthe fact that she has not trained that puppy. How sad that she sticks it in the crate all the time. Her trainer either sucks, or she doesn't listen to her trainer at all. She is obviously not the boss in that household and needs to take control. If she lives near Chicago/MIlwaukee you can send her my way, I'll give her a reality check. |
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Jackie I didn't see your post when I posted but agree with it for the most part, except I run a daycare, have many kids here and the dogs are up when the kids are here...end of story. I would have thought having 3 other GSD's this lady would have her head out of her ass a little nore than most. Unfortunatly for Weberhaus, not the case. If I was the breeder I would tell her like it is, in no sugar coated terms. Either put the pup up until you have control or send it back NOW!
Nobody has even asked if this is a pet or working pup, if it's a pet go ahead and bang on it to get through. It may be a tough ass little dog that can take corrections with no ill effects but until we know that, I woudn't suggest it be fully controlable at 8 months. I think it's more than the owner that needs a reality check.
If I were to take my 6 month old pup and teach her some manners today, it wouldn't be pretty and she most likely would never forget it or be the same after. So the "poor dog" gets to sit in a kennel until she is old enough to control herself in public. Sad and tragic I know, banished to the outside or to a crate. Not so sad if it means your kids, cats and the dog are all safe (that's the important thing here) and unknown to most, even being locked up does teach dogs/puppies things. |
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But this dog is living as a pet, 4pack. It may be better off in a working home but must learn to adjust. And I was referring to giving the owner a reality check, not the pup.  |
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I think this Lady has waaaaaayyyyy too much on her hands right now. I think this puppy is too energetic to be in that houseold. I would suggest you take back the puppy before this behaviors is reinforcing and offer her the chance to get another one later or simply refund it. You can also take it back for training but I don't know if you doing that kind of things.
We have to bee very careful to make to correct match when we sell our puppies. When a house has too much kids..dogs or you see that there a lack of leadership it is always the dogs that pays at the end and that's a shame. i'd rather loose a sell than take back a dog that is then stuck with unwanted behaviors. Sometimes it takes a lot of time to rehabilitate and retrain.
Cats and GSD goes very well together..I have 9 cats 4 GSD and no problems. They know it's their cats..but stray cats..humm not the same !! |
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The pup needs a reality check too...no way I allow a pup that old to tell me what he is gonna do..not the correct way to train a rambo pup. It is obvious neither have training . THe woman or the pup..You do not let a pup run you. You establish in your house from day one..I am the pack leader. You do as I say when I say and how. Most people are way too soft on discipline and that is the reason things get in this kind of mess. Doesnt have a thing to do with not a good working or pet dog. Either onr has to have harse consistant discipline and it you cannot do it, you dont need to be raising the german shepherd dog. This is the reason they are in pounds, and are in trouble biting children, other dogs and people. The owners dont know what discipline is for the kids or the dogs. ,or for that fact a cat. Cats can be disciplined also. They make good house pets if you impliment rules and discipline then from day one also.
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great pics........... thats what a good dog should do......... love it's family, cats and all |
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I'm new here .... but I thought I add my two cents. I have been raising my new working pup(Pike lines) right along-side my now-toddler. The pup is 15mo, the toddler 18mo, both are male.
What worked for me was a couple of simple rules .... Play, happens outside. Inside is bones and chews and chillin out. That means teaching a very clear 'settle' command.
The second rule I taught him by 14 wks was 'Leave it', This was right up there with kennel up and Off, and yet It didnt take a correction coller(although this pup might need one now), just consistancy and clear correction and always having bones available.
This same dog is going for his BH this fall and should have his 2 at least by next september.
She definitely needs help from someone with experience with high prey dogs .... maybe a hunter ..... someone who has labs/retrievers.
good luck |
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Owner problem. That woman DOES NOT understand canine behavior and/ormotivationsand psychology despite the comment of her not being hew to the breed. Any breedof dogcan exibit that problem.
She needs to enroll that dog in obedience class and she needs to establish the pack structure in the family, the sooner the better. A well run household is a happy hosehold where everyone clearly knows their place. With dogs like that, if you give them an inch, they'll takeit,then after a while will try for more, until it gets out of hand. It is nothing you did to the dogas a puppy, that developed with his new pack.
It is only going to get worse with the dog challenging her, almost guaranteed until a stop is put toit and the dog learns his place. A dog that clearly knows his positionon the pack is a happy dog. |
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I wished I had owned a cat, but sadly I do not, perhaps oneday.
My neighbour has two cats and they like to wonder up my roof garage to get to other places. It annoys the hell out of my dogs. I have even seen the two cats perched up and purring at the dogs. I had my flower pots and plants destroyed by the mad barking and jumping dogs.
Unfortunately (I feel) it would not be possible to make better in this situation. I call the dogs off and bring them back into the house and quietly shoo away the cats. I prefer to keep a neighbourly atmosphere.
I have managed to teach the dogs to leave baby toys alone as they are not fun things. I totally agree with the rules offered by SarahKatie. Forget obedience classes, use common dog sense and establish rules, boundaries and limitations in the household. Be consistent. "Locking the puppy up will never teach it good manners! " Well said KCzaja.
Get to watch Cesar Millan. He trains people and rehabilitate dogs!!! |
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The problem is solvable, patiently and subordination.
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