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Classified: Mazedonian Sieger Zuchtschau 2008
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Ethics exposed! (53 replies)
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This person (PeggySue) of http://www.germanshepherdsecurity.com/ sent me an email about a bitch I was inquiring about and she and I had an agreement on. I requested a contract/written agreement on the bitch before I mailed a deposit...she would ignore my requests and just wanted me to send the money! The following is a part of an email she sent to me! UN-FREAKING BELIEVEABLE!
she had a heat cycle which I let my 100% DDR Male who was only 9 months old and wanted to play, play, play and Ela stood like a rock of gibralter to get bred, she danced around him to try and get him to do it, well there was 1 tie and she did get pregnant but I wasn't here to help whelp and to use the oxytocin so I ended up with 5 puppies stillborn.
She went on to tell me on the phone that the bitch went into labor and the bitch had to have her puppies in the car because she had to attend her son's baseball game! WOW!!!!
This same lady has also sold dogs to another database member and the dogs were in really poor condition, dog's name was Gustav. Anyone else remember that scrawney dog with the enormous head?
And she professes to be a Christian....seems people who feel the need to bring that to your attention are hiding something behind their faith!
Vickie
www.PowerHausKennels.com
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I know what bitch you are talking about and I would of loved to inquire about her until I saw which kennel had her. Another fine example of MI is producing in breeders. |
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M_GSD
Pardon me, but you guys do seem to have some real "winners" up there. What is it? Something in the water? |
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There's too many $hit breeders out there. Your case is just another example. Does this person advertise on this site? I checked her site out and came across this on her site http://www.germanshepherdsecurity.com/ABOUTME.html "I understand why GOD spelled backwards is DOG". |
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Water is about the only thing that Michigan has in abundance right now so, yeah probably in the water. |
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We would definitely not mind some water in my part of the country where we have a drought! |
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Send me some decent breeders...I'll send water. |
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I used to trust people who professed to be Christians when doing business, now it only makes me wonder what they are hiding! And when they say or write "God Bless You" or something to that effect I don't really care for it! For all I know their "God" might not be the same "God" I was raised to belive in! I don't want anyone who worships the devil or Budah or a pagan god to bestow or wish blessings on me in "their" god's name! Kind of werids me out!
Vickie
www.PowerHausKennels.com |
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I know what you mean, Vickie. There are too many professing Christians out there who are just using religion as a marketing tool. I don't like that type either. |
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MI GSD,
Thought that they had worked really hard to clean up those great lakes! They were beautiful when we went to Toranto in 07! Surely it isn't in the water! Maybe lack of animal control or regulatio and it is an easy buck to be made for those byb's!
Oh, and I loved this bitch when she first came forsale from the Gerdes Haus kennel in Texas, just didn't have the money then.
Vickie
www.PowerHausKennels.com
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I do too but I've heard a few stories about this place and didn't want to deal with her. The way she names her dogs gives me a headache and I noticed she changed her kennel name within the last few months.
I'm thinking God probably didn't want her to blow off a dog in labor for a baseball game.
Our lakes are gorgeous and I know a couple of people I'd like to throw off a long pier.
I need to go to bed. My thoughts are becoming fragmented. |
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Vickie, Judging by this womans website... I wouldnt even attempt to buy a dog from her. I think her website is very sloppy and very unprofessional.
This PeggySue claims to be a Licensed Social Worker in MI. If she practices her breeding program like this... It's safe to say that I think the real reason behind learning more about the mental health field is to figure out whats truly wrong with her instead of helping people with problems.
Can you believe that shes a substance abuse counselor? |
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I have seen that website before, altho I don't remember why.
I believe my first impression was ( Crack Pot ) !
How can anyone throw that much religeous crap in your face and expect to be taken seriously?
Your God, her God, anyone's God had nothing to do with this one.
I would hope most people would hit the back space button as soon as the page loaded and know to pass this one by. I did.
Anyway thats my two cent's.
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The bitch I was interested in and had attempted to purchase was a SchH1, KKL2 bitch, it was not any of her crap! Originally out of a REPUTABLE kennel in Texas. I do not like Czech dogs and that is the "fad" she is into! I just can't believe she thought it was ok to breed a 9 month old male!
Vickie
www.PowerHausKennels.com
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Woweeee!
