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Before Grain dog food? (20 replies)

Before Grain dog food?
by animules on 18 April 2008 - 02:04


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I have been researching new dog food lately.  I spent some time on the site with the star ratings but many of those are now a couple years old.  While at the pet food store today I saw a new one called Before Grain, they had salmon, chicken, and buffalo.  www.beforegrain.com  Has anybody tried this?  Some of the others I was leaning toward are Old Mother Hubbard Wellness Core, Innova Evolutionary Diet, Innova EVO Red Meat.  I need to stay totally grain and rice free due to one have allergies.  Anybody want to give me their two-cents worth?  Okay, inflation, how about their nickles worth? 

And yes I'm already doing some raw but want to keep mostly kibble for convenience when I travel and have a couple dogs with me and a couple dogs at home for others to feed.  I could feed kibble in the morning and raw at night but still need a good kibble.

 


Before Grain dog food?
by fillyone on 18 April 2008 - 02:04


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I switched Dante a few months ago to Wellness Core (From Timberwolf Elk) and he's doing very well on it.  A bit more gas but not room clearing and it is diminishing.  I chose Core over Evo or some of the others because the protein level isn't quite as high.  I'm not 100% convinced that the high protein levels in a dry food aren't going to turn out to be harder on the renal system than we think.  (I know about the difference in quality protein etc)

Before Grain is Merrick's answer to the grain free food market, it looks like it's going to be another good one with moderate protein levels.

 

Here's a website that actually has information on Before Grain

http://www.chowfoods.net/Merrick-Before-Grain-Dry-Dog-Food_p_224-9921.html

 


Before Grain dog food?
by Jason Sidener on 18 April 2008 - 03:04
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You should consider Honest Kitchen dehydrated food. All you do is mix it with water. IMO its the next best thing to a raw diet


Before Grain dog food?
by Larrydee on 18 April 2008 - 11:04
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I have spent a great deal of time over the last year researching dog food.  The best grain free dog food I have been able to come up with is Orijen   www.championpetfoods.com.    There are quite a few members of this forum who swear by this food.

 

The Whole Dog Journal has a complete section thier yearly rating of grain free dog food in their March issue.  It costs $20.00 for an on-line subscription for a year or you can buy a single issue.    www.whole-dog-journal.com.    Their February issue rates regular dog food with grain.   For the first time ever they have finally listened to one of my major rants.  They won't rate a dog food unless the company tells them who manufactures that dog food.      In my mind who manufactures the food is as important as what is in that food.  Orijen is one of the very few premium kibbles that manufactures their own dog food.  Now finally someone agrees with me none other than The Whole Dog Journal.  Hat's off to them.

The time you spend now researching the best food for your dog will pay life long dividends for both you and your GSD

 

Best of luck


Before Grain dog food?
by Larrydee on 18 April 2008 - 12:04
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Here is the complete list of The Whole Dog Journals 2008 approved grain-free dog foods.   Yes Orijen is on the list.  LOL  As a side note there is a ton of real usefull information in both the February and March issues and well worth a read.

 

Whole Dog Journal 2008 approved grain-free dog foods.

 

Orijen- all varieties

Artemis Dog food- Maximal dog

Canine Caviar-Venison & Split Pea Adult dinner

Diamond Pet foods- Taste of the Wild

Dick Van Patten's Natural Balance-Potato & Duck-Sweet potato & fish- Sweet patato & Venison

 

Naturo Pet foods-Evo-Evo Red meat-Evo-reduced fat

Solid Gold heath products-Barking at the moon

Natures variety-Instinct

Petcurean pet nutrition-Now all varietys- Go Natural

Taplow Feeds-First mate potato & fish-Potato & fish with blueberries

The Honest kitchen-Force-Embark

Wellness/Old mother hubbard-Core all varietys.

 

 

 

 


Before Grain dog food?
by animules on 18 April 2008 - 16:04


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Thanks, I have most of these on my list as possibles.  I'm currently feeding the Natural Balance Duck and Potatoe but it's just not quite the one.  I fed Orijen to a female when she had puppies and it was okay.  I'm hoping to find a single kibble that agrees with all the dogs.  I'll try a couple listed.


Before Grain dog food?
by GunnarGSD on 18 April 2008 - 19:04
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Why not go with a species appropriate, prey-model raw diet?  It's both grain and rice free.


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by Falcon12 on 18 April 2008 - 19:04


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Okay...I'm a little confused and need help.  Just put down a 9 year old bi-color in January (cancer) and used to feed him "traditional" grain type dog foods.  Didn't know any better and would like to try to make a difference in this aspect with two new GSD's acquired recently.  Based on a recommendation I am feeding a mixture of Abady Raw and Abady All Star (beef & tripe based) kibble.  Any thoughts?  One dog is six-month female and the other is a 2 year old male.  This is all new to me.

 

All input appreciated.  Thank you in advance...

Dan

 

 


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by Larrydee on 18 April 2008 - 20:04
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Falcon

            First off you are much better off investing in a $20.00 on-line subscription to the Whole Dog Journal.  They will explain that in depth to you. That will save you a whole lot of time and energy doing the leg work yourself.  They have put it all in a nice neat package that is real easy to understand.

But in a nut shell grain doesn't do a dog any good.  It is used as a cheap filler insted of using a quality meat source by quite a few well know kibble companies who are more worried about the bottom line profit ledger than giving your dog the best quality for the money your spending.

Dog's are carnivors and do best on a meat based diet.  But the Madison Avenue marketing companies have done a heck of a job trying to convince us that the popular kibble company makes the best food for your dog.  That is a bunch of hog wash.

