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Am I the only one seeing improvement? (33 replies)

Am I the only one seeing improvement?
by aristianM on 19 July 2008 - 15:07


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Over here she is 12 months.

over here she is 15months old. I think she has improved. She does get proffesional ring training now. Your honest opinions will be appreciated!


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by yellowrose of Texas on 19 July 2008 - 15:07


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That is not the same dog in both pictures.


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by AgarPhranicniStraze1 on 19 July 2008 - 16:07


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YR-  I was thinking the same thing. lol  The dog above in the first picture does not have that rich red looking color, is significantly more masculine looking than the one on the bottom, and the head is much bigger in the above photo.  Almost looks like the one above is a male and the one on the bottom would be female???  Just my observation.


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by RacingQH on 19 July 2008 - 16:07
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The dog in the bottom picture also has more black than the first one. (Especially noticable on the shoulder.)


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by MI_GSD on 19 July 2008 - 16:07


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They sure stand the same though.  And both are east/west and a little cow-hocked.  LOL I'm getting a headache staring at them now.  It's like those "can you spot the difference?" pictures.


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by Mystere on 19 July 2008 - 16:07
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Thank God--I thought I would be the only one to think they were different dogs!! The bottom one looks younger and less developed, too...especially to be 3 months older. :-) So, what is the point?

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by GSDfan on 19 July 2008 - 17:07


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The first picture is in the sun the second is in the shade.  This can have a dramatic affect on the way the color looks on the same dog.


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by Travel time on 19 July 2008 - 17:07
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I agree GSDfan.  Shade and sun look different.  Hard to compare the head size when they are turned at different angles too, but I do think the dog has lost weight in the second pic.  JMO


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by Kelly M Shaw on 19 July 2008 - 17:07


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I have to agree with everyone else that both picture's do not look like the same dog, but if by chance it is the same dog then yes she has dramatically improved for the better.


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by yellowrose of Texas on 19 July 2008 - 17:07


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Look at the tail crook on the second pic   first dogs tail is straighter.

Second dogs muzzle appears to be entirely different   slender and more pointed

Where did the skunk strip go?

Note:  the length from dogs elbow to the top of the pad notch is longer on the bottom pic.

Head size seems much larger on top dog..sun or no sun  color of red on dog number two is most definately greater.  I dont think it is the same dog...


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by aristianM on 19 July 2008 - 17:07


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You wont believe me but, that is the same dog. She was in better condition when she was younger. She just got over kennel cough right now and because of that she has lost A LOT of weight. So do u think her structure has improved?


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by wolfen68 on 19 July 2008 - 18:07
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I think to know for sure that that is the same dog, why don't the OP take a picture of the 2nd dog at the same place as the first.It's only been a few months I am sure that if she/he took the picture of the first dog they can take the same on the second.I do not believe for a second, that that is the same dog...no way.. PS: Yellow Rose, your dogs are beautiful! Look at the body, the tail, the shoulders, give me a break, no way..I'll apologize when it's prooven that that is the same dog but until then , no way...

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by aristianM on 19 July 2008 - 18:07


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Guys I dont want to sound immature but i promise you that she is the same dog. She has lost a lot of weight and has become taller. Her withers have improved and so has her top line. I took the 1st picture in a lot of sunlight with the flash on. The other picture was taken in the evening with the flash off. Otherwise i am the proud owner of this dog and she is the same dog.  LMAO! Oh and sometimes she curves her tail a bit. Its not like that permantly.


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by sueincc on 19 July 2008 - 19:07


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Is this your dog Roxxy?  http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/517368.html

 


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by aristianM on 19 July 2008 - 19:07


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You got it!


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by yellowrose of Texas on 19 July 2008 - 20:07


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The dog on the pedigree site is great looking and looks like the second picture all the way


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by wolfen68 on 19 July 2008 - 20:07
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OK so let's say it is your dog in all 3 pictures ,your dog in the second picture looks worse then in the first and pedigree database photo, so what improvement are you looking for? If you dog was sick before the second photo ,I do not understand what you want us to see?  I am glad he is doing better (if he is) he looks like a nice dog.But I don't get the improvement you are looking for..


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by tigermouse on 19 July 2008 - 23:07


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LMFAO i will say no more

 


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by DesertRangers on 19 July 2008 - 23:07


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What is the actual color of your dog or which picture is closest to being actual color?


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by aristianM on 20 July 2008 - 05:07


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The colour in the second picture is her real colour...no but a lot of people who have seen her said that her structure has  improved. I just wanted your opinions to. I wasnt talking about her physical condition. I was asking you  people if her she improved structurally. I am not an expert like some of you on this site. I was asking for a critique.


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by Renofan2 on 20 July 2008 - 12:07


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As for color - I have to agree that depending on the light - a black and red can look alot different if taken in different light.  Molly has a very vibrant red, but some pictures show up light a light tan.  Might look like a different dog because the colors are so drastic, however in the 2 pictures above - they certianly look like different dogs, but I am by no means an expert.

