German Shepherd dog

erg heel erg voor mens en dier.

Die zijn gestoord!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Blitzen, that is not German.  Anyway, that video is very disturbing.  We can't put all the soldiers in the same category though. 

These guys are some sick people and they must be very frustrated. 

i dotn care what sense of mind their in as long as their punished or kept control of.

thats soldier should of had someone to tell him to not be such a selfish idiot and to stop him chucking that frightened puppy of the cliff, there is no excuse for that cruel treatment of an animal.

i hope she thrown into a gully himself and left to die.

every living thing should have same or similar treatment, you wouldn't throw a starnger into a ditch unless you were mentally challenged now you? so why a totally vulnerable little puppy?

yeah he had excuses but im not gonna fall for it. Total idiot. i might have fallen for it if 100's of videos of soliers hurling yelping puppies of a cliff were everywhere, but their not, so it must have been just him that had developed a strange sense of humour. there is no excuse to save his butt. hate him and i dont veen know him.

Glad i got that off my chest, i was so hurt by wathcing that video. it disgust me what man kind can do these days.

 I appreciate your posting Smartguy. Sounds sensible to me & youre right. This was not a condemnation of the US Marines

There were however, many here & among the US Military that said the video was a Fake, was the work of 'liberals' & 'Leftists' which is what anyone who disagrees with Bush or the Neo CONs is called, these days

Which we know now,  about prematurely calling this video Fake, was Horse dung.  It was Real. It was recorded these actions & many others which are even worse,  are despicable.

Yep, Suicides among Iraqui Vets are on the Rise.  Over 6,000 just last year alone.

 I hope the Occupation ends soon and you guys can come home. We cant afford it anymore in live, blood or dollars.

 The disturbing thing to me is the link between cruelty to animals...and monstrous cruelty to other human beings.   Every sociopathic serial killer that has been caught abused animals at some point, before moving on to people. 

These miscreants' behavior is NOT a reflection on all Marines, or on all US military personnel.  But, they should have reeived psych evals and been dishonorably discharged.   Wonder if we will hear from/about them again in a few years for more gristly conduct...

It was essential to get a gun out of his hands. 

Pia, thank you! I was going to post the same thing.  There is NO excuse for what this soldier did.  There is a lady on another board that I am on whose husband is currently in Iraq.   She gets photos regularly of the stray dog crew that he is feeding...NOT throwin off cliffs or causing harm to.  My other 1/2 also served over seas and I know would NEVER have done such a thing.  That soldier is a sick b@stard, period.  He's sorry my @ss...yea only now that the video has come forth and got him in trouble.

What sort of person kills a puppy? IMO one that should not be trusted to serve this country.  BLITZEN

I know the kind of person that woulddo this srt of thing. the kind that left home at a tender age of 18 hoping to protect people like you and somehow he saw things and felt things that have messed him up fo life. Now he made a mistake and he should be burned and torched because his mind wasnt ale to eal with the horror that it as been witness to... That is definetly not the attitude we should have. i love my dogs nd all dogs for that matter and i am very hurt to see this video bu just remember that kid (and that is what he is, just a kid) left home as most young marines with people who love him and support and a whole country hat he was proud to serve and at some point that all changed. Dont burn him because he made a mistake that was caused by the ugly side of war instead pray for him and hope that one day he can be that innocent kid he once was that had nothing but good in his heart for his friends,family, and country.

I am not defending these guys as a Marine. I am defending these guys as a human being who can see beyond the ugly reality that is war. Take a moment to do the same.

I agree with you 100% smartguy. I find it quite odd people only wake up to a Marine killing a puppy... and not to 1.5 million Iraqi's and children dead in an Unconstitutional war.  At the same time calling a Marine cruel .. when the training of a US Marine is to Kill every way possible even to save a bullet. As you see with the charges ... the United States Marines feel the same way we do. Now he'll have an office job minus VA benefits. Once a Marine always a Marine. People will never change that. The public opinion on this guy ruined his life ... not killing that puppy during war. It's a shame really, because this public opinion will carry on when he gets married and a child on the way. Sooo sad.

