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Breeding female,Wallace agrigento and Baru haus yu





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by mygrlheidi on 27 April 2008 - 01:04
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Looks like she is breeding again.


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by Blitzen on 27 April 2008 - 02:04
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Lilmeg is back..............


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by KCzaja on 27 April 2008 - 03:04


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APR papers, hot damn, sign me up!


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by Brittany on 27 April 2008 - 03:04


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AHHHHHHHHHHHHH! The crappy music!


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by germanshepherdlover on 27 April 2008 - 19:04
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Thank you for posting my site and giving me free advertising!


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by 4pack on 27 April 2008 - 19:04


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So this litter isn't even CKC registerable? And CKC will pretty much register anything...$1200 for breed quality pups? Ah hahahahahahaha ROTFLMFAO are you fing serious?! Who buys this shit? How do you determine breed quality when the pups aren't even registerable? I have rats I can paint black and tan, will any of you like to buy one for a measly $200 and I will call it a breed worthy GSD if you'd like. Talk about the deal of the century!


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by BabyEagle4U on 27 April 2008 - 20:04


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Nice hips on Yukon and Rio.


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by beepy on 27 April 2008 - 20:04
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Personally I wouldnt touch anything that was spayed/neutered at that age.  All dogs I've come across that are done at that age have had major issues as they dont seem to be aware of what they are.

All of my bitches have matured with a season and improved with the second.  We dont give girls a hysterectomy at 10 so why is this being done to puppies?


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by germanshepherdlover on 27 April 2008 - 21:04
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So this litter isn't even CKC registerable? And CKC will pretty much register anything...

CKC=Canadian Kennel Club!  I agree they register almost anything these days but I do not do business with them!  I can do business with them; but I choose not too!

Nice Hips on Yukon and Rio

Thank you; it is very important to us!

non breeding altered at 10 weeks

The reason for this is because contracts cannot be enforced.  If we do it before they leave the property then there is no doubt!  Also all scientific evidence provided shows it has absolutely no ill effects on the puppy as a dog.  Actually they bounce back much faster as puppies!  Many many rescues and SPCAs are doing this now as well!  We want to make sure non breeding is just that!


Thank you again

 


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by beepy on 27 April 2008 - 21:04
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Interestingly my vet will not spay pre first seaon without medical reasons - must be a reason for that.

Bounce back more quickly - my girls are normal the next day.

You are trying to justify yourself unsuccessfully.  If you vet your prospective buyers properly you dont have a problem.


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by mirasmom on 27 April 2008 - 22:04


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                                                          YELLOW!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

 

                                                            HUH???????????????

 

            www.caninesports.com/SpayNeuter.html


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by Sunsilver on 27 April 2008 - 22:04


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You might want to check out this article, re. early spay-neuter: http://www.caninesports.com/SpayNeuter.html

I couldn't believe the changes in my bitch following her first season. She matured physically and mentally, in a dramatic way, within a few short weeks. Having seen this, I would wait until after the first heat, even to spay a bitch I wasn't planning to breed.


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by Bob-O on 27 April 2008 - 22:04


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Spay/neuter pre-eustrus? Why? It is a FACT that dogs (just like us and other mammals) need their normal hormone levels to be present at least until they are physically and mentally mature. This applies for females (twenty months of age) just as it does for males (thirty-six months of age) because these hormones are required for the development of the very important secondary sex characteristics that coincide with mental and emotional maturity. That is one (1) of the unique things about the pronounced secondary sex characteristics of a well-bred GSD; the ability to discern the sex of the animal from quite a distance.

I usually do not post on threads such as these; but how could I refrain? It just makes me angry I guess.

Regards,

Bob-O


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by Sunsilver on 27 April 2008 - 22:04


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LOL, Mirasmom! We crossposted!

Well ya know what they say...bright minds think alike!


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by EKvonEarnhardt on 27 April 2008 - 22:04


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Are Yukon and Rio related? they look to have the same genetic hips?

Is it just me or is there another German Shepherd breeder on this board that has the same website layout?

I am not out to attack you or your dogs just wondering?


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by Crooked Creek Ranch on 28 April 2008 - 00:04


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I have bred very few litters.  Of those few I have kept both female and male dogs for myself which remain unaltered.  I do not require spay/neuter of my puppy buyers but I would say 90% have no intention of breeding and they spay/neuter.  I keep in touch with many, many buyers who send photos and visit back with us and I was shocked at the difference between my unaltered pups/dogs (from the same litter-their siblings) and those who had the procedure done by their vets prior to first estrus (5 months or so) or male puberty. 