A perfect bureaucrat, totally incompetent and delusional.
I was a foster parent and I can tell you that there are some pretty scary social workers out there.
Michele and Pharaoh |
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wow vickie, that one's a fruitcake. just glad my rubbing of the laughing buddahs belly while chanting your name and spinning in a counter-clockwise direction saved you from further interaction with that mess. you can thank me later. |
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I know what dog you are talking about.
Ela only produces 1-3 pups a litter. that is why, in my opinion, she has been bounced around from breeder to breeder. this person has only had 1 litter from her then placed her forsale. pups name is Drago and I believe they stil have him. constantly had ads on puppyfind.com for him, but amazingly never was able to sell him.
Poor Girl
Jennifer |
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Wow ,
About a month ago i wrote a thread about my female very small and very timid.And having problems with the breeder.Tried to get a hold of them and no response numoruos phone calls and emails nothing.Threaten to write the thread BAM she calls says she really wants her back set up date for flight .Well again can't get ahold of her.So i write the thread I'll be damned if she didn't call me says her comp. down and back problems money problems.Still didn't explain why she didnt return phone call.She tells me she has dog all sold just need to gather up money well month later still nothing.And was going to replace pup with a litter due anytime< 100% DDR>.Well litter born pups dying and she tells me had to have cyserine<excuse the spelling>.Then going to return my money.I did keep emails and if i wasn't so computer iliterate i would post it here .She goes on in her emai that nothing wrong with breeding dogs that are timid and small.She says timidness from lack of socailization which is bullshit because I tried socailizing pup from day one took her everywhere introduced her to everything and still the same.And in the email she tells me now the breeding wasn;t her selling pups for someone else <naya x iltis breeding>I did notice most dogs carry last name cimmeron well she didnt say anything to me about useing cimmeron on my pup.Believe me if I knew how to post the email here i would.And yes I am sick of the god bless you and your family bullshit.And tired of her relationship with the local police and how many dogs they have purchased from her.Well here is the stupid question of the day.Does anyone know what breeder I'm talking about?
Steve
I'm gonna guess i want be hearing back from her.
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Hi guys I would never deal with that person just after this statment:
"If only" all of God's Children could experience the loyalty & protection of a german shepherd.
Please pray for the missing and abducted children that might still be here, "if only" a german shepherd were part of their family. God Bless You All.....
Oki, this freeks me out when people try to sell their dog by using ther religion. WoW.
But you right she has some good looking dogs :) |
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Yes, this woman has been a frequent topic in the past. Again, looking at her website, would be one clue why I would NEVER consider buying a dog from her or doing business with her. NEVER, regardless as to the dog, be it the last GSD on earth.
Again I say, what in the heck is the matter with some of you? The people who don't know better, who are not really in the mainstream, I can understand how they would make stupid mistakes. But geez people, some of you should know better. But you see a situation by which you think you can advance and get a good dog and you forget your common sense.
DON'T do business with nut cases like this and you won't get into all the crap you get into. This woman has come on here before and yes, one wonders what drugs she is on, or needs to be on. Whether she really is licensed or not, she is a nut. My twelve year old friends can see that by looking at the web site. Don't do business with people who your 6th sense tells you are not legitimate, don't know what they are talking about or appear to be crack pots.
! It is THAT EASY!!
Sermon 108 finished. Sorry, but you guys make me nuts!
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I pity her dogs. What a very sad life they must have. Almost as sad as the way the Amish puppymillers around here treat their dogs. Christians indeed. Gimme a break............... |
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Vickie said: "...And she professes to be a Christian....seems people who feel the need to bring that to your attention are hiding something behind their faith!..."
I have noticed that for a long time. Often the more verbal they are the less true faith they have. I will not buy from anybody that proclaims their faith on anything for sale, be it on eBay, buying dogs, whatever. |
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Oh, and she also said that she had 15 dogs! 15 and she wanted to get her numbers down to 10! YIKES!!!!
Vickie
www.PowerHausKennels.com
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I asked PeggySue to marry me a few years back. When we talked about changing her last name, she said that she wouldn't take mine, but wanted something like Kennedy, Eisenhower, Roosevelt, etc. I tried to explain that the wife usually takes the husbands name, but she refused. She said she could take any damn name she wanted. That was kinda a deal breaker and we went our seperate ways. |
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Don where the hell have you been? |
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PeggySue Corleone. Heck, I like it! |
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roflmao |
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What's up guys?