Cheryl


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by aristianM on 20 July 2008 - 15:07


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Thats the case with my dog to....sun exposure can cause a lot of diiference. I also need a honest expert critique of my dog taking both pictures into consideration. If someone can critique her, i will be very grateful. Oh and i am not one of those cruel owners that sell their dog just because they dont turn out to be show dogs. I just take keen interest in Roxxy and i wanted to know whether or not she has improved.

Thankyou.


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by DesertRangers on 20 July 2008 - 15:07


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Need to take a pic with the exact angle and pose as the first pic and it will be easier to comment.


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by aristianM on 20 July 2008 - 16:07


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right but isnt that close?? Can u critique her by looking at her second picture. I have learned a bit form this site. All i know is that her rumpy stage has passed. She doesnt have a roach anymore. Well thats about it.


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by DesertRangers on 20 July 2008 - 17:07


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The first pic appears to show gray/silver right in the middle of the black on her side but on the second pic it appears to not be there?  Most common for the gray/silver area to be bigger not smaller as the dog ages.

In the first pic the coats appears to be thicker/longer (possibly) than the second pic based on in the first pic the collar does not show while in the second pic the collar stands out alot.

The reason I wanted to see an exact pose is that in the first pic the neck seems to be alot thicker than ion the second pic where she is actually older.

 

 


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by aristianM on 20 July 2008 - 18:07


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She lost A LOT of weight due to kennel cough. She was in very good health when she was 12 months old. She lost ten pounds and a lot of muscle mass at the age of 15 months. I also want some experts to critique her.

Thankyou.


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by GSDfan on 20 July 2008 - 18:07


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I am not understanding why everyone is accusing her of lying.  Sure the dog looks different, but the angle the pic was taken isn't the same, it's not taken in the same light or in the same position. 

She says the dog lost weight from being sick and as for the coat...it's likely she's blown her coat from the first pic which can make a big difference.

Geez it's not like she posted a second picture of a VA bitch there and saying "look at my bitch now!"

My point is why would she lie?


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by aristianM on 20 July 2008 - 18:07


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Thankyou GSDfan! Like you said i have not posted a picture of a VA bitch. I do not want to get a rise out of people by posting two pictures of separate bitches. All i want is a honest critique. I want to know whether she has improved. Will she do better in the ring at 15months? I know she was going through a rumpy stage at 12 months.


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by Sue-Ann on 20 July 2008 - 19:07


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The shoulder lay is wrong.  She's better stacked in the 2nd photo, but honestly she doesn't seem well balanced in either photo.  Perhaps better stacking would change things a bit?  In any case one cannot change the structure of the dog's front.  I do believe it's the same dog based on the angles of the front and rear. 

I've seen the sun wash out vivd red dogs to make them look very different.  Take your photos in evening sun with the sun behind you for the most accurate color in photos.


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by DesertRangers on 20 July 2008 - 22:07


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I don't think anyone is lying but apparently due to all the circumstances the dog looks so much different and some of us are just commenting on that. I just would like to see two exact poses so we can give a fair opinion.  You have to admit the differences caused many of us to question what we were looking at. No insult meant at all.

 


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by Sam1427 on 20 July 2008 - 22:07
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I think it's the same dog, because the angles of the front and rear seem the same. I have a "schwarz und braun" dog who looks brilliant red and black in early morning or especially evening sunlight so I know color can bleach in strong sunlight. 

Your dog looks as though she will move restricted in the forequarter when gaiting. I saw this same type of shoulder lay just yesterday in a show and the dog went best of breed anyway, outscoring a smaller bitch with a better gait, so you never know. If you and your ring trainer (who is presumably a handler and shows dogs) think your dog is good enough to show, go ahead and more power to you.


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by aristianM on 21 July 2008 - 09:07


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The ring trainer is a handler to. I dont want to showoff but he is the best ring trainer/handler in town. He's very expensive to. Actually 2 days posting this post i met a local judge at the vet's place. He had judged her before and he said," Oh she has improved considerably since she was last shown, her back is better and her withers have improved so had her rear angulation." Some of the people on this site are more knowledgable than this local judge. By 'improvement' i meant conformation changes. So if u can critique her looking at her second picture. I will try to get another photo once it stops raining. Like Sam1472 said, the second picture was taken in the evening.


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by Sam1427 on 21 July 2008 - 21:07
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Dogs do sometimes improve with age. A lot of puppies are "east-west" and cow-hocked when they are small but grow out of it. I'm not saying your dog is that, I'm just saying that GSDs often don't show their genetic structure until they mature. Structure is not only bone, but also ligaments and muscles and the interaction of these physical components. Sometimes maturity brings out the best.

I'm glad you picked the best conformation ring trainer in town. IMO, the best would be someone who is able to help you gait your dog properly, advises you on stacking and holding the leash, tells you honestly what your dog's faults are and how to minimize them while maximizing her good points and generally gives handling tips that the untrained don't know. BTW, the best trainer isn't always the most expensive. The best is someone who helps you and your dog be your best. That may sound like a platitude but it is true.

 


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by aristianM on 22 July 2008 - 11:07


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Yes the ring trainer knows my dog's weak points. He knows she has a steep croup and because of that her gait will get affected. He is working on her gait and has made it better.










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