They are so much taller, they have narrower heads, the body lacks muscle development. The difference is VERY clear and apparent between early spay/neuter and those not altered or those who waited beyond a year.  Had I not known they were littermates I never would have guessed.  The jury still may be out on this but to my eyes the physical difference was marked.

I would be curious to hear from others who have bred if they have also noticed this difference.

 


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by AnnikasMom on 28 April 2008 - 00:04
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Heather...How sad that you are breeding a dog with known temperament problems, yes I remember you from more than one board that I frequent and I do specifically remember Yukon and his aggression. Whatever happened to the chocolate lab you purchased for breeding and the female GSD that you purchased to breed to Yukon? Your dogs can not even be registered and/or titled and on top of it you are spaying/neutering pups before they are mentally and physically developed.

I have no idea why I either suprised or disappointed in you but I am

 

Darlene

Vom Herrenhaus German Shepherds

Grass Valley, CA


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by BabyEagle4U on 28 April 2008 - 02:04


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Wait Wait Wait .... why did the breeder NOT send you the papers if the dog is Registered CKC and unaltered ? What's the whole deal here ?  Just wondering.


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by jc.carroll on 28 April 2008 - 02:04


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I agree that altering a dog after sexual maturity and full developement of their secondary sex characteristics produces a much better adult specimen.

 

...Ever hear of a castrato?

It's a term for men who were castrated before reaching puberty to retain their boyish voice and appearence. I'd never want a castrato dog. With canines, or any other animal for that matter, early altering really does change the developement of both genders drastically. I had a cat who always meow'd in falsetto because he got snipped before he got his "big boy" voice. To be perfectly honest, it was kind of embarrassing *laughs*


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by blueshep on 28 April 2008 - 02:04


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JC carrol, Hear is a good example.  www.youtube.com/watch


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by EKvonEarnhardt on 28 April 2008 - 03:04


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OH my gosh !!!! That was too duckin funny MAkes you think what the dogs go though!!!!


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by mirasmom on 29 April 2008 - 02:04


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Hi Sunsilver!

Just looking back and noticed <that's pretty funny and right in a row!!

 

 


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by ilovemypoodlefluffy on 29 April 2008 - 03:04
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mirasmom and sunsilver, wow that was a very informative link you posted. thank you for posting it. i think it might be the answer to a question i always wondered about puppy contracts. when i bought my gsd girl, i noticed it stated this, "Should the Buyer spay or neuter the above mentioned puppy before it's 24 month birth date, all warranties provided by this contract will become void and the seller will no longer be responsible for any health abnormalities that manifest themselves in the spayed or neutered animal. if this dog is spayed or neutered before (2) years old the buyer is on his/her own, if the dog incures ANY health problems whatsoever.

maybe that's why.


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by kitkat3478 on 29 April 2008 - 03:04
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lgermanshepherover Buyer beware (0 replies) 27 Apríl 2008 - 21:04
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So this litter isn't even CKC registerable? And CKC will pretty much register anything...

CKC=Canadian Kennel Club!  I agree they register almost anything these days but I do not do business with them!  I can do business with them; but I choose not too!

Nice Hips on Yukon and Rio

Thank you; it is very important to us!

non breeding altered at 10 weeks

The reason for this is because contracts cannot be enforced.  If we do it before they leave the property then there is no doubt!  Also all scientific evidence provided shows it has absolutely no ill effects on the puppy as a dog.  Actually they bounce back much faster as puppies!  Many many rescues and SPCAs are doing this now as well!  We want to make sure non breeding is just that!


Thank you again

 

GSLover, There are 2 yes TWO CKC's, one is the CANADIAN KENNEL CLUB, which is the EQUIVALENT to the AKC, difference being, one AMERICAN...One CANADIAN... The CONTINENTAL KENNEL CLUB is WORTHLESS. Do you have CANADIAN DOGS,,, or ONTINENTAL DOGS??? we can all do business with Continental, WE CHOOSE NOT TOO!!!., And if CONTRACTS CAN"T BE ENFORCED,,WHY DO SOOOO MANY USE THEM!!!??????

germanshepherdlover Buyer beware (0 replies) 27 Apríl 2008 - 19:04
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Thank you for posting my site and giving me free advertising!

 


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by KCzaja on 29 April 2008 - 03:04


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APR is worse than the Continental Kennel Club...I affectionately refer to them as the "American Puppymill Registry". They make a lot of money off BYBs and the Hunte Corporation, that's for damn sure.


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by kitkat3478 on 29 April 2008 - 03:04
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germanshepherdlover Buyer beware (0 replies) 27 Apríl 2008 - 19:04
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Thank you for posting my site and giving me free advertising!

