German Shepherd dog

 I am creating a new website that is bascially MySpace for dogs.  So you can create a page if you own a dog, are a trianer, training group, schutzhund club, breeder, etc.....  Ive started to notice alot of people on MySpace and facebook w/ pages dedicated to their dog,club,training service etc.... 

My goal is to create  community where you can find a local schutzhnd club, breeder, or make a new friend in another country.  Im in the very beginning of creating the site and am haveing problems thinking of all the categories i need to include.  So id like several people to make a page and let me know what needs to be added. 

If you interested in making a page and helping me out send me a PM. 

thanks

Hodie, I have to wonder why you didnt say "the site sounds like it would be an asset but im concerned about abc..." instead you start off w/ stuff i have nothiing to do w/. 

I can tell from this post and othe post you've put up you have a lot of passion for dogs and what you do, but like a lot of dogs w/ too much drive and poor nerve you only accomplish a lot of barking and acting out. instead of thinking thru the situation and trying to calmly solve the problem

what you dont know is that my site will be self policed, meaning the members will have the ability to complain about other members or breeders ...with in reason.  so if a trainer has been doing a good job then he will get good reviews and comments.  if the trianer is doing a shitty job then they will get a poor comments.  Which will leave the trainer w/ afew options. 1 leave the site, 2. make amends 3. have more good comments than bad.   I can only wonder why you didnt ask, if had a way of addressing issues like that.  i dont have time to fully detial the plan but rest assured that there is one. (you will only be able to complain about members, it wont be a place to bash those outside the community)

there is an old saying.  a rumor that doesnt die isnt a rumor.  so as much as ray and i have trianed together, as much as we've gone out drinking together id have to stand back and let the will of the people be done. 

I can understand your frustration about what happened, and certainly understand the emotion and frustration that gets put into some of these threads (ive done it myself) but i just dont understand why you have so much hate in your heart.  But even w/ all the frustration, passion, hate etc.. you have, i will welcome you on my site w/ open arms, as its my goal to make a community where people can share idea's stories, and memories regardless of what you have or havent done.

and all are welcome and those that dont do right by others, will feel the wrath of the people.

Ray and i are still friends, im not training right now becaue i dont have a dog and have 2 yr old daughter.  The goal of the site is not to be a message board but to allow people to create page to tell about their personal dog, schutzhund club, training group, kennel, rescue organization etc..

its really not about advertising its about as much as its about bringing all the dog community together regardless of if you do show dogs, agility, personal protection of rescue

So if ray decided to make a page to tell everyone about his training group he can. and if someone decided to make a page for thier dog they and complain (in a matter of fact way) they will be able to.  my vision is to have a site where you can find anything pertaining to dogs be it an agility or schutzhund club, breeder or OB trainer.  There will be forums on the site but the point is to create an online communiy or networking site.

thanks,  i love how the internet brings the best out in everyone.  if you dont mind, can you tell me why you feel the need to insult people publically?

your comments seem very bullyish,like your the type of person that enjoys making fun of other people unprovoked.  Thats not very nice

Two Moons, many people have mysapce pages for their dogs and add friends who do the same. Its a great way to meet new dog people and share pics and stories.

I think one of the key elements of advertising on MySpace, is that it is free. Perhaps this is a draw for some. Personally, If I had to seek out a quality dog from quality breeders, I would probably opt to go elsewhere. Nothing personal, since I don't know any of you, that's just an objective viewpoint. Even though this site advertises at no cost, we all know it is reputable, for the most part.  Cheers, Von Leistung

The reason you stopped coming to this board Walter was that you were caught up as well in the behavior of Ray Jeffers. And people caught on very quickly where you stood. In fact, as you well know, you emailed me privately to ask what the problem was with the dead dog, the emaciated dogs, the dog who was supposedly "lost:", when in fact, you failed to disclose you were not only a friend of Ray Jeffers, a training partner, but are listed on his website as of last night as a partner. Get real Walter. I bet you knew everything and more than any of us told you. Who knows, you might have been present at the training session where the dog got heat stroke.

Frankly, I could care less whether you start a web site or not. But hear this. There are plenty of us who know what went on with this whole deal with Ray abusing and neglecting the dogs entrusted to him. To my knowledge, he has never made restitutionto any of his victims, nor paid the judgement the courts rendered. He lied then about what happened and tried hard to intimidate people who spoke out. I bet he continues to lie.

Anytime he comes to our attention as someone wanting to train other peoples dogs, or anytime he tries to engage in any formal dog/Schutzhund activities where complaints can be filed to bring all others the knowledge of his neglectful care, there are plenty of people who will do everything in their power to put the record out for all to see. He should be banned from dog ownership and dog sport. Did he even ever get a real license? I heard he put up a solid fence at his grandparents house where the dogs were suffering so no one could see. Is that right? I am sure you know. Do the grandparents still refuse to care for the dogs? Does Ray still sell his dog to pay for school and not feed dogs?

I will be happy to post the photos of one of the dogs in question who was emaciated when the owner took the dog from him. You probably knew exactly what was going on before and did nothing. Further, you came to this board and also put some BS on the board about how you knew him and could not believe the charges etc. BS. You not only knew I bet, but probably had intimate knowledge of how he failed to properly care for dogs. Anyone who does as he has done does not deserve the honor of dealing with this breed. You tarnish your own reputation by your association with someone who fails to give dogs basic care, allows a dog to bake and die from heat stroke and who does not even have the decency to tell the truth about what happened. You are a fraud as well Walter.

My reputation is tarnished? is that in your eyes of those that are well accomplished in the sport and dog world?  Tarnished in the eyes of those who dont know me for my association w. ray but not in the eyes that know me.  thost that know me know i am friend w/ ray they also know i had nothing to do w. any of his business deals.