In my opinion  a raw meat diet is the way to go as GunnarGSD has said.   But for a lot of people that is a hard nut to swallow.  So welcome to the kibble war's.


Before Grain dog food?
by GunnarGSD on 18 April 2008 - 20:04
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Falcon - Paying someone to create a "blend" or "mix" just does not make sense.  Here's why:

-  You have no idea what they've actually put in the food (like kibble);

-  You don't know the quality of meat that is in the food (like kibble);

-  There are probably veggies or fruits or other unnecessary fillers included (like kibble);

-  You're paying for someone else to mix/blend/grind food for you;

-  Cooking takes out necessary nutrients (like kibble);

Here is a list of recipes that will suit you just fine:  http://rawfeddogs.net/Recipes.

 

 


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by animules on 18 April 2008 - 22:04


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Okay, here's the site I've been researching through.  As I mentioned, I like the idea of raw.  However, when traveling with dogs or having somebody else take care of the dogs, dealing with raw can be a bit much.  I'm going to try a different premium kibble (6 star rating) and do raw a few times a week.    There are many grain free kibbles listed.  This seems like a good compromise.

http://www.dogfoodanalysis.com/

 


Before Grain dog food?
by GunnarGSD on 19 April 2008 - 14:04
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It's unfortunate that owner convenience is a determining factor in not feeding a dog properly.  I'm not trying to be insulting, but I hear it all of the time and it's frustrating.  People so often feed kibble because opening a bag of dog food is perceived to be easier than opening a store bought chicken package, for example.  There are no recipes in feeding appropriately.

More important than which kibble is best, please understand what is in kibble:  http://www.healthyhappydogs.com/APIarticle.

When traveling the dog's food can be prepackage in zip bags and placed in a cooler.  Or, grocery stores are all over.  It's very easy to simply purchase the necessary foods daily or for the time that you have to be there.  If storage is a problem, go daily.  Also, remember, or know, the food does not have be stored cold all day if you need to set a time to buy the food. 

There should be no problem finding a spot to feed the dog.  In a hotel all you need is a towel.  Or use a patch of concrete or grass.  Ensure no spillage on the concrete and no chemicals on the grass.

Getting proper percentages of food.  Don't worry about it.  Percentages are "over time," so if you can't feed organ for a few days or a week, don't worry about it.

Afraid of what other might think.  Don't worry.  You're feeding appropriately.

If someone else has to watch the dog(s) then simply prepare the food as needed and store in a zip bag and a plastic shoe box.  This works great for me.  The baggie has exactly what I want the dog to eat and all the person has to do is open the bag and pour it out.

 

 


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by Blitzen on 19 April 2008 - 15:04
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Great site regarding recipes for raw feeding. Just what I've been  looking for. Thanks, GunnarGSD!!!


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by Two Moons on 19 April 2008 - 17:04


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As far as using a grain does anyone use oats, oat meal, rolled oats?


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by GunnarGSD on 19 April 2008 - 18:04
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Blitzen - no problem.

Two Moon - If you had horses, would you feed them a roast?

There's no reason to feed a carnivore oats, oat meal or rolled oats.


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by animules on 19 April 2008 - 19:04


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Gunnar, for somebody trying not to insult a dog owner you did a find job.


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by GunnarGSD on 19 April 2008 - 19:04
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How is that insulting?  It simply brings to light the need to feed animals species appropriate food.  Feeding dogs oats, in any form, is akin to feeding a horse meat, in any form.

I'm sorry you felt felt insulted by a question to someone else that was meant to provoke thought.


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by animules on 19 April 2008 - 22:04


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Gunnar, this is your quote I was referencing, not your comment to Two Moons about feeding a horse a roast.    "It's unfortunate that owner convenience is a determining factor in not feeding a dog properly.  I'm not trying to be insulting, but I hear it all of the time and it's frustrating."

Just because I feed predominately kibble, does not mean I don't take time to research it and get a premium, grain free product.  Yes, convenience is important, especially when I take a couple dogs traveling with me and need somebody to come in a take care of the ones left at home.  And as far as putting a towel down on the motel room floor and using prepacked raw from a cooler, or finding a store, I do quite a bit way off grid camping with my trail mules.  There is often no way to carry an extra cooler for prepackaged raw dog food and having the closest store over an hour away is not unheard of.  Heck, having a paved road within 30 minutes of camp is not unheard of.  So yes, I need some convenience and do feel I can also feed my dogs properly. 


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by Two Moons on 20 April 2008 - 00:04


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I'm not insulted.   I mix feed often and do use oats sometimes as have other trainers I've spoke to.    And I know some animals like cattle and poultry are feed meat by-products.  No I dont think I ever gave my horse a roast.  I just wondered if anyone else had ever used oats, I dont mean horse oats,  I meant like rolled oats or oatmeal as a gruel mixed with meats and other goodies such as cheese or vegetables.    Anyway I took no offense as I have much tolerance for different opinions, usually.

 


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by GunnarGSD on 20 April 2008 - 13:04
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animules - I apologize.  "Traveling" was not defined as camping, which does put a different spin on things.  In this case, have you looked at dehydrated foods?  Dehydrated is not cooked, so nutrients aren't lost like in kibble.  Honest Kitchen comes to mind.

If I recall, this product has vegetables in it, which aren't appropriate, but if you are only going to be camping for a few nights it should be OK.  If you're gone for weeks or months then there would have to be other solutions.


Before Grain dog food?
by Falcon12 on 21 April 2008 - 20:04


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Thank you all....











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