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Average cost for AD, BH, and SchH1? (18 replies)
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What is the average cost for an AD, BH, and SchH1 ? (IE, you send your dog to a trainer for the titles and do NOT do it yourself)?
I have a friend who is looking around on the East Coast, and was told $5000 for the AD, BH, and SchH1 (with an extra monthly fee for boarding) does that sound high or average?
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sounds high
probably cheaper in the long run to send to a trusted trainer in Germany. |
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I would have to say around 1500 dollars to 2,ooo dollars.per tittle the ad should not be much they just run around a track maybe paying the handler if your dog is already conditioned. |
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Where is the pride in getting someone else to SchH your Dog for you, i can guess that same person can say and boast to others my Dog is say SchH 3,
But whatever the owner may think it is false and he knows he was not capable of training his own Dog to that Standard, it is False Pride as far as i am concerned, and he will have achieved nothing except spend his money
Not my cup of tea in any Sport or paatime, Do it yourself or leave it alone
Steve |
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Putting the titles on your dog yourself is what trainers do. When a breeder has the dogs and need for them to be evaluated for breeding purposes then they need to send them to another person to have this done. I guess they just figure it is part of the expense of breeding.
It is kind of like a lot of sports. I bet you don't play professional baseball, basketball, or football, but you sure enjoy watching. You probably understand also the importance of the training involved for them to play the sport. Thank God we human guys don't get evaluated for breeding based on our titles. I think I'd be a lonely guy.
Just my 2 cents.
Bruce |
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The Person who posted this thread, did not mention that he wanted the Dog for Breeding
How much better for a Kennel if they can Train there Dogs to SchH3 Standard, themselves then breed from them, that is the mark of a very good breeding kennel and person who owns it, for putting in the effort to train there own dogs
and what a filip to them when they get results they set out to do
I know they do that a lot over here and several in the two clubs i train at,
But i guess that is the general way to go in the USA get someone else to train them, then take the accolades,
but its not like that over here perhaps in part but a lot bring there own Dogs on and then breed from them once they are qualified
I know One Particular Breeding Dog and a good one he is too,
The Owner who has a Breeding Kennel and this Dog is the Main Stud of that kennel trains weekly in the whole SchH programe, He is never left to go stale and forget
Steve |
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$5000 is outrageous, if you ask me.
steve1, you don't know the owners situation at all, it's not fair to attack them.
usimports- tell your friend to keep looking around. |
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who cares who trains the dog...personally I train my own dogs not for sport, but for real life working purposes. On the other side of the fence, my buddy just bought on old Malibu that needs some TLC...a car he's wanted since he was a kid...now he found it but he's no mechanic, so he pays someone to fix his car, no big deal...who cares right?
As far as prices, after I saw this post I did a little research: I found a guy in NC who seemed to have good refrences and lots of experience...for a completely green dog with no work....3 months inboard training = SchH1 title, at 800 a month...and he said he would be willing to work with me....dogs w/ some training may be less |
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Kczaia
where is the attacxking bit on my part regards the person posting i would say you and Sim have a strange set of values regards what you think is correct and Right
Perhas you are a person who likes things done for them and then take the accolades for them when you have not done anything there are many like that about. Me. i like to acchieve something to say yes, i did that, not for other people but for myself it is me that i have to satisfy no one else, so everything i set out to do is done by myself
That is not to say that i do not have help to get there,
That is natural, I have the help over here and they are as good as you can get anywhereand i am lucky in that respect
I am talking about Dogs now, but i am the one handling and putting in the work
It was the same with Racing Pigeons, i worked hard and had a good tutor to put me tright and we became among the best in out country, The Same in my younger Days when i practised Karate i trained 6 days a week (evenings) for 10 years or more
I was not bad at it but again i had a good tutor
We all need the expert help but it is the sense that you have done something by working at it and doing it yourself is what i am getting on about, Its a lot different than paying the same fellow to actually train the Dog for you
You people over there think a lot differently than we do in England and that is on mosts walks of life you have a set of values which go with the Country or it seems your way of life and i suppose it is the same in England we too think a lot different to you people
Having been on several Forums all American based they all mostly have the same way of thinking and it is different way from over here in Belgium and in England, I am now talking about to do with Dogs
Steve |
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$800 per month for a SchHI is still high, I think. With the limited number of trials in the US (compared to Germany), I doubt the title could be obtained in 3 months. So let's say, 6 months at $800= $4800. Would that also include the BH, AD and KKL? |
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Steve, there are many, many of us 'over here' who are breaking our butts, and our banks, to train and title our dogs ourselves. Please do not make such a broad statement, it is hurtful to those of us, who are trying so hard. |
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Hi there KC,
$ 5,000 is not that far off, unfortunately. With the weak US-Dollar, you are getting close to paying that now. I currently have two dogs in Germany and we are getting ready to take over two more this summer when my husband flys over to visit with my parents. Depending on where you go for titles, the prices are now between 1,500 to 2,500 Euros for a SchH1 (2,400 to 4,000 US-Dollars) and 500 to 600 Euros for a breed survey (800 to 1,000 US-Dollars). Of course, that all includes the BH (which is part of the SchH1) and the AD (which is part of the breed survey). Add to this the transportation cost (which would be about $1,000 each way unaccompanied) and other incidentals like vet bills, entry fees etc. , you are way over that amount already. That is why I can't afford any other vacation than flying to Germany, ha ha.
