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Classified: Wesley von der Arenzburg
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Which is the most popular G.S Dog in the USA. Showline or Working Line (13 replies)
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Hi
which is the most popular of the two, Showline or working Line,
A lot of talk goes on regards the Show line Dog ,but very little towards the Working Line by that i mean Dogs being trained for Schutzhund Competitions
Plus any member on this board entering there Dogs in Trials for the forth coming SchH Championships in the USA this year, i will be very suprised if there is not considering the amount of forum users on here
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| The show line dogs are the most numerous and the version with which John Q. Public is more familiar. The sable working line dogs receive the question "what breed is that" or " is that a wolf" from the public in parks. B&T, bi-colore or black gsds are recognized as being gsd by the general public.
Add to that the sheer numbers of litters bred by showline breeders, and it is easy to see which line has the numbers. Just check out the websites and compare the numbers. (Before the defensive come out howling to the contrary). Actually, even some of the show entries can tell you how quickly show breeders breeze through the alphabet. Each litter is named and
identified by the letter of the alphabet, A, B, C, etc. That often tels you how many litters are bred within a year. In contrast, the workingline breeders, generally, takes several years to go through the alphabet. (There are notable exceptions, though the only one that really comes to mind is aimed at the pet home, not working enthusiasts. That kennel runs through the alphabet pretty quickly, too).
You won't hear from competitors in the USA Nationals here any time soon, I think. They are preparing for the North American Championship in 2 weeks. |
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I guessed that when i see clips of Dogs in obedince and Protection, they look Soft and no real bite or go in them
If that is the Only Dogs the Pakwerkers train with then they should come over here and do the same, they would have a hellof a shock, they would think they have been hit by a freight train with some of the Dogs
I think my 'Fred' would make them curse a bit when he goes for the sleeve he has had a few Godfdumas from some of the Pakwerkers here when he has hit the sleeveSteve
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Steve, when you talk about German Shepherds... it's the showline for sure... most off all... the workingline dogs, they don't look as a German Shepherd anymore... nobody wants to buy them....
John |
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John
I hate to correct you, but if you look at the German shepherd from the start, it is the showline GSD that has strayed from what a GSD looks like. Early GSDs were sable. Over time and because of request the saddle became the public norm.
And if nobody wants to buy them, why do I have a couple? |
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| John,,
What do you mean? True, the public is not familiar with the sables, so those may not "look as German Shepherds" to the uninformed who only see gsds on TV. :-) but, the rest, as with all things, simply have a preference. Some want black gsds, while others prefer sables, or b-color.
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Max v. Stephanitz said: "We have already agreed that our shepherd dog is a service dog, and that he must only be bred as a service dog. He must therefore, and the points of the race equally demand this, only be judged as a service dog. With service dogs, suitability ranks higher than beauty: indeed their real beauty and their only nobility (for their aristocracy is one of service), consist in their complete adaptability in the arrangement, the balancing and the coalescense of each and every part."
When showlines start winning the BSP, WDA or USA Nationals, I will buy one. What line do you see most beside a soldier or a policeman who puts his life on the line with his canine partner?
I want a dog that will perform as a service dog- that is a german shepherd. Black and red...side gate and good looks. They can have them if they dont come with real deal working ability.
Just my opinion! Have a good day. |
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Steve, when you talk about German Shepherds... it's the showline for sure... most off all... the workingline dogs, they don't look as a German Shepherd anymore... nobody wants to buy them....
They don't John ? what kennel are you looking at ??
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Look like GSD's to me !! |
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Steve: While there is no doubt the public is much more familiar with show line dogs, we do have a pretty respectable contingent of working line afficianados. Our top trainers are quite familiar with great working line dogs. |
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I didn't want to buy them so much I have four! All working lines thank you very much.  |
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Popularity is not synonymous with quality and correctness. |
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Most of the general public wouldn't know a real German Shepherd if it bit them in the arse. (should say UNTIL it bit them in the arse).
Shoot, I've had people even ask me if my West German Show line was a GSD mix. So, what exactly does a real German Shepherd look like (according to John Q. Public)? Anyone have an example to show us? I'd be interested to take a peak. |
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I believe ole John struck the nerve he intended to. Is ignorance a virtue? People know the GSD as Rin Tin Tin or the old fashioned saddle back. It is funny since I have had American Bred GSd's in the past and people always approached and asked if my police dog would bite. People just don't have a clue outside of the GSD breed and oh so many in side of our breed. What is the GSD? IMO it is the second reason I wake up every day falling behind my children. Looks? They are nice but they seem to be getting a little fuzzy every time I look in the mirror. For the breed, the GSd will be able to function before he stands in front of the mirror to admire oneself. |
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Different stroke for different folks.
I think on both extremes there is deviation.
The GSD is a working dog.
What is work? Even a better American showline GSD is a very good and alert watch dog, and a fair guard dog if only by reputation. This may be what most urban families want as a dual pet and protector. The better bred American showlines do not have weak nerve. Protective instinct frequently remain high, just that they do have much active aggression.
Many working lines donot observe the S in GSD. Is this also a deviation? |
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