BabyEagle do not ever again assume that you know what is in my mind and that I do not care about all the deaths suffered in Bush's  mad war.  Stick to talking about  your own feelings and stop trying to second guess others.

BS, this guy is off his rocker and he'd have killed this puppy whether or not he was in the Iraq or the US and blamed it on his environment, his family life, his mother didn't nurse him long enough, the way his speedos fit.  The same crap we heard about Vick when he was finally busted for dog fighting - it's part of his culture, they were his dogs, he could do with them as he pleased, he didn't know there was anything wrong with dog fighting and hanging dogs until they died. The poor guy needed some outlet for his frustrations. . We should all just forgive him, let him back in the NFL. Let's not forget that poor misunderstood and stressed out Jeff Daumer. Shoot, killing those cats was just a prank, boys will be boys after all. The law forgave him his transgressions with animals and he moved on to bigger and better things. Above all else, hold no one accountable for their actions in the  US especially those in the military. What a crock and a slap in the face to those who serve their country without being sadistic.

Forgive this Marine if  you want, I won't. Frankly I am appalled to even learn that anyone who frequents a dog related  board would even try to justify this cruel and insane bahavior as being one of those things that some guys do when they're at war and stressed.

Blitzen

I agree that the person on that tape is sick but did you know that arin personaly before he went to Iraq? I doubt anyone on this blog did including myself. I dont know how you can think that he was this monser before going to war. I will never try to justify cruelty to animals but surely there is a difference between daddy didnt love me and my friend just died in my lap. The difference is that he probably was to young to realize what war was when he signed up, but he did it anyway knowing that war was ugly but th positive was better than the negative. I look at it as a person who turned into a monster because of a situation that was thrust uppon them sort of the same way that a young girl who is raped and gets an abortion because she cant stand to have a memory of the worst day of her life. I definetly do not condone abortion but i cant call that girl a monster because i havent lved through her shoes and although I believe it is wrong I will not burn her at the stake because i can never understand what she has been trough. The same goes for this situation. He is sick and needs help but you cant say he was a monster and h has been all along because you dont know him or his life. maybe he was a great person before he saw an improvised explosive device blow a leg off and. None of us will know.

Smartguy, frankly I don't care what he was before he went to Iraq or what, if anything, being there did to him. I only care that 1. he doesn't kill anymore puppies  or harm any humans 2. he is no longer a member of the US Marine Corp. 3. he's not my next door neighbor. I am sick to death of bad behavior being excused. Do the crime, do the time.

I'm done with this. Feel sorry for him if you want and excuse his sadistic bahavior if you feel that's the right thing to do. There is no draft in this country so he signed up for the Marines knowing full well he could end up in combat.  BTW I never said he was a monster, but I wouldn't argue with anyone who thinks he is.

Blitzen I didn't address you. Your vain. In War, a puppy vs 1.5 million humans to me is insane.

I cant make myself anymore clear. I am not defending anyone nor sayng that what they did is ok because they went to war i just think that everyone is lookin at what they did and not takng into account what could have triggered that behavior that is all. And forgive me for looking at these guys a little different than the night stalker. They were wrong and i have said that in every post so stop saying that i am  "excusing these assholes"(sunsilver) because i am not. The only thing that i have tried to say this whole time is that it is not fare to look a these guys as serial puppy killers. They did a horrible thing and they are paying for it and i hope they get some help. I have seen good men and women become shells of there former self and i wouldnt doubt that these to are in that same boat.

smartguy1469:  While I understand this young man has been under extreme stress, I very much doubt that stress is the reason for his inexcusable behavior.  There are some really evil people, and this one just happens to have hid as long as he could in the uniform of a marine.  I think as of late the armed services has been  desperate for bodies in uniform  and this is what happens when you lower the standards of those who serve in this type of environment. 

For those who think people are making too much of what this guy did,  you need to re-read Mysteres posts.  She is 100% right, cruelty to animals is a pretty good predictor of really scary future behaviour.