Been busy and went on vacation for a few weeks. |
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Don C.,
Trust me, and I know you don't like me, but trust me, be glad you went your separate ways with this woman! LOL |
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True Ethics Exposed!! This is amazing people, a buyer in California emailed me to reveal all of the interesting dialogue going on the database about me and my dogs. Well, I'll start with Vickie, on July 14th, you said you'd have a deposit in a few days. After I contacted you by phone, to no avail, on the 23rd and still no deposit, and after asking you how much of a deposit, with no response, I sold Ela to someone else. I told you to send any amount just to secure the deal. You didn't and that's just the way business goes. When I want a dog, I take action, and if I'm unable and I lose the dog, well then, I lose. As I told you, Ela came to me with no vaccinations, no heartworm check, no negative brucillosis, no hip/elbow x-rays, I had to start from scratch with her, which I do with any new dog, first visit is to the vet. I repeat, Gustav was not a rack of bones when he left my home. I am accused of keeping my dogs "too plump" by police and schutzhund fanciers. I have been blessed with the quality stock I have received from Cimmerian German Shepherds and to answer Zigzag, that was a Cimmerian German Shepherd pup which I helped sell the whole litter because of the breeders health and the pups were all 4 months old out of Naya/Iltis and totally unsocialized. So much for doing a good deed and Zigzag only payed $500.00 for that pup, seems fair to me Steve. I don't understand all of the mud slinging from you Vickie, all was well until you found out that Ela was sold, very sad. God Bless You all in spite of the gnashing teeth. |
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I wouldn't of sent you a deposit without something in writing first and I don't think anyone else here would either. Why would you expect a deposit without a contract of some sort? |
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Peggy, Ela came to you with neg brucellosis, her A stamp, and her next vaccinations were coming up soon. I could also feel almost every rib on Gustav when I had him out that next morning, and was even asked by someone in public if he was a rescue. And I'm curious which litter you're refering to, because you said Naya/Iltis.........Gustav was out of Iltis von der Wildsau and G Garri Vikar was he not? |
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"And I'm curious which litter you're refering to, because you said Naya/Iltis.........Gustav was out of Iltis von der Wildsau and G Garri Vikar was he not?"
Sounds like someone should be doing some DNA on their dog (s)
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This is sooo why I'd never send my dog to anyone but the breeder for training or any other reason. I agree my 13 year old could design a web nicer than that. Ther are more pics of her dogs relatives than her actual dogs themselves. Trying to live through God and dead dogs. Nice, real nice! (heavy sarcasim in my voice) |
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yes peggysue did sell me the pup for 500. but i had one in mind <different litter>and told her needed a couple of days to decide she said fine but was sold on the second day so she said she felt bad about selling her so she said she a a nice large pup and give me a deal of 500. well at that time she was selling pups for 1200 including airfare well i had to drop another 350. for flight so that adds up to 850.She never told me it was someones else litter til I got papers on her and notice breeder different name.And she never mentioned the pups weren't socailized.I can't believe she is saying I got a good deal.Just what i wanted a German Shepherd that is very timid someone comes in house and she is off in a corner or another room.And i told her wanted one to do a little working .And yes Hodie it was a stupid mistake but i have to say a smooth talker she is. |
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Wow ,
Now I'm fuming. She never mentioned in her thread why she never got back to me when she said she needed to sell a dog to get up money for the flight back to her.And by her site she has sold about 3 dogs since.Oh and Hodie only take me once.She did mention i can pay for the flight of the dog back her and make arrangements to componsate on the next pup she sends me. |
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zigzag, I hope you already learned a lesson and do NO MORE business with this person. If you do, then you deserve the trouble you get. Take the dog you have, go get some help with it and train and socialize it and make the best out of this situation. |
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Well, I work on the internet ALL day, 8 hours a day dispatching for the trucking company I work for, plus since my husband and boys are quite the TV hogs I am on the net most of every evening! How hard would it have been for Peggysue to email me?!?! I am always on the internet and she could have EASILY contacted me by email and my phone has not had ONE phone call from Peggysue and she even has my HUSBANDS cell number too! I tried to call her for DAYS and DAYS to get an address from her and convince her to send/fax me a contract so that we would have a SIGNED AGREEMENT obviously something is a little shifty about this deal as she pretty much ignored my requests for a signed contract! We did have a payment agreement worked out and I lined out what I could do immediately. I gave her an EXACT amount of deposit and if you would like to see the emails PM me privately and I will be glad to share and expose that Peggysue is not being truthful! I was waiting to receive monies via mail to forward to Peggysue and she knew this and said that it would be fine and that Ela was mine! Peggysue, my momma always said, "the devil will get you for lieing." LOL!
