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Importing frozen sperm.
by blueshep on 16 April 2008 - 02:04


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I really want to breed my female to a stud in Germany. I want to have his frozen seaman sent to Dr. Hutchinson in Ohio so he could do the AI. I have never done this before and I am curious of the sucsess rate of using frozen seaman? Also how do you know you are getting the seaman from the dog you paid to have seaman from? Any advice would be appriciated.


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by GSDguy08 on 16 April 2008 - 02:04


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Someone in Germany told it was illegal to send that to the states, but don't necessarily take my word on that.


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by blueshep on 16 April 2008 - 02:04


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The dog is in Holland. I don't know if that makes a difference.


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by KCzaja on 16 April 2008 - 04:04


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My understanding is you cannot get pink papers on a litter concieved through AI. I personally wouldn't do it anyway, expensive, high risk, and who really knows exactly whose "boys" you're getting! You could DNA the pups after they are born, but thats kind of closing the gate after the horse is out.

Is it a working or show line dog? Many nice males in Ohio.


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by Two Moons on 16 April 2008 - 04:04


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Success rates are not as high as to make it much more than a gamble I think.    DNA which is expensive is the only way to be sure of what you are buying and its still a risk for a scam.   You would need to be there when the semen was collected and transport it your self as far as I'm concerned.   It would make more sense just to fly you and the dog to the stud as far as I can tell.  I see ad's for frozen semen, one was from a dog who's no longer living.  Might as well throw dice in an alley.

JMO.


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by Sharon9624 on 16 April 2008 - 05:04


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Frozen semen is quite successful with horses, I have not heard nor had any experience with frozen dog semen. Although I would imagine it works just as well, my vet and I were planning to do it with my male however I lost him prior to having the opportunity. You definitely would want to know the people you are dealing with to be sure you get the semen for the dog you want your female bred to. With the airline tickets being on sale right now your best bet would be take your female to the male. Your female would be traveling as luggage rather than cargo much cheaper way to go. But like mentioned previously there are a lot of really great males here in the US unless you are looking for specific bloodlines.

Good Luck

 


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by JGA on 16 April 2008 - 05:04
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I don't know aobut bringing semen in from Europe, or what their regulations are there, but over here, the AKC will not register the litter unless the dog was collected by an approved licensed repo center or licensed Vet.  The sire is photgraphed and DNA'ed if not already on file, and if already DNA'ed, you must bring the DNA cert at the time the male is collected, and the dog also must be permenantly identified. The semen must be inseminated by a licensed Repo center or A Vet who will verify the female the semen is inseminated into.

Most Repo centers/Vets won't tell you what their success rate is, as success depends on the quality of the semen, the fertility and age of the bitch, the timing of the insemination, whether it was a vaginal or sugrical insemination, and the care and condition of the bitch etc. So much is not under the control of the Repo center/Vet that did the coollection that did the collection if the semen is shipped, so they can't be blamed for failure once the semen leaves them.

They always do a test freeze and thaw to determine how many million sperm will survive the thaw (per straw) so they can determine how many straws to send to provide for a breeding. I recently had my 11 1/2 year old Ulk Arlett son collected and he had 1.4 Billion per ecacualte, with 60% recovery rate after freezing, so one collection can give several possible breedings ( Most Vets want 200-300 milllion live sperm concentration per insemination)

Frozen semen is BIG business in Horses in Europe and it is used all the time with them, but I don't know the rules in Danemark for dogs. I know the SV won't allow it, but maybe semen from Holland sent to a USA Vet, with DNA on file in Danemark...maybe?

I have 'pup-cicles' stored on most of my males, even from Eros who was born in 1984 and died in 1996. I may want to line breed back on him...who knows. I don't sell my dog's semen, but I have it for my own bitches. I'm kicking myself as I have a great Vom Haus Antverpa (V-SchH3, KKKL1 solid black) that got a prostate infection and is shooting blanks,,, maybe for good, and I didn't freeze him. The kennel was disbanded years ago so the lines are hard to find.Thank goodness I have his son and daughers....Jackie Athon


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by JGA on 16 April 2008 - 05:04
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I don't know aobut bringing semen in from Europe, or what their regulations are there, but over here, the AKC will not register the litter unless the dog was collected by an approved licensed repo center or licensed Vet.  The sire is photgraphed and DNA'ed if not already on file, and if already DNA'ed, you must bring the DNA cert at the time the male is collected, and the dog also must be permenantly identified. The semen must be inseminated by a licensed Repo center or A Vet who will verify the female the semen is inseminated into.

Most Repo centers/Vets won't tell you what their success rate is, as success depends on the quality of the semen, the fertility and age of the bitch, the timing of the insemination, whether it was a vaginal or sugrical insemination, and the care and condition of the bitch etc. So much is not under the control of the Repo center/Vet that did the coollection that did the collection if the semen is shipped, so they can't be blamed for failure once the semen leaves them.

They always do a test freeze and thaw to determine how many million sperm will survive the thaw (per straw) so they can determine how many straws to send to provide for a breeding. I recently had my 11 1/2 year old Ulk Arlett son collected and he had 1.4 Billion per ecacualte, with 60% recovery rate after freezing, so one collection can give several possible breedings ( Most Vets want 200-300 milllion live sperm concentration per insemination)

Frozen semen is BIG business in Horses in Europe and it is used all the time with them, but I don't know the rules in Danemark for dogs. I know the SV won't allow it, but maybe semen from Holland sent to a USA Vet, with DNA on file in Danemark...maybe?