There are only two kinds of people that understand Marines: Marines and the enemy. Everyone else has a second-hand opinion.
Gen. William Thornson, U.S. Army

Every group of people has a few bad "eggs" in it.  However, I agree the Marines should get punished at least for not using their heads and video taping something stupid like this but kicking them out is much too strong a punishment. Peta kills thousands of dog a year and I don't hear you people speaking up very often?  Some of you breed litters excessively and contribute to the over population of dogs that leads to them being abused! Don't hear any of you speaking out against that very often? Some of you own many dogs and they live their lifes stuck in a small kennel or crate and seldom get out to play but I guess you are a "dog lover" so that is OK?

Many of you don't have the courage, character and ability to be a United States Marine and I don't appreciate your mouthing off; but that is all what most of you contribute to the World is mouthing off and cranking out puppies for profit. The USA keeps the world from Starving, is the reason most of the world is free today and will be free tomorow. We are the only country brave enough to challenge and defeat the terrorists that are mainly Muslim (remember 911). The coward Muslims are not man enough to fight us face to face so they hide behind the skirts of women, little children, retarded people and so on, and yes those so called innocents get killed but if they were real men they would not expose them to battle. Same as a drug dealer selling out of his house with wife and kids there. Question? Why don't you people get on the bandwagon against Iran? They deny the extermination of the Jews ever took place as do many others? Never hear any of you speaking up? PS...I have family members that were there  liberating the camps so I can assure you it took place!

This post is not in any way directed to current members or retired members of our Armed Forces. My son in currently serving and many of you are not worthy to shine his boots.

Your disgusted desertranger

I have nothing personal against Muslims but throuhout history you cannot deny that wheverever Muslims exist you had war and unrest. This continues today.. Do I need to document?

The radical Muslims are our enemies and have vowed to destroy us. That is a fact.

Peace thru Victory

Truth hurts doesn't it!    lol

The guilty dog barks first..

Go ahead and be in denial and stick your head in the sand but the truth remains.

You are the exact people I refer too that are liberal, don't have a clue of reality and refuse to admit that evil exists.

Wishful hoping will not get rid of the radicial Muslims but the US Marines and Armed forces can and will.  And yes innocents will be killed because the cowardly Muslim men are hiding behind them.

Glad we have a limited number of your type or we would be in trouble as a nation and world.

Let me ask a question!   Are you Muslim????   Welll?????

Desert Ranger...Did you ever think That maybe they fight us, because we Invaded & Now Occupy their land?

We have 700 bases in 130 nations?  We have assasinated leaders, destablized currencies. When a nation, such as Iran overthrows their leader, the Shah, who was Brutal but backed by the CIA, the USA freezes Billion of Iranian Assets in our banks.   Which directly caused the hostage crisis. But no one gives you that story.

We have helped killed over 1 million Iraqui people, who have families.  We've made 4.5 Million Refugees & 5 Million Orphans. These are official Government stats, I can back up ever one.  Iraq Never attacked or threatened us. Congress has yet to declare it a war. We are enforcing UN Resolutions, & the reasons given for invasion, have been proven to be False and/or Lies.

SueinCC...I am a history enthusiast.  Pat Buchanan quotes Churchill in his new book title...WW2 An Unnecssary War, Churchills words to Chamberlain in 1939.  I acknowledge war crimes in WW2, but mostly on the Allies part, as 2 Million German POWS died Under Allied care.  Hamburg &  Dresden had no military role, but more died from our bombing than Hiroshima.. We trader Hitler for Stalin,  Tojo for Mao. Communism Spread to 11 nations as a result.  General Patton called WW2 a "Deafeat" & wanted to Re ARM Germany.

Here are some quotes you might enjoy..All are verifiable

"Judea Declares War on Germany!
Jews of all the World Unite! Boycott of German Goods!
- London Daily Express Headline March 24, 1933

"Hitler will have No war but we will force it on him, not this year, but soon"
- Emil Ludwig Cohn Les Annales, June, 1934 "The New Holy Alliance"

"We Jews are going to bring a war On Germany."
- David A. Brown, National Chairman, United Jewish Campaign, 1934 (quote "I Testify Against The Jews" by Robert Edward Edmondson, page 188 "The Jewish War of Survival" by Arnold Leese, page 52)

'Gemany after WW1, When Hitler came to power, was completely, hopelessly broke.
The Treaty of Versailles had imposed crushing reparations payments on the German people, who were expected to reimburse the costs of the war for all participants — costs totaling 3xs the value of all the property in the country.
Speculation in the German mark had caused it to Plummet, precipitating one of the worst runaway inflations in modern times.

