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Classified: BEUTIFUL FEMALE FOR SHOW AND BREEDING
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Listing prices in ads (35 replies)
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I am completely new to everything. I would like to get some opinions regarding whether or not to list a price regarding any GSD for sale. Should the price (or even approximate price) be listed or not? Also, why do some choose not to list a price? Some buyers (myself included) are not completely knowledgable when it comes to bloodlines. I would like to believe I know a little about bloodlines, "who's who", etc., however, I'm still learning. So, I like to know price to see if further conversation is even relevant. I do not want to waste anyone's time.
Just want to know opinions...from the pros.
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I personally like to see a price. Other wise I won't call.
If I like what I see in the add, then if I like the pedigree, and then the price is within my budget, then I will call.
Other wise, it is usually an advertising game. Of which , I can't stand. |
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Yeah, I would also prefer a price stated. Especially when they say SERIOUS PEOPLE ONLY.
You can only know if your serious if you know what the price is.
With all the ads placed daily it is too hard to call all of the ones your interested just to find out the price. |
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Or is it, you know you're serious when the price is not the focus of your concern? As a seller, if your price is too attractive, the first question is "what's wrong with the dog?", and imagine the number of people who didn't bother to ask, because they assumed so. |
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I'm relieved to see that some of you feel the same. I just haven't figured out yet, the difference between say, two SchH3 females about the same age with, let's just say Ursus von Batu lines and just about all SchH3 history, but two extremely different prices. I mean like $3k and $9k? |
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I know you would lose potential buyers if your price is too high, but I don't really understand why you would lose them if the price happened to be low. Wouldn't that be attractive to anyone, especially if they know it is an awesome dog in all aspects. Wouldn't it just be viewed as a great deal, especially to the professionals, because "should" know the dog?
Ok, I know there are plenty of shady people out there who will not think twice about a scam. ie "great show and breeding female", however she has not become pregnant at their every attempt
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C Simmons, the dog may be great in all things, but to some people a very low price scares them away. It's like, somethings wrong with the dog in their minds even if theres really nothing wrong with the dog. Like seeing a nice sports car for an extremely cheap price. My frist question would be whats wrong with it. I myself wouldn't look away from the dog if it had a low price though; |
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I'm not merely speculating, that's my personal experience. If you sell too aggressively, suspicion heightens. My opinion is, you should determine exactly what you want beforehand, without regard to price. That way you're not looking to settle for a "good deal". Best dog for the dollar spent, is not the best dog you can afford. |
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This whole subject has its pros and cons on bothsides of the fence.
Would you want everyone to know how much you paid for a dog?
If the seller doesn't list the price, the seller can not get upset if someone asked and then didn't buy the dog.
I like to see the price myself tho.
C Simmons,
If the price is really too low, than I start to wonder,....hmmmm bad hips?, bad temperment / bad nerves?, bad elbows?, sick?, no papers?, stolen?...etc
If it is too good to be true than it is usually not true. That is how a lot of people see it. I will confess to believing that at times.
John Kennedy
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OK, I see where everyone is coming from. I guess I'm just still trying to learn how to speculate price when it is not posted. As an amateur, I would tend to believe if it's not given, then it is usually higher. (of course, rightfully respective to the dog I would hope). |
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Eventually they have to give you the price. So why not list it in the ad. The seller knows the price he wants anyway.
When someone doesn't list the price in the ad in my mind they are trying to get top dollar and I usually move on. Funny how buyers want the prce listed and sellers don't. |
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Personally I like to see a price listed in the ads. Realistically, everyone has a budget of what they can afford to pay. Even if someone has goals of serious competition or breeding, if the "perfect" dog suddenly pops up on the market for more green that you've got in your wallet, you're SOL all the same.
There's no right or wrong answer. |
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| If you could buy a child and you only have two to pick from one is 100 and the other is 1000. Which would you buy?
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I don't advertise on this site,
I have my pedigrees on here, I think that's great, you can see
pictures of your dogs relatives, it's so much fun to research
your dogs pedigree.
I know someone is only thinking of the price and not the dogs in
general, when I get a phone call and they ask right away, how much
are your puppies?
