German Shepherd dog

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4nZKP-h-Bk

The remark about fluffy?   Where would a dogfood manufacturer aquire any quantity of fluffy's to make it worth their while to include them into the making of dogfood?   The video is so bogus, the guys not saying what the sound track says.

The video is a voice over (dubbed) .   Morons.

I wish people would stop posting youtube clips and trying to represent them as factual.  Its insulting to anyone with a brain.

SSDD

2 Moons, it's not dubbed. Some youtube sound is just behind the video is all. I also don't think this is so rediculouse to believe. They are throwing cats and dogs into food Hodie. Believe it or not! Why throw it away or pay $ to incinerate them when they can make a profit picking it up and double their profit by selling it again for use? That's called a smart business man. They do it with spoiled veggies as well.

However thinking you can get away from cancer by feeding RAW is not going to work unless you feed all natural free range chicken and animals not innoculated for every thing under the sun. My goal is to in 5 years or so, be raising my own food and feed for my dogs. I'll be able to control what they are sprayed and fed with. Still irrigation water is tainted and our air is dirty with polution, it doesn't stop at food. Cancer will never go away but we can do our best to put the cleanest purest substances in our bodies.

Peope can and will believe anything they want to but to squeeze your eyes shut to the gross things that really do happen, wont make your food any better for you. Maybe you can swallow it easier not knowing. Ignorance really is bliss for some! It's the way the human brain works so that  you will not die sooner rather than later. Should I starve myself now, or die slowly eating this garbage? It's too easy to keep shoveling the food in. "I just don't believe that is really happening." "No, it just can't be!" "Our government would protect us from that." "Maybe in a third world country, but we are in the US." Our little minds will keep saying things like this to ourselves so that we DON'T believe it. We don't want to believe it but that doesn't make it any less real.

Trailrider ... we are supposed to be stupid. Can't have self thinking Americans ya know .. that would knock the house of cards right into the protein truck.  LMAO

While researching diets this article was one that helped push me into feeding raw.  http://www.rawmeatybones.com/articles/Nexus07_pub_articletext.pdf.

I can't praise raw feeding enough.  My dogs are healthy and happy and never forego a meal. 

Kibble is only about 50 years old.  Domesticated dogs are said to have been around for 10,000  - 12,000 years (some say much longer).  What were these dogs fed before kibble?

It's "toss a dog a bone" not "toss a dog some dried up cooked meat, veggies, in neat little pieces."

trailblazer lol... that was great. What gets me is the money issue. There is no way a company can make a premium dog food at a dollar a pound and call themselves premium. You know there has to be something else. Hell in human food the chicken is injected with water and salt. for flavor lol.. and weight. they even do it to shrimp. people think they are buying shrimp, when they are really buying water and shrimp. The cheapest bison i have seen is sold at walmart. ground 5 dollars a lb. 12% fat. Hell where did bison ever get all that fat? Dollar wise it doesnt make sense

HighDesertGSD I'll try to give my opinion on some of the comments/questions in your two posts. I do believe the flea collar would pose bad consequences in dog food because of the chemicals (insecticides) because of that "if" euthanized animals are in dog food the "pink juice" would also be a concern to me. I don't know if the heat from cooking would destroy these chemicals or not but I wouldn't want to chance it. I also don't think there is a problem with chicken or beef by-product meal, essentially "lungs, guts, spleen, stomach parts, kidney, brain etc of bison or cattle?", my problem is in the quality control of these ingredients and the amount of heat and time they are cooked, I think rendering them pretty much void of any nutrients. I also don't tend to believe everything that is listed on the ingredients labels. I can't see whats is in those little nuggets is one reason and I don't know the people/company telling me whats in them are truthful. Actually companies are not violating the law by not listing ingredients.An example, Ethoxiquin can be used in rendering a animal carcass but does not have to be listed as an ingredient present in dog food. I do disagree with you on wolves not being powerful hunters. Perhaps one lone wolf, but as a pack they are wise, cunning and powerful hunters. I don't know that they rely on diseased or sick either, but rather young, old, and weak (possibly starving from a bad winter, giving birth etc.) might be their favorite design for a kill. I think grain fed cows would be fine to feed dogs. I would personally ad salmon or fish oil instead of flax to make up on Omega 3, I have read some dogs don't process flax well or are allergic. The problem with beef would mainly come from antibiotics/hormones in the meat. But if we are eating the meat than I guess what else better can a person do for feeding their dogs? This same meat or by products are in dog food. Personally we try to eat game meat and I buy my chicken from the Hutterites (for my dogs too) and a half beef now and then from a local rancher.Pork I buy at the grocery store. I also commend you for adding fresh food to your dogs diet. I think it would make a difference in their health.