At its peak, a wheelbarrow full of 100 million-mark banknotes could Not buy a loaf of bread.
The national treasury was empty, and huge numbers of homes and farms had been lost to the banks and speculators. People were living in hovels and starving.
Nothing quite like it had ever happened before - the total destruction of the national currency, wiping out people's savings, their businesses, and the economy generally. Making matters worse, at the end of the decade global depression hit.  Germany had No choice but to succumb to Debt Slavery to International lenders.'

'Hitler and the National Socialists, who came to power in 1933, thwarted the international banking cartel by issuing their own money.   In this they took their cue from Abraham Lincoln, who funded the American Civil War with government-issued paper money called "Greenbacks."
Hitler began his national credit program by devising a plan of public works.
Projects earmarked for funding included flood control, repair of public buildings and private residences, and construction of new buildings, roads, bridges, canals, and port facilities.
The projected cost of the various programs was fixed at 1 billion units of the national currency.'

"Before the end of his 4th year in power, Hitler had ended the Depression, cut unemployment from 6 million to one million, grown Germany's GNP by 37%, and increased auto production from 45k vehicles a year to 250k. City and provincial deficits had disappeared." Buchanan also states: "...Hitler had brought the Saar, Austria, and the Sudetenland under Berlin's rule, made Bohemia and Moravia protectorates of the Reich, overthrown the detested Versailles regime in Central Europe, and raised Germany from the depressed and divided nation of 1933 to the first economic and military power in Europe--in six years without firing a shot. He was a figure in German history to rival Bismarck. But Hitler could say, as Bismarck could not, that he had done it all with diplomacy and without bloodshed." Hitler's oratory skills are unmatched. There has never been a greater orator than Adolf Hitler.

Another extremely important point that Buchanan makes is that Hitler did not want war, did not want to conquer the world and posed absolutely no threat to the United States. Buchanan writes: "If Hitler was out to conquer the world, the proof cannot be found in the armed forces with which he began the war. As U.S. Maj. Gen. C.F. Robinson wrote in a 1947 report he produced for the U.S. War Department, Germany was not prepared in 1939--contrary to democratic assumption--for a long war or for total war; her economic and industrial effort was by no means fully harnessed: her factories were not producing war material at anything like full capacity."

Buchanan, as well as Bevin Alexander and many others, points out that Hitler could have crushed the British at Dunkirk and effectively won the war. So why didn't he when he was so vehemently urged to so by his generals? Most historians concur that Hitler admired Britain and sought an alliance and by crushing Britain, this alliance would have been unattainable.

uh huh..... OK, well I guess you could say I lean a lot more towards liberal than conservative; however, I'm sure not stupid enough to think the answer lies in aquiring more oil rights (something well known by the rest of the world, by the way).  I suggest people watch the documentary "Crude Impact", unless of course, you think the idea of a tipping point being just another myth - just like global warming is a myth - you remember,  the GOP party line up until they couldn't sell that bill of goods any more.

Jun 14, 2008 18:43 EST

A street-sweeping truck roaring down a Bronx street sucked up a dog and killed her as her owner held the leash

Robert Machin said he had just finished walking his two Boston terriers and was about to put them into his car when the truck appeared Thursday morning.

The retired transit worker said he was suddenly whipped around and saw one of the dogs, Ginger, being swallowed by the sweeper's round bristles

"I went berserk at that moment because I couldn't believe what had occurred," he said Saturday

Machin said he yelled at the driver to stop, but the truck kept going. He and friends chased the truck for 2 1/2 blocks before catching up with it.

Ginger's slight body was later pulled from the sweeper

The city Department of Sanitation called the death "a rare and unfortunate accident"

A heartbroken Machin questioned whether the driver was observing proper procedures, saying the truck seemed to barreling through the street at an unsafe speed

The heartbroken Machin, 57, choked up as he described losing Ginger.

