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Best De-wormers? (17 replies)

Best De-wormers?
by Naya's Mom on 10 April 2008 - 00:04


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Finally, after years of breeding Goldens, a client finally said that one of the pups had worms. I've been using Nemex-2 for years, and never had a problem, but for some reason, the pup had hook and roundworms, the kind Nemex-2 is SUPOSED to cover...so, my question is for breeders, and pet owners alike, what de-wormers do you use, with great success, where can I get them, and if possible, a price range.


Thank you, PM if you want to keep any information private.


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by gsdlvr2 on 10 April 2008 - 00:04
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 I have good success with Interceptor. It additionally covers whipworms. It is expensiveish.

Is Nemex-2  the yellow stuff? liquid?

Nice to see you back Naya's Mom


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by KCzaja on 10 April 2008 - 02:04


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I've used Nemex and Evict with no problems.


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by Naya's Mom on 10 April 2008 - 05:04


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Hello GSDLVR2, Thanks, nice to be back! Yeah, Nemex-2 is the yellow creamy liquid...suposedly a top quality brand, but it only covers the hook and round, it doesn't cover whips...do you know where I could possibly look into Interceptor? I've been buying Nemex-2 at Jefferspet.com for a pretty good price.


KCzaja I've used several, including De-Worm 120, and Evict...I thought the Nemex-2 was good, but...


DOES ANYONE KNOW IF THE GENERAL PUBLIC CAN PURCHASE "STRONGID-T" It's what my vet uses, and it kills everything, I think...My vet charges an office visit, fecal sample, plus the actual product, so does anyone know where I could find it, possibly?


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by animules on 10 April 2008 - 15:04


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I use Sentinel.  No fus, no mess.  An easy to give, chewable tablet you put in with their food.

From the pet meds web site:  "What is Sentinel: Sentinel is given once a month for the prevention of heartworm disease in dogs. Sentinel also protects against hookworm, roundworm and whipworm. Sentinel is also used to control fleas by preventing the development of flea eggs. Sentinel does not kill adult fleas. The American Heartworm Society recommends that heartworm prevention is used year round. Sentinel may also be used for purposes other than those listed in this guide."

http://www.1800petmeds.com/Sentinel-prod10118.html

 


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by katjo74 on 11 April 2008 - 01:04


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I use an over-the-counter 2 oz bottle of a palatable liquid wormer typically available in feed stores (Tractor Supply) and even potentially some Wal*Marts called RFD Liquid wormer by Pfizer, which is a Pyarantel Pamoate wormer approved by the FDA (price is like $7-15 per 2 oz. bottle, depending on where you get it). I'm sure there's other versions of the same thing for different prices-just keep in mind pyrantel pamoate is the main wormer ingredient and the bottle is 2 ounces (be sure to purchase a 6cc syringe for dosing pups also), which usually allows me to properly worm a litter of 6 GSD pups up to 7wks old (at 3wks, 5wks, and 6-6 1/2wks intervals-I can worm nursing mom with it, too, if I feel there's a need). It keeps pups and dogs clear of both round & hookworms and works pretty good and is safe for pups without needing fasting. Since I've used RFD my pups' fecals have come back negative when checked by clients' vets (which is required as part of my health guarantee). It takes alot of the 2 oz to dose a single adult dog-I would suggest stuff like Heartgard, Sentinel,Interceptor, etc for bigger or older dogs with such worm issues. RFD is also yellow much like Nemex but is more powerful without being too strong for pups. http://www.drugs.com/vet/rfd-liquid-wormer.html is a link to tell you more about the RFD wormer.
Hope that helps. 


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by katjo74 on 11 April 2008 - 02:04


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Evict is another form of the RFD wormer I mentioned. Both are good.
Using RFD I've not had to deal with any whipworm incidents in years.

All these wormers are also horse wormers(Ivermectin-Heartgard, Pyrantel pamoate-Evict, RFD & Strongid-T). Isn't Strongid-T just pyrantel pamoate also but in brand-name form? I certainly think so. So, if it is and its so expensive to get it in that brand-name, then why wouldn't other pyrantel wormers work as effectively without the big cost and vet prescription?
The horse-paste can be used and administered in dogs effectively (both for health & cost), but due to the stronger concentrate, must be used with caution as overdoses is very possible.

Check the stats on Strongid-T and see that they are the SAME to this product (but without prescription and big $): http://www.pupspetsupply.com/pProductDetails.php?id=368 =50mg pyrantel per mL. That is also Strongid's strength/active ingredient. 

There's you a source to get the Strongid-T strength in an affordable generic form without prescription.



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by katjo74 on 11 April 2008 - 02:04


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Just as a side note, one of my adult GSDs was diagnosed with hookworms (just a few-not an infestation) in December WHILE ON SENTINEL (prior fecals for years have been negative). When I asked how in the world this was humanly possible, they told me this:
"It's like anything; you give that [Sentinel] as a preventative monthly but its not meant to be used as an actual wormer. Its just like the vaccinations-seeing that your dog is properly vaccinated doesn't guarantee the dog won't get a disease if directly exposed. It just lowers the chances. If a dog is directly exposed to a parasite such as a hookworm, then inevitably, they can get it, even if they are on preventative meds."  My reaction?  After all, Sentinel monthly for 8 GSDs  is NOT CHEAP.