I have 'pup-cicles' stored on most of my males, even from Eros who was born in 1984 and died in 1996. I may want to line breed back on him...who knows. I don't sell my dog's semen, but I have it for my own bitches. I'm kicking myself as I have a great Vom Haus Antverpa (V-SchH3, KKKL1 solid black) that got a prostate infection and is shooting blanks,,, maybe for good, and I didn't freeze him. The kennel was disbanded years ago so the lines are hard to find.Thank goodness I have his son and daughers....Jackie Athon


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by steve1 on 16 April 2008 - 05:04
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I have already mentioned on here that there is Frozen Semen in the USA from a Really outstanding Stud Dog His Progeny doing well in Germany and in Europe

Steve


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by JGA on 16 April 2008 - 05:04
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Hi Steve1. Who is the dog?  A friend of mine had a litter of 12 from frozen Semen by Gismo last October.... Sorry, I hit send twice on my post above. Didn't mean to repeat myself...Jackie


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by GS Mom on 16 April 2008 - 05:04
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It is Zasko - nice bicolored male very substantial V rated Kkl1 www.daelenberghutte.be/zaskp.htm


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by JGA on 16 April 2008 - 06:04
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How Cool, I didin't know Rinus had Zasko stored when he was here! I think we are going to see more people in Europe bring their dogs here and get them collected as they can make bloodlines available to us more easily that way, and get stud fees they might otherwise not get...good idea...Jackie


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by steve1 on 16 April 2008 - 09:04
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Hi

It seems GS Mom, has heard of  Rinus, A small breeding kennel and outstanding results from its :Pups

I can vouch 100% for this Kennel and Rinus, as he is not only a friend of Mine he is also the person who helps us train our two Dogs at the two Clubs we train in, a Brilliant trainer he is too not only of Dogs but the owners too.

 Plus he is a  well reputed and renowned  SchH Judge in Europe and the USA and Canada, even in Australia

He will be in the USA in early May working at a Presigest Trial and Competition

Problem is we will have to manage without him, but must not be greedy

Steve


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by Wildhaus on 16 April 2008 - 12:04
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We tried this a few years ago.  The cost was immense.

In addition to stud fee it was nearly $800 to ship the liquid nitrogen dewar full of semen to the US, and another couple hundred to ship the empty dewar back to Europe.  Nearly $1000 for progesterone and LH testing, and having to board the bitch at the vet clinic for a week so blood draws could be done daily.  $300 for the surgical AI implantation.  And no puppies.

For what we spent on that, we probably could have taken a week off work, hopped on a plane with the dog, and flown with her to Europe to do the breeding naturally. 

And probably with better results as frozen AI breedings have a much lower success rate than natural breedings, due to the very short timeframe the semen will live after thawing.


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by blueshep on 16 April 2008 - 12:04


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Thank's for all the responses. Sounds like way to much risk and expense.


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by GSDfan on 16 April 2008 - 12:04


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I don't have time to read the rest, so sorry if I repeat.

As far as frozen from Germany...I hope money is not an option.  Someone from South Africa inquired about frozen from my stud, my specialist said it would cost in the neighborhood of $800 USD just for shipping with no guarantees it would not get held up somewhere (the tank only keeps the straws frozen for 10 or 11 days, then on his end it would cost him around the same just to surgically implant it into his female.   Plus then the stud fee.

Frozen breeding is risky if the female's owner is not using a specialist well experineced in handling frozen semen.  It is a delicate process and the females levels must be tested frequently from almost the beginning of her heat because pinpointing the exact point of ovulation is a must since the thawed sperm has reduced motility and does not live as long as the fresh.  If not done properly the failure rate is high.

My specialist claims to have a very good success rate, they've said the majority of bitches that did not concieve proved later to be sterile. 

Regards,

Melanie


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by GSDfan on 16 April 2008 - 13:04


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Meant to say... I hope money is not an object...


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by steve1 on 16 April 2008 - 16:04
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Hi blueshep

The Frozen Sperm of ZASKO is already stored in the USA. Look at the website, www.daelenberghutte.be

Zasko was bred in Germany

Steve


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by blueshep on 16 April 2008 - 16:04


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Steve, I have quite a selection of stud dogs to use in the US. I have been watching this male over in Holland and I would like to breed one of my bitches to this dog. I would like to keep a couple pups for myself and I have another person that wants a male out of that breeding. I think I will check into flying over with my female and do the breeding so I actually see the stud dog. I have know idea what the cost will be but I will look into it. I will take a look at the web site you recommended. Thank's for your input.

Dave


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by Psycht on 16 April 2008 - 20:04
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I am in the processing of sending semen on a male I own (non-GSD) to someone who is doing a breeding in Sweden.  Shipping from the US to Sweden (and the return shipping of tank) is going to cost that breeder around 1200.00 USD.  Of course, that is more of a bargain for them versus the buyer being in the US as you are asking since the Euro is so much stronger than the dollar.











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