I think rendering them pretty much void of any nutrients.

Most human beings cook their food, save fruits and salad.

How can cooked food be void of nutrients? I guess it depends on what kind of nutrients. Enzymes are destroyed.

I am in the middle in opinion. Can science ever reveal ALL nutrients good or necessary for dogs? The GSD may indeed benefit from the enzymes in raw meat etc.

It is possible that some beneficial nutrients are destroyed. I believe that at least many manufacturers do add back artificial vitamins etc that are destroyed by cooking.

Last, I think what is natural may not be the best. How do you know that in the wild no less than one percent of wolves actually die from pathogens in their raw prey? Can you accept a one percent chance of your GSD dying from an acute bowel infection from eating raw? I poach my meat so that the first 1/4 to 1/2 inch is cooked. I believe that most of the bacteria are in the surface.

On a side note, have you had a cremation bill from your vet lately? I couldn't believe my neighbor had a four hundred dollar bill for their bearded dragon, recently departed the poor young thing. They don't let you leave  dead animals to lie, not if it's yours!

Of course, this is civilized country in the NorthEast USA, can't say what the heck they do in Texas.

Just kidding... maybe.... yehaw!

Again, I agree the video is propaganda.   Its does'nt add up anyway.  Manufacturers aquire their products in bulk, by the ton. They are not going to go pick up twenty pounds of cats or one hundred pounds of dogs dead or otherwise from a pound or a vet or a shelter.  And I dont believe someone is butchering dogs and cats in bulk at least in the USA.   Dogs and cats in dogfood or catfood is an idiotic suggestion.    I have worked in a meat packing facility and I know what goes in the out cans and I can tell you its not much.  They feed almost everything to us in one way or another.    Dogfood, catfood may very well be made of guts and feet and heads and even excreament but no fluffy's or pussy's.    You can pretty much find anything you can imagine on youtube real and or otherwise.   Look up the craziest things you can think of online, I could show you a murder, a baby kicked by a grandma for a field goal, a motorcycle hitting a brick wall at 120 miles per hour with a helmet cam on the supposed operator of said motorcycle.    Political views, religious views, animal rights, war mongers, hate groups, S+M, Satanic cults,  its the internet.  How stupid can some people be?     I believe some dogfood is crap, and some of its not any worst than the cereal you feed your kids.   Money and convenience make the final call as to what we feed sometimes, its not a sin to feed dogfood.   Not anymore than its a sin to feed kids popular cereals.

Youtube.....................................  its for entertainment .    And the internet is not reliable when looking for truth.

Whatever happened to the printed word?

Done.

LMAO! " How stupid can some people be?     I believe some dogfood is crap, and some of its not any worst than the cereal you feed your kids. "  I assume then you would feed your kids dog food for breakfast? 

"And the internet is not reliable when looking for truth."  Sad part is the PDB messageboard is also the internet...

Two Moons I wasn't really assuming anything, I was being sarcastic. And your right, it isn't a sin to feed dog food, most people do feed it, hell I even feed a little Orijen. But it is rude and arrogant to come on a thread where people may be of different thoughts/discussions  than you and call them moron or insinuate they are gullable and stupid. I ,for one, am the kind of person that does not listen or learn very well from that kind of bantering. If you don't believe in something, like the video link posted, maybe if you learned a little tact you would get the point across better.

Besides the flea collar, the drug that is use to euthanize dogs can also get into the food; then again it may not be absorbed thru the GI tract, which may destroy it. The drug has to be IV.

I think they cook it by steam, about 212F. Many chemicals are NOT degraded while pathogens are killed.

I believe that if the label says "chicken by product meal", not "meat by-product meal", then there is little chance that dogs are cats are included. First it would be illegal. Second, I can't see how logistically it would pay-off to include a few dogs and cats every now and then.

I'm sorry trailrider,

Thats sarcastic.   You can't know a persons mood simply by whats been typed can you?    Anyway no big deal.

I guess I've just seen too many U-tube revelations on the board most of which were only fodder for the trolls.  

I'm sorry if I called someone a moron because they think the U-tube is a reputable source of information.   Yes there is much online that is honest and valid but you need to think about it before you praise it as gospel.   Question it unless you know the real source.  Verify the facts.  

I will try to be more tactful the next time I call someone a moron, of course I wasn't actually singling anyone in particular out, the world is full of morons, you can't swing a cat without hitting one in the head.

Feed what you like, everyone is anyway.   My bone was with U-tube and how it's used.

Rude, arrogant, name calling, insulting, finger pointing, even cursing, hang around long enough and you'll see pretty much all those things in one post or another.   Least till they get deleted.    I'm usually well mannered hope that counts for something.  

Believe what you will.