With his children grown, he said, "These two dogs, they're my life"

Source: AP News

Desert Ranger,

Youre partly correct about Oil.  Its one of the reasons we are in Iraq. But if youve not noticed..Oil has gone from $30 to $140 a barrel.   THe USA is deliberately controlling the supply of Oil out of Iraq & Oil companies making record profits, Saddam angered OPEC & Oil insideres by increasing output.  Now, they control that supply.

And Iraqs Oil,  flows to Israel, Not the USA. Thats why youre fighting. So Israe can have Iraq's Oil.

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My wish?  OK, whatever, it was an agreement born out of consideration for the rest of the members who were tired of being subjected to any further argument between us over this particular issue, but if that's what you need to believe to preserve your ego, I understand, and by the way, this presents a very clear picture of how and why it is so easy for you to fall for all that revisionist crap.

" Talk about @krant and rave"!! This rant reminds me of 3rd grade. I am so sorry and embarassed that an American spews this crap on an international forum... "

ohhh please... I can't get over how the Brits have the channels polluted with sex all the time. WTF up with that sheeet ?  Keep yo discust in yo own neck of da woods overt yunder, and off the American Tube.

... I didn't buy one, silly. I seen a Bonsai Kitty. I couldn't afford it. Pennsylvania does have some nice Eagles, the best in the Nation love Penns Woods.. you should visit sometime.

lol...you loons keep making my case that you are idiots.   If you think America controls the price of oil than you have absolutely no business sense and do not understand that we are now in a global economy and the demand for oil has been increased due to countries such as China and India moving into the industralized society. Basically we are in a global industrial revolution.  But you loons think President Bush causes everything from hurricanes to cows farting!  lol

Don't forget that this so called illegal war was approved and funded by a democratic controlled congress who could have shut off funding years ago but keep acting like they are against the war but never pull the plug? Wonder Why? I know but do any of you loons? Senators voting and saying the same as the republicans include Clintons and the drunken Kennedy swimmer.

Babyeagle.. you are a weak minded liberal pacifist and not worthy to be called an American. I hate the fact that the American military men and women spill their blood to protect a piece of chit like you! I would spit in your face if i could!

More ignorance from Desertranger:

Don't forget that this so called illegal war was approved and funded by a democratic controlled congress who could have shut off funding years ago but keep acting like they are against the war but never pull the plug? Wonder Why? I know but do any of you loons? Senators voting and saying the same as the republicans include Clintons and the drunken Kennedy swimmer.

This illegal war was approved by a Republican Congress (House AND Senate).  Loss of the House to Democrats did not take place until 2006.  The Democratic Congress IS guilty -- of failing to uphold their oath of office, provide checks and balances on the executive branch, and IMPEACH a president guilty of over 35 violations of the law and the constitution.

Until 2006, it could be said that the Republicans had violated the Constitution repeatedly, broken the law repeatedly, threw away trillions of dollars in surplus and then spending another three trillion (stolen from our futures, our children and our grandchildren), destroyed the environment, destroyed our reputation abroad, and failed their basic oath of office (to check and balance the power of the executive branch -- which called for impeachment).

Since 2006, the we have had to add to the list of criminals the Democratic Congressional leaderhship (including Nancy Pelosi) for failing to IMPEACH -- their constitutional duty.

So perhaps we agree that they are all criminals.  Except for the few who did not vote for any of this -- Kucinich, Obama, and a handful of others. 

SO funny... the loonies really come out at night...

Luckily for America and the rest of the world we have enough normal, sane and brave people who undertsand what it takes to keep our freedoms. 

MVF..you idiot get over the politics and quit trying to blame just Republicans, boths sides voted for the war as did the UN.

My only regret is that due to Politics our Military does not unleash it's full abilities on the radicial terrorists Muslims and wipe them off the face of the earth. The entire world would be better off.

The post is bring out the hard core strange people who obsess over dogs. Many people on here including dog people have admitted you are a strange group, not all but the loons that keep spewing the hate America Rherotic. Mouth off all you want cause we are enjoying seeing what a sorry excuse for being an American you are! 

Yes I am talking to you MVF  you pyscho!