They don't question the vet. when their dog has HD and needs a
costly operation, they don't mind that their dog has developed issues
with aggression and needs a special in house trainer, or for that matter
needs to be quarantined cause they bit someone.
NO............ lets just get a deal on the pup, lets shop around for a real deal,
there won't be any surprises in the end.
So far I have not had a problem placing pups in new homes, I don't list a price
because I need to hear for myself that first question that the potential puppy
buyer is going to ask me, cause if I don't like what I hear, see ya later.
I have lowered my price by $300.00, I can still get the old price but I choose not to,
cause I feel the goverment and the economy is already sticking it to us, I would like
other people to enjoy the companionship of the kind of dogs I enjoy being with.
At below reasonable price.
Paula
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are both children well-behaved, never whine, toilet-trained, sleep through the night, healthy, cute, polite and have previous training in manners? If one is "better trained", cuter and healthier than the other, then I'll pay the extra $900.
molly |
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I agree with Daryl. Price should be one of the last questions you ask. I'm not saying that it isn't a factor, but the dog should be the main focus. The price may be right, but the dog is a piece of crap.....etc, etc. It is very rare that anyone puts 100% of the info in their ads, but the price is always what someone wants to see. Why aren't we asking why people don't put scores, ratings, etc. in their ads?
If you find a dog that somewhat fits your description, what does it matter whether the price is listed or not? You are still going to have to call and ask 100 other questions anyhow. I don't think anyone on here is going to see a price and wire the money without calling the person. I think most people that want to see a price are more worried that they are going to get screwed because of the lack of knowledge they possess. That may be true. Someone that calls and doesn't know anything, may get screwed by a shady breeder/broker. That is true in anything. The best thing to do, is shop around. Most people should be in the same neighborhood as far as price goes. Find someone reputable and you have half the worries. Tell the person that you are shopping around and want to find the best dog for the amount of money you have. Tell them you are looking around at other breeders. Breeders/brokers are like realtors. For some stupid reason, some think that you should deal with them alone. Besides, they should know that you will go elsewhere.
On a side note: I find it funny that it is usually the seller that screws the buyer over. I know it is sometimes reversed, but mostly the buyer gets screwed. Why is it that the seller has all the power? Unless the dog isn't worth the money, it is an equal risk, no? What do you think a seller would say, if you told them to send the dog and I'll send the money after I inspect the dog and take him to a vet? It's funny because buyers are supposed to trust the seller with their money, but breeders/brokers don't trust you with their dog. They think that they will get screwed. |
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Now see Mirasmom,
I think that it is a game when the potential buyer has to guess the magic question that will or won't set the mood for you to want to sell them a puppy.
And money does matter , you just said that you dropped your price because of the economy, ect.... Now I am not trying to pick on anyone, it is just something I wouldn't do.
If I have an emergency situation with one of my dogs, I go to the vet anyway, knowing that I have to put money aside. But, once I am there, and the vet starts giving the assesment and options, you betcha money is a factor. I'll save that " $ 75 " dollors on an exray, that the vet even says , is not going to change is method of treatment , regarless what the exray says.
Don,
I agree that most people don't put 100% of information in the add, that is all the more reason to list the price.
Most adds have
Information on:
Sire, and Dam, Pedigree info. Picture of the puppy or puppies, or pictures of sire and dam. A brief description of puppies, or sire and dam.
Now if I like all of the above, I need to know if the price is within my budget. I might have come across 20 adds that fit my needs except for not knowing the price.
So, now I need to call all of these people to make sure I don't ask for the price, because it might offend them, then after spending 30 min. to an hour on the phone, I find out the price is not in my budget.
I am not willing to waste the seller's time, nor do I want to waste mine.
Even if the price was listed , I could still ask a couple of questions that would determine if this is going to be the right thing for me. Oh, and I forgot , I might be talking to someone in California, when I live in Indiana. That is something to factor in as well.
As a seller, I list as much information as possible, so that by the time someone calls me , they are more likely to be a serious buyer. Then really the only thing left to do is match the right puppy or dog to the person's needs.
To say that money shouldn't be a factor is foolish.
When there is no price, I immediately assume, the price could be anywhere from $2000 to $20,000
Now , I don't know about the rest of you but that is a pretty broad budget, that most people don't have. I know this because I have made all the pain staking phone calls. I won't do it any more. if someone wants my business, I need them to be as up front, as possible NOW !!