Von Der Haus Auger

Dedicated to Working German Shepherds

APR registered {the litter was CKC registered but breeder did not provide us with CKC papers of any kind

 

can't ask for better crate training when they no longer NEED the Crate!!!!IS THIS A JOKE, If NOT... I am more DEDICATED TO WORKIING DOGS THAN I THOUGHT. ALL MY DOGS ARE WORKING RIGHT NOW!!!                                                           sorry couldn't resist this person who wanted to choke me, for using a choker on my dog, DUKE

Tara is house trained, crate trained, basic obedience trained and working on limited protection training right now

House trained, crate trained {does not need a crate} basic obedience trained and has personal protection training and basic tracking.   He lives in the house with our family!Rio has finished her basic obedience training! 

Rio is now 100% crate trained and doing excellent on her house training


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by mygrlheidi on 29 April 2008 - 16:04
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.She has Yukon up for sale again on her website. She will most likely get rid of her female after she's done giving birth also.Poor dogs. I highly doubt she will spay/nueter the pups as that would cost her money and she also said she would do that with her last litter but did not. I think she puts that on her site becouse she thinks it makes her sound more reputable.

I'm also wondering how she can claim she  breeds "working dogs" with a straight face.


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by germanshepherdlover on 29 April 2008 - 17:04
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Your right Yukon is for sale and yes Rio will be as well.

I have never had an interest in german shepherds.   It is my husbands dream yet for 18 months now he has not done anything with his dogs.

Not picked up any poop, not fed, not water not nothing.

 

Oh excuse me he took Yukon for three walks {in 18 months}

 

I figure since I am doing all of the work I have the right to do it with a breed I am truly interested in.

So if my husband wishes to continue the german shepherds; he will need to start taking care of them because I am done!  He has made this promise too many times so now actions will speak louder then words.

I do not mind helping but if I am going to do everything; then it is going to be with my dream dog!


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by BabyEagle4U on 29 April 2008 - 18:04


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ohh gezzz  ..


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by Stonehaus on 29 April 2008 - 18:04


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Feeeeerrrrt!  She spews what we smell.She is full of the poo and need more be said?


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by mygrlheidi on 29 April 2008 - 19:04
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Heather, if this is how you feel, why would you breed them? You dont even want the dogs you have yet bring more into the world? That is just disgusting.


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by germanshepherdlover on 29 April 2008 - 19:04
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I did not breed; my husband did.

 

You know what; the heck with you and your bashings.  

I was going to offer my dogs for sale and get out of shepherds. 

Both of these dogs are fit into my family and if my husband wants to breed then so be it.

As far as the care of these two dogs; I have been doing it this long and if I switch breeds it will be the samething; the same care.

 

I spend too much time reading your personal opinons which are based on nothing more then the green eyed monster!   I need to get away from you and start basing my plans on facts!

By the way Duke....I never ever said anything about you or anyone else using a choke collar; I happen to use a pinch!

You guys bash everyone; and I do mean everyone.

Even breeders who totally title and have 100 scores in their tracking books you attack!

So why should I listen to anything you say?

Your right: I should not!

Go ahead keep your bashing up.

I am done with your pointless attitudes and higher then thou attitudes.  I just hope you do not guide someone down the wrong path and cause someone serious damage because of your thoughfulnessless!


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by germanshepherdlover on 29 April 2008 - 19:04
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Heidi please stop pretending to be my friend and then being two faced here.

You do not know me and I do not wish to know you!


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by zdog on 29 April 2008 - 21:04
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heather, you sorry excuse for whatever you claim to be.  In two years you've been thru rescues, gsd's, potentially gsds, a gsd mix you bought for 20 bucks and tried to breed repeatedly and when they never took you sold her and cried foul.  Before that point, when you were hoping for puppies she was an amazing east german bred GSD.  You've been into labs, your dream was breeding Border collies the GSD's are your husbands claim to fame.

Yet he doesn't do anything with the dogs, and you seem to write an awful lot about them, and claim to do a lot with them, and sure promote the most unethical and shitty breeding practices I have ever seen. 

What happened to your Black Russian Terriers???? STill have plans to breed them since they are your new breed of choice, or at least they were a couple months ago.  Where do the border collies fit in?  How can you keep finding idiots to sell your give you more dogs.

I think i answered my own question, from idiots such as yourself.  Birds of a feather, they say.  Seems to fit.  If you think your website is any advertisement, it shows just how many marbles you are or aren't playing with.  You're a joke. 


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by AlliGSD911 on 29 April 2008 - 21:04


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Is there a way to report "breeders" like this?????  There is one in my area that is similar.  Very sad...











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