Chris |
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Paying people to title dogs is also done by show breeders here in England, including some famous kennels. One breeder in particular regularly posts on this forum and is someone not ashamed to promote his own dogs.
If you pay someone to title your dog, there is financial and time pressures on the trainer to produce results. Hence i have heard of dogs rushed through their titles, without proper foundational drive/bite work completed, fear biters made more unstable (a lot of show dogs in particular) and judges who look the other way. Worse, we all know the quickest way to get results in dogs who don't cut the mustard is compulsion and punishment, and i have heard of a lot of unnecessary harsh correction, e-collars, etc. Hence, the so-called reputable show breeders will often send the dogs to the least reputable trainers who do not have qualm using these techniques to scrape these under par dogs through their SCHH titles. Often these breeders fromt he UK will brag that they send their dogs to Germany, Europe etc. for SCHH trainining but the reality is that if they want their dogs trained where they will not be discovered to be inferior dogs they are. Not surprising once they achieve their titles they will NEVER work again in the UK and will become stud dog and brood bitches.
In all the SCHH clubs in the UK, we train using motivational methods and will accept all dogs be it show or working. Although this takes longer to achieve results, this produces dogs of much higher quality and with true working ability. We have many examples of show line dogs achieving great success and competing at the nationals - but NOT ONE example of the dogs these so-called reputable show breeders which have sent away to be titled. Not even at club trials.
Buyers beware.
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Yesterday I browsed through and was intrigued by a message with this heading authored by a poster named usimports. When I clicked on your name you had a second ad listed in which you offered training services such as the one you inquired about. That ad isn't there today. I'm just curious what you charge for these services? |
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Bancroft
Good Post. You are correct
you can get someone and pay them a small fortune to train your Dog for you and Put it through to get it titled re SchH 123
But at what standard is this being done
I have seen Dogs over here rushed through to get it to SchH 3 as qiuck as possible but at what cost
when worked again later the Dog loses its way, and has to be retrained to re ajust some bad habits it picked up on its rush to get titled
And for those interested all the times this has happened is because the Owner wants to breed it, So for me they are looking at it finacially and not because they enjoy the Sport of Schutzhund
As for myself i am not interested in Breeding with my two Pups, so they will be taken along at a regular pace when they get one thing right they move on i am not bothered if it takes a few months or 6 months longer than some to get to the end result so long as they enjoy what they do without any added pressure put on them to get titles before they are ready
Steve |
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Hello Sarah,
David Kroyer here in Texas can title a dog to Sch3 for that price and he is one of the top trainers around. He is located in Austin, Texas, but very worth your while! His site is http://www.canineheadquarters.com
Jerry |
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PS : Don't get me wrong. I know of several show breeders who use UK trainers to title their dogs in SCHH who are VERY reputable. I applaud them for spending the time, effort and money to go the extra mile to improve the quality of their breeding stock. Kudos.
I have problems with the show breeders ones who constantly brag they send their dogs overseas, but the only people who have seen these dogs work is the trainer and the judge (maybe), not even the owner, certainly not anyone else in the UK.
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usimports,
You have to look at the bigger picture. Price is all relative. It should also not be the most important consideration. In most cases you get what you pay for. I would have no problem paying Wallace Payne or T Floyd that kind of money, because they have proven what they can do. You have to ask yourself, is it worth it to you? Now if this guy you are looking at has only placed high in trials with dogs that he already bought with titles then would you still give him the money?
I have personally seen what happens with dogs that are not of the greatest caliber and they "have to get the title". It was not a real good site to see. Another thing to think about is if someone is paid by the month what is there insentive to not milk you dry, on the other hand if you just pay a lump sum they might pressure you dog through with E Collars, Sticks, Boots or whatever else is necessary to push the dog.
If you can not train the dog yourself make sure you can trust whoever has it.
Shawn |
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Actually the place I posted the training for is not personally me. I am posting for a SchH trainer here. My friend thought $5000 was a little high as did my trainer. I am pretty sure he charges no more than $3500 for an AD, BH, SchH1 and that also includes the boarding, food, entry fee's, etc. no matter how long the dog stays. His average is between 3-5 months depending on how much work the dog needs (or does not need) when it arrives. The Show conditioning and entries for conformation ratings are extra. I title my own dogs so don't really know what "fair" would be, so thought I would ask, since everyone here at one time or another has had to title, or knows of someone who has had to title a dog or two (or three)! : )
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