For example, Why would someone want to go to a dress store , look in the window and go hmm , no price! The sales rep, lures you in to try the dress on , pick out the shoes, and the hair bow to go with, then when you are all set, tells you the price, that is not in your budget. Not, only are you let down, now the sales rep, just spend all that time on you with out a sell. Now you are just sick with wanting that dress, and your going to try to scramble up enough money from friends and family to buy it . You go back days later and it is SOLD !!
I have a hunch that most people with really expensive dogs, don't want their competition to know what they are charging. And if someone has been around a long time and has a reputation, and it is kind of silently understood what a dog that they would sell would cost, then so be it , don't list a price. But, I am not likely to buy from you.
just my point of view  |
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I disagree. I think it saves a lot of time to ask price first.
If I am on a budget of say, $1,500 and the pups are $3,000 each (just an example) it would waste my time and the seller's time to skirt around the issue of the price until after 30 minutes on the phone. When the seller finally tells me $3,000 and I have to say goodbye, can't afford it.
However, just because I can only afford $1,500, does not mean I won't provide an exceptional home or even a competition home. It just means at this current time, I am on a budget. JMHO
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Ramage ,
we must have posted at the same time.  |
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Jamille! I think you are right. Glad I'm not the only one that lives on a budget, LOL. Wouldn't it be nice to win the lotto and NEVER have to ask prices again?
But then, aren't "some" sellers (not all) more inclined to raise the price if they think money is no object for the buyer? |
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if you advertise a used car or pickup for sale, what are the first questions that a caller will ask? "how many miles on it?' "what do you have to have for it?" if the information was included in the ad, people wouldn't have to ask and calls would then be reduced to truly interested parties. as henry suggested, the ads that request serious inquiries only............well, if you've got all the information and still make the call, then it must be a serious interest. i don't think its a bad idea to include some of the guarantees as well.
pjp |
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Ramage,
Ha ! LOL !!
I almost bought a lottery ticket yesterday, but I had already payed for my stuff when I remembered !! LOL !!
Oh well, I will buy the winning ticket today ! |
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As a buyer, I do ask about price first as somebody else has said. That is not saying I don't care about the dog, but I too am on a budget and simply can't afford to pay $3000 for a dog. So again why waste everybody invovleds time, get my hopes up on this great dog, only to find out that it's not in my price range.
If I see a dog priced very low, I would still call and inquire about it. Since I already know the price, I would then go straight to the questions about the dog, first probably being why is the dog so "cheap".
If I were a seller, yes I would list the prices of my dogs. That way people will know before hand if one of my dogs were in their price range. As stated before, you gotta let out the price sometime. |
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I guess I am looking at it through my own eyes.
Here's the point, and I don't care how new you are to GSDs. Most of the people on here should know the price range for a puppy or dog, right? Even a newbie should have an idea. If they don't have an idea, do they really know what they are looking for and getting into ? Do they even know what a GSD is like?
I'm not against putting a price on the ad. I would rather see it than not. I placed an ad a while ago and I think I put prices on there.
My point is that if I am really interested, than I am going to call the person anyhow to ask other questions. I am not Bill Gates, but price is one of the last things on my mind. Think about it. I will spend more on shots, food, training, equipment, gas, heartworm, flea medicine and time than I will on the purchase price in one year. More with puppies than older dogs, but if you can't afford the initial price, then you cannot afford the upkeep. |
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"More with puppies than older dogs, but if you can't afford the initial price, then you cannot afford the upkeep."
I don't agree with that statement at all. Just because I can't afford 3000, and up for a puppy doesn't mean I can't afford the care for the dog. My dogs get proper vet care, food and love. If a major emergency comes up, no I don't have thousands on hand, but I would do what I would do if my son had an emergency, make payments. Which I have had to do with both fur and skin kids.
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In the transaction of selling a dog (or puppy) there are always at least two parties (3 including the dog) whose interests may or may not overlap.
As far as the question of the dog being the right "fit" - both parties generally benefit from a great match.
In terms of price - the interests of the two parties widely diverge.
