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Classified: Choi von der Wilden Nachbarschaft (Sch1)
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How does a Dysplastic female get a KK1 and continue to be bred all these years.... (17 replies)
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http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/95.html
Been doing a little research and I missed this one....and was totally caught up in surprise...just doesnt make sense.
All the ridicule to everyone about get your hips done and "dont breed if doesnt pass "and "dont breed if you dont have a KK..".well Im tired of trying to figure it out..
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I don't understand your point or what you're asking. First off--if she was OFA'd, it was likely after she'd been bred with an a-stamp in Germany. In addition, this dog was born in the early 1970s. Also, if you read the comment, it says that she was fast-normal hips--not the best, but permitted for breeding. |
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YRT, there is no record in OFA's on-line database of any GSD with that name, not that I can find. If you look at the change history the dog's info has been changed back and forth by two different users. Since anyone can post anything about any of these dogs, it may not be true that this dog is dysplastic per OFA.
I wouldn't use this database as my sole source of data for any dog because there is no controlled access to modify a dog's listed info, and no means of validation either.
Yvette |
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Yvette: I found the this dogs pedigree on two dogs I was checking out and one is my own Bear Jerome with a certified peridgree from Volkerstrasse Pedigree Library and the other was behind a dog that has a litter mate who is dysplastic according to the database, also from this same lineage... It states this dogs same pedigree in the other dogs with Uran v Wildsteigerland in their pedigrees...I have not seen a pink paper of a german sv rating to see what is said on the paperwork from any of the past descendants...
If it is not true that this dog is OFA dysplastic it sure would be good to know...
Yes it is back in the 70's but some of the dogs in this current bitch all have very high hip ratings and some of the progheny have hip dysplasia stated on their pedigrees also. and they are descentdants of this female...I never caught it in Bears pedigree till yesterday....because this male has Uran in his pedigree I was looking back at each pair and looking for sables , not hips....when I saw it , was I surprised...not really cause a lot of litters not posted do contain some dysplastic mild pups....its a puzzle to me how Germany has such a difference in ratings acceptible... |
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Being that this is dog from the 70's she may not be listed in the OFA on-line database. However, I'm sure you could clear up the matter with a phone call to verify whatever rating she might have received. |
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SchHBabe: I hit submit before I completed my posting...Got in a hurry...This is the dog I was going back on to look at what is behind her....several have very high ratings according to what I found and I was curious and also looking for sables anywhere in any of these lines...Bear is a sable out of Kanto but Lava v Korbelbach was bred to Kanto out of Uran....and he is red sable...I did get one bad hip out of the only breeding I did with Bear and it was a really bad one...He has not been bred since...Hes just a big awesome Bear in my kennel who carries a bowl in his mouth 24/7. His is ofa good and so was the mom. and all of his parentage in first two generations were "a" stamped and one fast normal. |
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User submitted comment by Paul Zimmermann" " |
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User submitted comment by Paul Zimmermann explains that
at the time at which Wala von der Sturmwolke was bred (alive) it was still possible to breed without the A Stamp,
and to be acredited with ZB: V and Kkl1 - without a Hip score.
Walla even placed Landessiegerin! |
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Some of my first OFA dogs from the early to mid 70's are not on the OFA web site. |
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what concerned me was the high rating on the number over 105 on the mother of this post above. a4 mild dysplasia..
and her mother was an A4 also...all leading back |
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correction ///tHE MOM is B 1/2 and so is the grand dam.... |
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Nearly 40 years later and dog with dental faults are magically getting koered, A3 hips are suddenly OFA excellent, dogs that can't even heel are SchH3....are you really surprised? Complaining doesn't make crooked people less crooked. |
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Hello everyone,
Wala is the grandmother to Palme Wildstieger Land the mother to the best two producers of the Quanto Wienerau line. She produced 2x VA1 Uran Wildstieger Land and 2x VA1 Quando Arminius. If you think there is politics now back in those day's it was invented...Joe |
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I know exactly who Wala is I have a Uran V Wildsteigerland boy...and a Quando Arminius grandson.
When I start seeing B1/2 dogs and dogs in a pedigree behind this that say SV OFA dysplastic ,its not a complaint ,,,its a worry. I know we have politics and I also know we have tons of German shepherds with bad hips. |
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Someone has changed the Hip scores. She was Fast normal and not mittlere HD as stated by Paul Zimmerman.
There always seem to be people that have fun in changing the data on this site. |
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Wala von der Sturmwolke, SZ1286598, SchH2 - breed surveyed by judge Rolf Fauser in KKL2 for 1976-77, no indication of a-stamp! (Breed Survey Book No. 48, issued by the SV); breed surveyed by judge Rolf Fauser (again) in KKL2 for 1978-79, no indication of a-stamp! (Breed Survey Book No. 50, issued by the SV); in 1979, Wala's breed survey (class 2) was extended to 1980 becasue she could not appear herself due to lameness and acute joint infection of the toes, according to a veterinary note (judge was also Rolf Fauser) (Breed Survey Book No. 52, issued by the SV). Wala did not come back for her resurvey in 1980! It does seem that she did not have an a-stamp but during the 70s, that was not mandatory. It was on a volunteer basis (just like elbow xrays were until a couple of years ago). I don't know if she was dysplastic or not. If she was, maybe that was the reason she did not come back for another survey in 1980. It could also be a reason why she was surveyed in KKL2 and not 1. I will ask Paul to clarify, since I know him. Personally, I think the OFA thing was a mistake since I doubt that she was imported into the U.S. if she was still in Germany for her breed survey extension in 1979 at the age of 6.
Chris
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