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Classified: VA2 Quenn sons, SV pedigree, 3X V2
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Testicles! (21 replies)
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Knew that would catch your eye! My pups just had their vet check, & of course, the 2 that are promised to folks were the only pups the vet had a comment on, sigh!...the first pup has a very small overbite, so slight it's un-measurable, no big deal, right? But the 2nd pup, was felt by the vet to only have 1 testicle in his scrotum at this point, she said,"He's very young, it will probably descend a little later, get him rechecked in a couple of months if it's not apparent by then." I don't believe the new owner has any plans of breeding, and will neuter this male anyway, & I have disclosed this info to the new owner. The pups were just 8 weeks old this week, do you think it will come down? Just wondering....Thanks, jackie harris |
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Jackie, it may already be there. Not all vets are good at finding them, especially if they try when the puppy is standing on all 4's. If it doesn't come down, the dog will still be a great pet. I wouldn't really be concerned about it since it's a pet home and there are plans to neutered the dog anyway. |
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I think it is a possibility, but nothing more than that. If both testicles are not in the scrotum by six (6) weeks of age, then there is still a chance they will appear. If both testicles are not descended by eight (8) weeks of age, then the odds are not in your favour.
Yes, there have been cases where the second testicle appeared within a few months. If it can be felt in the lower abdomen, it can sometimes be massaged into place. Some puppy owners/breeders have used hormone supplements to increase the mass of the testicles in order to help them drop. In the end, these are not ethical treatments if the dog is to be used for breeding and are perhaps one of the reasons we still have these problems today.
If the testicle does descend naturally or with a bit of massage, then I would allow the dog to keep them until he is physically mature. An undescended testicle can become cancerous, and it will produce a bit more testosterone due to its elevated temperature.
Regards,
Bob-O |
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Generally if the testicle hasn't decended by 12 weeks, it won't come down.
I've only seen a case like Bob-O mentioned occure twice: once with a GSD male of mine, and once with a friend's Labrador Retriever. In both cases the dog was thought to be cryptorchid, but the second "boy" appeared on it's own several months later.
More often it goes like it did with a dog I purchased to be the foundation stud for a working JRT (Jack Russell Terrier) program -- I kept holding out hope that his second "boy" would arrive on it's own, but finally it never did so I eventually had to get him neutered 
There are surgical techniques to lower undescended testicles, but I don't go with it for a breeding dog because the genetic condition for retention still remains, and can be passed on to future offspring. Which goes against my views on responsible breeding. However, if the pup's new owners intend to neuter anyways, it won't be much of a problem in that regard. It will just be a more invasive surgery for the pup than a simple snipping.
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Thanks, all. I haven't heard yet from the new owner what their desicion will be, as I offered them an opportunity to back out of the purchase, no hard feelings. I did not accept a deposit on the puppy. I'm hopeful that the other boy will drop, I think I feel it up there, but I'm sure the vet knows better than I, so....I guess I'll just have to wait & see what happens. Thanks again, jackie harris |
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Jackie, sit the puppy on your lap, raise him up into a sitting positioning by placing either hand under his body on on his chest. Let his rear end rest on you lap. Make sure his tail is between his legs. Now take your free hand and very gently press your fingers as farback behind the scrotum as you can rolling it between your fingers in an outward motion. If the second testicle is there, you should be able to feel it.
Now here's the caveat, if this puppy is one of those dogs that has a slow closing inguinal ring, it may be there one day and gone the next. It can yoyo back and forth until that ring closes. It should be closed by the time the pup is a few weeks old at the latest, but some dogs are a lot slower. IMO those will be the males who seem to produce a high percentage of cryptorchids in their progeny even if both testicles just happen to be down when the ring finally closes. I also think dogs like that end up to be the ones that suddenly have both testicle at 6 months. I would not consider a dog with late descending testicles to be a good breed risk.
At any rate, he's a pet and if the buyer don't want him because he doesn't have both testicles in the scrotum, then you may be dodging a bigger bullet in the future. It's such a minor issue for a pet puppy that I can't imagine a buyer refsuing a puppy for that reason. |
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Did you offer the pup to the puppy buyer at a discount? I know some breeders do this with pups such as this one since even though he is a "pet" pup, the neutering surgery will be more expensive with a cryptorchid than it is for a pup with both testicles descended. |
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Yes, I did offer a discount.