It is not in the interest of the buyer to pay more (although some foolish people, afraid or cavalier, will not face this point head on). Even if one has extreme wealth paying more than necessary carries no real benefit - although it MIGHT serve a psychological purpose of inflating one's ego.
The interest of the breeder - on the other hand - is to maximize the amount of money they get. Very few even try to conceal that from themselves although many CLAIM they don't care about the money and usually the most vociferous critics of breeders are ---other breeders! (Competition pisses many people off).
Therefore: It is often thought to be of benefit to the breeder to hold back the pricing in an ad while - I believe - it is never to the benefit of the buyer.
If one is buying a pet where the demand is very high compared to the supply - the breeder will most certainly eliminate prospective buyers that want to know price right away. Asking price right away usually will cause the breeder to be fearful and angry that the potential buyer will drive a hard bargain -and- they will mask that fear and anger by judging the potential buyer to be a poor candidate for one of their pets. Usually breeders claim that people who haggle over price are bad pet owners, etc.... It's called 'sour grapes' or 'rationalization'. Personally, I believe they should be more direct and let the person know that they'll bargain right back because they want the most money they can get. Honesty is best, in my opinion.
Therefore, it is in everyone's interest to recognize that breeders and puppy buyers have DIFFERENT interests when it comes to price. It's also very important for buyers to stand up for their right to want a price that is LOWER than the average for the type of dog they are getting. THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH LOOKING OUT FOR YOUR OWN INTEREST. In fact it shows that you aHEALTHY sense of self.
Simply bypass the concern over price by ALWAYS inguiring about 10 times the number of dogs/puppies you want, and keep track of the prices asked by breeder. Make your selection from the lower half of the price range.
NEVER give a deposit for a puppy yet unborn - and never pay more for a puppy than the average for the type of puppy one is getting. Of course this can't be totally objectively evaluated - but it can be controlled to a basic degree.
Breeders should sell puppies for whatever they can get for them (besides - they ALWAYS claim to not be in it for the money anyway)....But it's the buyer's responsibility to make sure they don't overypay.
With a world CHUCK FULL of GSD....shopping for a great price is NOT CRUDE...it is CRUCIAL.
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HarleyGirl
I heard someone just yesterday tell me that the only reason they took the $600 yellow lab, is because someone in their church traded the puppy, otherwise they couldn't afford it. Believe it or not, but not everyone on this site is talking about $3000 puppies. Some people sell theirs for $1000 and people can't afford that. It is kind of like the idiots that win the Lotto. They win 10 million. They spend $4 million on a house, $300,000 on cars, buy mom a house for $500,000, buy a condo for $500,000, buy a boat and so on. They quickly find out that the taxes, insurance and utility bills are more than they have in their account and they lose most of their money trying to unload a $10,000 Sq FT house that looks like a redneck did the interior design.
I think you were talking the extreme. |
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I think advertising with a price eliminates the window shoppers. I don't have time to talk to 20 people everyday answering the same questions over and over if they a. can't afford what I have or b. aren't ready to buy and are "just looking". And by the same token when I am looking to buy a dog I'd like to know if it's in my price range before I place a call to waste someone elses time.
Most people have a pretty good idea of what they are looking for specifically and what "about" it's gonna cost. Having a max. amount you're able to spend will help you find what you're looking for much faster if everyone listed prices. I just wondered if the reason most don't list a price is because of competition in the sales area?? |
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Just my 2 cents worth... I looked for a pup for over 1 a year. I would spend lots of time on the phone with breeders and then find out the pup was 1800-2500 dollars. I was looking for a compain dog, no breeding right, but wanted to do agility, and search and rescue. After many breeders telling me I would not find a good pup in my price range i almost gave up. Then I finally found a breeder who care where the dog would go instead of just money. I paid 900.00 for my girl, and 700 for my male. There parents have titles, ofa ect. So patience had to come for me, but it would of been nice not to waste my time or the breeders time to find out the price before hand. |
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Personally - I'm going to look at the information on the dog first. But at the same time...my budget isnt great - so spending alot of time talking about how great that dog is and finding out about it....and then asking the price last only to find out it is out of your league is a waste of both your time and the breeders/
You can find really awsome dogs for low costs, and really awsome dogs for high costs. I want to know if that really awsome dog is in my price range before I waste everyones time.