SOOO....even though we give this (or other heartworm medications) religiously to our dogs monthly for their well-being and safety, we STILL need to worm them. I thought that was a little insane initially, but I guess it makes some sense now that I've thought about it.


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by tristatek9 on 11 April 2008 - 03:04


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Panacure is what I like in combination with nemex 2.

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by targo01 on 11 April 2008 - 11:04
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Katjo74,  What would be the proper dosage for dogs if one was to use the ivermectrin or strongid-t for horses? I use these products for my horses and have always wondered if they would work for the dogs also. Thanks


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by Naya's Mom on 11 April 2008 - 21:04


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Thank you all who contributed to this post! I have a breeding planned with one of my Golden bitches in a few months, so that will give me time to get the new dewormer, and then see how well it works. Thanks so much again!


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by pagan on 11 April 2008 - 22:04


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be careful with ivermectin it kills collies /shelties/old english sheepdogs /and any mix of those breeds .I think it is ok on GSDs have used it on terriers.


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by Laural H on 12 April 2008 - 01:04
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KV Vet has Pyrantel Pamoate   16 oz for $18.95 and 32 oz for $31.95  This is what I have been using and have had very good results for years.


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by katjo74 on 12 April 2008 - 01:04


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Always keep in mind horse wormers are made primarily for horses-those bigger 900+lb bodies. And, longer coated GSDs can be more sensitive to horse wormers like I'm about to tell you than regular GSDs. Yes, Collies and other herding breeds are very sensitive to these types of wormers. You have to assume all responsibilities and proceed at your own risk to attempt such. I can only tell you my own personal past experience and how I used it.

I used horse Ivermectin for a male I had for almost a decade and he never got heartworms and was as fertile as ever, was healthy and fine (succumbed to an aggressive cancer formed at a front leg joint just 2 mos prior to turning 10yrs old, which had nothing to do with how I wormed him).

This is my dose per month: I squeeze out just enough white paste to make a strip from the base of my thumb fingernail to the end of my finger and put it in a little hollowed ball of hamburger to ensure it all gets taken(it tastes nasty to a dog otherwise). No, it's not a whole lot, but the stuff is pretty powerful. I give a little less to 6+mos old juveniles and a little more to hefty adult males. I don't have a particular measurement of it. One $3 tube of generic Ivermectin horse wormer has protected 4-5 GSDs for many months and keep them free of heartworms without the expensive $6 per dog per month expense for me. If by chance I'd have a dog who got hookworms or something, I'd repeat the dosing 2 wks later to clean out the system entirely. This is NOT safe for pregnant GSDs-this is too powerful of a wormer to use during pregnancy (ANY horse wormer formulas) and can cause miscarriage. But, so can Heartgard Plus(Had a GSD misscariage happen on 'safe' Heartgard Plus in July 2005, which is a combo of Ivermectin & Pyrantel Pamoate).

It's better to not give enough than to give too much because an overdose can be fatal. I'm not a vet; I'm just a avid GSD person who loves the breed and has some understanding about horses also(I have 2). I've used this for a long time and it has worked. So far no overdosing, and no heartworms, either(most of my crew get annual heartworm blood testing because its required for TDI{Therapy} dogs).  Like I said: Proceed At Your OWN Risk.


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by bomilly on 12 April 2008 - 02:04
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Available from KV Vet Supply

Pyrantel Pamoate-Same strength and dosage as Strongid-T, but no prescription needed and way cheaper. Great for puppies.

 
Panacur Suspension-Excellent for puppies. Also effective against Coccidia. Also available in smaller bottles as Safeguard Liquid. Both are also available in feed stores.
 
Safeguard-Same strength as Panacur Granules. Also available in feed stores and Petsmart & Petco.

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by Ramage on 12 April 2008 - 02:04


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I use horse wormer - Ivermectin. The tube comes in 250 lb increments. I usually half this and give that amount to each dog (larger dogs at 70 - 110 lbs).


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by Jamille on 12 April 2008 - 03:04


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I always have these wormers in my house : 

listed by active ingredients not name brands.

 

Ivermectin-  Heartworms,   0.1 cc /will treat large male for a month////////      

 

Pyrantal Poamate- is basically Strongid or Nemex or other name brands,   Does not treat Whipworms, or Heartworms  This product has lost some potentcy over the years, the parasites have built some immunity to it,  so you have to increase the dosage, Compared to  what you used to be able to use.    Used to be 1cc/ 20 lbs,   Now it should be 1cc/ 10 lbs.   And I might give a little extra for good measure.  This product is pretty safe to do this with. 

 

Fendabendazole-  Treats Whipworms, but must be used 3 days in a row,   and again in 2 weeks.   Then go to once a month.  Whipworm eggs are what is hard to destroy, so if you have a whipworm problem, you have to treat frequently until it gets under control.     Does not treat Heartworms


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by GunnarGSD on 12 April 2008 - 14:04
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The chemicals used in some of the above mentioned products are neurotoxins, which is how they kill the worms.  These chemicals also affect the dogs.

First, a species appropriate, prey model diet boosts the immune system making the dog healthier.  Infestations are rare in healthy animals.  Also, healthy dogs are able manage parasites and worms on their own without the use of vaccines or chemicals, so there is no need to apply or administer them.

Food grade diatomaceous earth can be given to rid the dog of worms.  It can also be used in the yard to prevent bugs.  Several vendor sites give directions for administering or applying DE.

 











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