So i really dont think my image is tarnished in the eyes that matter, not in the eyes of people i see trial after trial, yr after yr.  but the strange thing is ive never met you.  not once. not at a  national not at a regional no where.  ive never seen you walk up to the table draw your number and put money in the sleeve or boot(my guess is you dont know what im referrig too).  i only know you from you long emotiional and sometimes helpful posts. 

so when you start looking thru eyes that matter, eyes that have seen the end of a 33' foot trackinng line then you can tell me my image is tarnished.  when your eyes have stood at the center line at 6am looking at the goal post,  watiing for th judge to say go, you'll hav the right to say who's image is tarnished.  the day when some of the top trainers and judges in the US know you by name greet you w/ asmile and say  hi HODIE hows your dog doing..."  when yu can give list to 10-15 world team members that will personally vouch for you character  then and only then can you say my image is tarnished. 

until that day what you think of my image really doesnt matter, now does it, it really doesnt matter that HODIE gets all emotional when typing and goes off on people as if everyone is a child.  it just doesnt matter!!!

i just took a look at your website and you have 16 dogs listed only 2 titled...2 are you kidding me thats .13%.  you title less than 1% of your dogs.  you either have too many dogs or cant trian worth a damn.  you remind me a woman who used to live in my neighborhood, except she had like 15 cats....

laslty you spent 4 paragraphs talking about what ray did, why dont you spend that much time taking abou what i did.  tell everyone about the dogs ive killed and the horrible crimes im guilty of.   if the basis of your ranting and raving is my guilt by association then you most likely have some personal anger issues to work thru

babyeagle- thanks, instaed of saying that is a stupid idea and its already being done. you simply stated a fact.

it will be open to all dogs all trianing.  so schtuzhund agility, akc OB, if you do dog art, if you to create a page for specific cause.

anything that has to do w/ dogs.  if your a vet and want to make folks aware of a certain problem. anything.

It's amazing how a person is being judge simply because he is associated with someone that did some bad things. I don't see anything wrong with his post. Why you keep on talking shit about him? Just because he knows someone that did some stupid things? I have friends that never graduated high school dose it mean that I am exactly the same? I guess I bought my BS in accounting because since my friends did graduate High School there is no way I did, let not even speak about college. I have some friends that are in prison for beating someone into a coma but I hate fighting and try to avoid it at all cost. But I guess since my friends are that why it makes me so as well? Why should I give up on my friend just because he did something stupid? If I would it wouldn't make me any better. Just something to think about it. Plus I like the idea about the website, I would gladly join it. Thanks.

I still support my friend even though he did some stupid things. I guess I am no better. I guess that makes me not a good GSD owner too even though you never meat me or know anything about me. And thanks to people like you I preffer dogs over humans.

Walter,

I have to agree with Hodie. If you are in business with this guy and you can not answer what Hodie is talking about you will be lumped in with him. You keep on avoiding what Hodie is talking about. From a legal standpoint if you were partners with him at the time this happened you are just as responsible. I do not know that you were then, but, anything that you or Ray do from here forward you both are charged with 100% responsibility. It is not divided 50/50. Maybe you can show yourself to be an honest man by clearing this up and proceeding with what I feel could be a good idea. You need to step up, or, be weeded out.

Snajper,

If you have a degree you must have bought it. Your post is one of the worst pieces of trash that I have ever seen written. If you were drunk while writing this then all is forgiven. If not, go back to grammar school to learn how to write and think in complete sentences. Most importantly you sound like you love your dog, so, the heck with the writing. Have a great day!

 Walter,

I will answer your question about my beef with you though you still skirt the questions I asked you. Frankly, you lied to me. You acted as if you hardly knew the guy, wanted to know what all the beef was about, and played stupid. Your motive then was to "straighten him up". You even called me on the telephone personally as you will recall. And you left a message. All you wanted was information and frankly, I would not be surprised if you shared everything that was said to you with Ray.

To be crystal clear, no, I have no one in my family that does anything like this, drives drunk, beats wife or children or abuses animals or steals from people. Maybe your family does have those kinds of lack of ethics, and it does seem that ethics means nothing to you and you are happy to associate with and call someone your friend who left a dog in a crate to die. I will post the photos under trainer again. So that way, people can see what I am talking about when I say two dogs were taken from Ray in emaciated condition. And there is, as you know, much more to the story with others having come forward to tell of their dealings with Ray. So sure, go ahead and have whatever relationship you wish for with him. I am not sure what you mean by "after I started proving myself to be an honest person", but by the way it sounds, perhaps you and Ray do belong together. Anytime we can warn people away however, we will do so.

But yes, I will let it go now, because no, you are not the real issue here. As I said, Ray will self-destruct, in part because people like you do not call him to task for his behavior and, in fact may have been part of it or approved. There is and can be no excuse for what he did to peoples' dogs. Maybe you will want to look at the photo again.

Best of luck with the new site Walter. Post a link when you get it up and running.

I wouldn't lose a lot of sleep over these responses.

Keith Jenkins

I don't even own swamp collies but I do know both parties as we belong to the same USA club. I guess since I'm a member of the same club you can vilify me also. If Ray stepped on his Johnson that's on Ray not Walter or myself.  This thread had nothing to do with Ray until you decided to make it so.

For the record I do not now nor ever worked with Ray at this kennel. Actually I don't think I've really had a chance to talk to Ray about this since it first came to light. Until I do I'm not going to pass judgment on someone I've known for a few years now. He's never been anything but courteous and friendly to me in that time.

Keith Jenkins