German Shepherd dog

Wow, sorry guys. I see that in my haste, I had a few typos. Sorry!

Any opinions would be great.

Also, when I say future breeding prospect, that is of course after she has proven to be sound in temperament and has her elbows/hips x-rayed, etc etc. She is mostly to be a companion and something I can take to the local club and do some Schutzhund with (maybe compete for a title if she is capable).

Hello,

I would prefer not to as I am not sure if the owner reads this board or not. I would not want to risk being able to purchase the dog if the owner reads this and gets peeved at me, LOL.

She is East German import lines after the first four generations. The closest four gens are American. Sire and dam are half siblings, same sire.

Coming from an AKC background, frankly it wouldn't bother me one bit if I liked the dog otherwise. Close linebreeding and inbreeding is widely practiced in many breeds.

To close for my comfort

Unless I saw a pedigree and since the American lines are the first three generations...do they have championships and any cgc or akc titles on the mom and dad.???Are the parents ofa both of them and what are  the ratings...? I wouldnt touch it..

With out seeing a pedigree ,which you could email to some of the  members here instead of posting it ... Maybe Darylehret has an email you can let him look  at it., I wouldnt want to guess ...

Me either so Id pass on that female...I would want to step into a frying pan of what I knew nothing about....not my cup of tea...

Unless I see a pedigree , I wouldnt chance it.

I devote approximately a couple months on average to make a decision to admit a prospect.  During which time I find out all I can about working ability and health of the parents, grandparents, parent's siblings, and the progeny of each, analyze compatability with what I already have, cross reference opinions and the first-hand experience of others, and see if I still feel good about it at that point.

The question I would ask myself and the breeder is: What is so completely outstanding about these siblings that he/she felt the need to breed on them so closely?

If the first four generations are crap and the related siblings aren't anything either then you made the right choice to pass.

Nah, I can't see a practical reason in needing to inbreed. Inbreeding produces either above average or below average progeny. Are there any living siblings of this female to see and judge their performance? If not, why not? Selecting such a female for future breeding is just too big of a potential risk IMO.
Inbreeding may produce above average progeny for show/competition, but I would think that's about it. With such big decisions also has to come the big responsibility to CULL all substandard progeny. And who in this day/age wants to do that?
Linebreeding is practical in that its supposed to be better to predict than a shot-in-the-dark outcrossing (no common ancestors within like the first 6 generations).
I agree with your decision to pass on this female. I had one inbred female once almost a decade ago (American Show lines-her Champion parents were also half-siblings but I didn't know that until after I had done bought her-I had to order her AKC pedigree myself)-she was pretty sane and fine until she hit 5yrs old-then went ape-crap pretty much overnight, ate a litter of new pups(2nd litter-1st litter was all stillborn), nipped our 8yr son, got overly possessive of me, etc. Nothing gave us any forewarning that we recognized that she was gonna just...'snap' but she would. We just couldn't have her sudden development of a dangerous jeckyll/hyde personality, even though I loved her and was perplexed. She could be fine, then it would come into her eyes and it was like she was a totally different dog. And she had been FINE, healthy, and was always cared for properly. Vets never found anything abnormal like a brain tumor or anything to explain the changes, so in the best interest of all and safety of our children, we put her down. I have never owned another American lines GSD, let alone inbred one again-lesson learned in my case.

I disagree , also , as many breeders of cattle , bulls that sell for 100,00.00 for top meat producing and birds of the top champion lines are all inbreed by the experts to get the certain charachterics to  mainline and stay put in the breed...every dog line we  have has been inbred back in the generations somewhere...just study them  and it takes months to follow all of them  ...If there is a  health issue  then you got the wrong blood line and you dont do it....and there are many other issues to bring forward...inbreeding is a whole nuther thread and a long study.. Yes, you may enhance the bad and the good. I really dont think any top breeder or expert genetics breeder is going to share much of what they do or dont do...I think that is a highly private business decision and is part of their kennels own learnings.  Good business people dont disclose how they achieve their success stories., usually until they are gone to the mansion in the sky and then a book gets written on it...those books are kinda hard for me to understand on genetics.

I had to go to a breeders home for months , years ago and she gave me books and reports and made charts and did chalk board talks to help me figure out even what all the ins and out of all the breeding choices are...cross , out and line and in are very deep and need  a lot of hours of study....Maybe someone on our board who is good at explaining can take each one and make a thread about each and do a chart or explanation and how it works....would make a good info for all of us.

The hardest part of the inbreeding is when I was told by a german breeder , that I had better be ready to dispose of a ,or any part of a litter that went wrong....Had a hard time with that...but that is part of the business.