~Cate |
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Buyers who get negative feedback when requesting prices should carefully consider whether that particular breeder has something to conceal. If someone is SELLING something and feels ANNOYED that a potential buyer wants to know the price...something is amiss. Some people like to get at the price right away - some don't. Please don't credit yourself with "magic powers" of discrimination. Simply because someone asks price right away - does not make them a bad dog owner. It DOES however mean they care about the price. Breeders should address that desire. Afterall they are SELLING a dog and the customer has a right to expect value for the money.
Obviously, one should be polite enough to give the seller as much time as they like to "give their explanation" of why their prices are what they are. Those discussions are also very valuable when assessing what kind of dog one is likely to be getting.
All this being said...it is an EASY matter to avoid the subject of price for an email or two or for 15 minutes on the phone.
I always tell people that ask me for advice what NOT to say to a breeder. The number one thing is to not ask about price for a long time. Let the breeder get to it.
I also advise that no one EVER make a decision about a puppy when one is face to face with a breeder OR on the phone, etc....
Finally, I always advise buyers to obtain profiles on 10 different pups - AND WRITING THEM DOWN - before making a choice. One should always ask someone who isn't interested in dogs...help one make a decision. Some people have great skills at "decision making". OBJECTIVIITY from a non-interested source when deciding on a dog - is invaluable as input.
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I don't like my children well-trained, for the record. I want them to grow up and storm the Bastille, not play foot soldier to kings.
I even like my dogs to talk back now and then. |
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I wouldn't be offended at all if one of the first questions someone asked me was the price. What's the point of trying to sell you something you can't afford but really want??? If you're budget is $500 and I want $1000 we have little room for any possible negotiations. And most buyers do a reasonable amount of research when it comes to what the average prices are for puppies out of title parents with above average bloodlines. I don't think there's too many folks that inquire about a SCH III dog and expect to only pay $3000. Generally prices are within a few hundred dollars.
My point is if you are REALLY trying to sell and I am REALLY ready to buy we can get a quick sale going if I know the price from the door. |
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I always state the price if I advertise a dog for sale. I really don't have time to spend ages on the phone going through all the questions potential buyers feel obliged to ask first because they are afraid of giving the impression that the price is their main interest only to disappoint them if the price is out of their range, some people do not have a clue what they can expect to pay for a dog and are actually embarrrassed to find it is higher than they thought. If they know the price before they call, they can then research what they can get for the money beforehand and I know they are serious enough to spend some time discussing the dog and their mutual suitability without friction, embarrassment or later confusion about the price. The only advantage I can see to not stating a price in the advert is to get someone fired up to want the dog and hope they will be keen enough to find the extra if it is dearer than they had planned on.
Margaret N-J |
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Let me preface this by stating that I think I have placed 3 ads and all of them had a price on them.
With that said, I hate it when someone calls and the first question is price. That tells me alot about the person. When is the last time you walked into a car dealership and said, "I need a car. How much are they?" ?
People give my number out occasionally to friends or people they know looking for a shepherd because to them, I am the dog guy. When they call and the first thing out of their mouth is, "HOW MUCH?", I tell them that they are $50,000 because it doesn't matter. I will not sell to someone that is only interested in getting the cheapest dog without wanting to know about health, temperment, etc.
We are talking about a living animal that will be around for at least 10 years. That is longer than I have ever had a car. Say the pup cost $2000. Over the ten years, that is $200/yr or $16.66/month. That isn't crap! I pay more for fruit every week than that. My cable bill is 4 times that.
I agree that it would be nice to see a pricetag on everything, but it really isn't that important when there are more important things left off the ads too! For example, I saw an ad for a stud dog. Dog looks great and has the titles. His scores are not on the ad, but a little question reveals that the dog barely passed the C phase with an 80. |
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Listing a range of prices in an ad will benefit both the buyer and the seller. As Kaffirdog stated, the seller will not be bothered so much with window shoppers and the buyer won't waste his time inquiring about a dog he can't afford or one he feels is not priced right. I am not a cheapskate when it come to buying a dog, but I do have a limit as to what I will pay for any puppy or dog. However price is one of the first things I want to know right after hip and elbow information. |
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