I will leave it up to you all to decide what kind of person this is!
Vickie
www.PowerHausKennels.com
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I know the USA is huge and there will be a big element of wrong doers in conjuntion to the size of the country
but it seems to me reading these threads is that the ratio of one from every two people owning G.S dogs are breeders
And why do most breed Dogs ,soly for money, most are not improving the breed over there but slowly destroying it, with there quest to make dollars
harsh as it may sound most honest folk over there will agree,
i find it very sad every time i read thse letters. but the ones who breed will not agree that little piece of coloured paper in wads they get, tells there brain to say otherwise,
Are there people who just aquire a Dog and just train and enjoy the company that they give us, without having to breed from it, because they sound to be vert rare over there
Steve |
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I am happy to have breeders making money by breeding good quality well cared for German Shepherds. I expect them to add value to those pups-titled parents, breed survey, as many health clearances as possible.
All of that takes time and money. I am willing to pay my share!
I don't want my breeder skimping on anything the dogs need. I don't want cheap dogs going to people who really can't afford to care for them and feed them GOOD QUALITY FOOD!!!!!!
I want my breeder to be well compensated and to do a very good job and I will pay my share of the expense + profit.
I also do my due diligence to make sure that the dogs get their share of the money and a good life too.
Michele and Pharaoh
PS. I don't do accounting for free and I ain't cheep neither.
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Powerhaus: THANK GOD
that all this came to light for you and you have your deposit in your pocket still.You did no one any good by getting involved with this woman. Gerdeshaus will have another you will like and work out a payment plan with her or MelloDee at Germelhaus. Leave this BAG LADY to the Michigan reservoir dump site. |
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Sorry for bringing this thread up again people but I just didn't want it to bury in other threads.Don't want anyone else be taken by this so called breeder.And by the way I never heard back from her.I did find a great home for my female about 3 weeks ago.Single women home all the time dog adjusting well with her but still very timid when people come over.This was an expensive mistake dealing with peggysue.Cost of pup and flight and hips and elbows xrayed.As you can tell still bitter.But the dog has a home where she is not so stress with people coming and going like at my place
Steve |
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I know this woman....
She has been trying to weezle me out of a Puck vom Grafental/ F Genga von Haus Cimmerian Pup. I sent her packin'. I wouldnt sell her a bag of S***, let alone one of my puppies! |
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I just had to comment on this Peggy Sue, a good friend of mine bought a dog off her with a written guarintee to buy this dog back no questions asked if she didnt work out.
This dog was sold to my friend for 12 hundred dollars and was supposed to be a nice sized female house broke great with kids etc. She came extremely undersized, completly untrained.All lies.
My friend had the dog a week and this tiny 38 lb bi color GSD was so hyper and uncontrollable. Peggy sue refused to take the dog back,OMG this dog wound up killing a treasured house pet of the buyer's.Everything that Peggy Sue says to sell a dog is a lie.
I have witnessed this first hand. Very sad.
Keycat |
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This so-called breeder has been discussed here multiple times, all with poor reviews. Yet, when people think they can take advantage for themselves, off they go to such a breeder, knowing full well what has been written here so many times. When someone is unethical, they don't suddenly become ethical just for you....regardless of what kind of dog or deal you think you are getting.
I don't know how many times this has been said, but it seems to escape some of you. Don't do business, ANY business with people like this and you will be better off. This is simple! |
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How many Dog owners in the USA are not Breeders or have never bred there Dogs ,
looking at this forum over the last 12 months it looks like a huge number of Dog owners breed there Dogs,
No wonder Dogs have problems with bad hips and Joints,
As far as i can see most do it for financial gain, not to better the German Shepherd Breed
I expect i will get a keep out of it by a few but the truth always hurts some who are culprits of such practice
Steve |
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