Blitzen- what bigger bullet? jh |
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| I tatoo puppies in my region and I have seen many whose testicles are not yet descended at 6 weeks, but usually the two can be felt quite easily " on their way". I personally have had two puppies from different litters (same mother) with one testicle that came down at just over 2 months, the other having been down at about 6 weeks.. In the first case I had been feeling for it for ages, and could always only find one testicle, there were 3 other males in the litter, all of which had both testicles descended by 6 weeks.. The day after this puppy was tatooed (as monorchid) the missing one miraculously appeared in the scrotum! I had not been able feel it anywhere before...So I am with jc carroll, at 8 weeks there is still considerable hope, but at 12 weeks with only one down the outlook is a lot less positive. |
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I'm just thinking if they don't want the pup becasue he might not have both testicles in the scrotum, then they may also be the sort of people who complain about anything and everything. So, in that sense, it may be for the best. |
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He's an awesome pup, would be great for sport or companion, irregardless of how many balls he has, he's still a 'ballsy' pup! I've been massaging him, I can feel 2, but they are definately up there! He's a big boy, & is a little behind in other ways, too; all the other pups ears are at 1/2 staff now, one of the sables' left ear is completely up, & his are still soft,( I just love them at that goofy ear stage!) I seriously think he is just a little slower maturing than the other pups, his coat texture is a little coarser, too; not that that has anything to do with his testicles or his ears, just noting the differences....& smart!- whew, he is a smarty pants! jh |
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Are they going to take the puppy, Jackie? If you can feel both testicles every time you try, odds are they will both stay down now even if they are high up in the scrotum. The ring is most likely closed and they will have no place to go. |
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They are still undecided. And that's fine, if, after a week, I'm still unsure about the testicles, he'll go back to the vet for a re-check, if they're still undecided, he's available. If she feels the boys are not correctly positioned, and they don't want him, I guess I'll keep him & neuter him, & then offer him again, with some training. He's a really great pup, he'll make someone a wonderful dog! jh |
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That sounds like a good plan, Jackie. A few years ago a friend was sold a really beautiful male Malamute for less $300 because, you guessed it - both of his testicles did not "hang" at the same level. He was 7 months old, the testicles were both in the scrotum and easily felt, one just happened to be located less than an inch above the other. He was originally sold to a show/breeding home and the buyer didn't like him because of that. Go figure.......He very quickly finished his AKC championship. I never checked to see if they are still uneven or not. Obviously it never bothered any of the judges who examined him. He sired one litter, 5 males, all had both.
I think that has got to be about the dumbest reason to return a dog I have ever heard. I'd much rather sell puppies to pet homes  |
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I decided to name him, 'cause my husband was calling him 'One Ball Paul'---I named him "Arlo", and someday hopefully, his testicles will live up to that name! jh |
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Good Name: dont panic ,,,,sometimes they fall just like they are suppose to. Wait and see , Do not jump to any conclusions.
Keep him and train him and when his jewels are in place , your asking price will be more for the time of your expertise training and skill of raising a super pup will then reward you as a first time breeder who waited it out and properly sold a pup . Most new breeders, and of course, you have a mentor, which a lot done have., just sell a pup, reduce the price and never study the situation to see what happens....
Had a pup that has examination at 7 weeks, had both in hand, and when pup was 9 weeks old, the new owner took to her vet, and one was only present....Buffaloed us....Our vet explained, it went back up, could have been because she had this male on a tie out , 3/4 of the day in West Texas sun, and heat can play a havoc with dogs reproductive systems at this pups age....After she ranted and raved at us, her vet convincing her we had sold her a bad bred dog, not knowing our vet had already examined the litter , and she did have the vet check list with her papers, when she acquired the pup,, she waited and did not neuter this pup....He told her it would have cancer by two years old and she must neuter it immediately.
We have never heard one way or another...She did not like my partners response to her as to she needed to do her homework more effecently and she needed to read her contract and her papers she took with the pup....Our vet stood firm that he examined two males with testicles down and no need to cause a world war three...Wait and see if this distended one comes back down....
Never have heard...she would not answer any inquires from us and only sent one set of pics after that.....Probably is ok , or Im sure we would have been told otherwise.. Breeding and selling pups is not an easily digested job...It doesnt always run smoothly and like science. Lots of ups and downs, and ooops sometimes...And some people will not accept they jumped to judgement calls too soon... |
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I had a male (non-GSD) that did not have his second testicle fully descend until he was 8 months old. However, the breeders did feel it at 8 weeks before it decided to go on a walkabout. I later learned that the slow descending went back to his grandfather (which he was linebred on). I wasn't planning on breeding him due to various other reasons so I did not have to cross that bridge. If they are going to alter the dog, I would probably reduce the price to take into account if they have to go explore to remove the missing testicle - sounds like you are doing that already :-) |
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I just saw an ad on our database for something called Tednitin" a tablet you take for 60 days for an undescended testicle...
Guaranteed to work or your money refunded....anyone else know of this?????? |
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My male is nearly 7 months old and only one testicle has descended.
I think I can feel the other one, up in the scrotom(?)
Should I be worried?
I have no plans to breed but I want to pursue ScH with him......
What is the "deadline" for testicle descention? |
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