German Shepherd dog

He certainly doesnt have the straigh back that our work lines have...as to if that is too much,,,Im not a show line breeder but I do have othe old german show in all of my lines and  none of them slop like that.    Zico v Merlin doesnt , and neither does Milan who just came from germany ans has been in many shows with an SG  rating and Zico has a V rating .

I would say he is too much angulated for my consideration.

 This is as much angulation as I want..this is VA1 universal Sieger Triumphs Gucci

V1 Jada v Steffen-Haus grdam  of one of my boys...91 Junghundklasse Siegerin  Belgium    and this is as much female angulation as I like.

SG1  Renauldo vom Zellergrund   1995 YOUNG dog Sieger is a most acceptible angulation with a Judges review of "very good angulation

Also Sunshines boy SG3 Galaxy von Ajaye has a  very good angulation both in rear and in front. for a male.

But He doesnt roach  like the posted one does.     It may be how the person presented him.....that has a lot to do with it...but I have another male out of  a Bruno von Arminius and he has more roach and he walks with that look..that I dont like...as if he is running into something all the time...and gonna bow up...to me it is strange and I dont like it..

This is extremely roached or Banana backed

the dog is bridged in the front, and bunched up in the stack. this creates an illusion of being roached. not to say that he isn't, but this is not a good picture/positioning. the last picture shown depicts a gsd with weakness in its lumbar column. thus with moderate thrust from the hind quarters and not sufficient transmission into the front, the spinal column would bend. a dog of the same structure, but with very correct front assembly would open up in the front and not compress the spine. is the dog still roached? very interesting pictures from Yellowrose. as preston said, it could be a developmental stage. right now, top heavy and loaded in the front. could change....who knows?

best of luck with the boy.

Shak

Thank you all so much for your responses. Here are a couple other pictures of him. Not great and may not be of any help, but they are all I have access to. Let me know what you think. All input is very much appreciated.

I'm not sure how old he is in the first picture or the picture I posted earlier, but believe he was young, ie less than two years old. In this last pictures, I believe he is 2.5-3 years old, if that helps.

YRT, very pretty boy! I like his coloring a lot. Here is a pic of my old working line male...

Thanks YRT. The sable working line male is one I own now. He will be ten in September, but is still going strong, never know he wasn't a three year old. The showline male is one I'm considering purchasing, but I have to be honest and say I don't know a lot about show lines, so was hoping someone else could give me some input on him. He is SG rated, so I assume he can't be too bad, but I would like some honest critiques, no matter how harsh. Rather hear it now than after I've bought him!  I know it would help to have better pics, but these are all I can get right now. I really appreciate all the input.

He has good rich pigment, normal head, dark eyes and good expression so I would  check his drive and his temperament out and go from there..

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Very nice drawings, Yellowrose.  Makes it easy to understand.  The last photo of the GSD looks good, but one alsways needs to see the dog evaluated in person.  Dogs that get SG can still mature and change from bad to good or good to bad.  It always helps if they have been koerklassed by a respected SV judge or breed warden.  The older working line male looks to me to have very nice confirmation for a working line GSD, and excellenty pigment and nice head and type.  Pretty rare nowadays for the most part.

Lately it just blows my mind how many ads feature GSDs with completely distorted physical traits that make them look absurd, and yet the advertiser claims such like, top conformation, etc., etc.  Yah right, and I can sell you a bridge in brooklyn cheap too !   I say don't advertise with a crappy photo.  If you can't get a good one don't try to present the dog as something he isn't.  Course maybe these folks don't know the standard and jjst don't have a clue about these matters.