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Breaking up dog fights (19 replies)
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Had this happen today and thought I would give put it out there and give people some advice.............
I am with my dog at a school. This school is a K-6 and High school on the same grounds. It is huge. I was going to go into the K-6 field and saw a young woman going there with two pit bulls. I have seen this girl walking the neighborhood before but with only one. So I go over to the high school side.
Well about 15 minutes later, I can hear this girl yelling at her dogs. I first thought she had let them loose and they were not comming back. The K-6 school field is sunkin from the HS so I could not see them. This went on for about a minute. I could see a couple people looking through the fence but still dodn't think much of it. Then I could see her arm come up with a leash in it so I knew she was hitting something. So I stand up and then I hear her call for help. I thought, "oh shit, I hope those dogs are not on her."
I was in a pickle because I had my dog, and no where to post her out. So I jumped the fence to the baseball diamond and started running to my truck which was over 600 yards away. A guy is running on the track (bigger than I was) and started waving me down to help the girl. He was giving no indication of being willing to help. I yelled at him and asked if the dogs were on the young lady. He said, "I don't know." So I throw Piston in the back of my truck and ran down to the girl, another 500-600 yards away.
Luckily the dogs were just fighting each other. The girl had been bit and was bleeding from her hand and arm. The dogs were locked pretty good. One had a leash on it, the other did not. So I told the girl to grab the leash of the one dog. I ran my leash under the neck of the other dog and put the clasp end through the handle to make a slip lead. I pulled the dog up and choked it off the other dog. I checked the girls injuries, then the dogs. All were minor. One dog was a 10 year old male (her dog) the other a young female (boyfriends) the female was the aggressor and was getting the better of the old guy. I took control of the female dog and walked the girl back to her home.
Con't |
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So I figured I would give my advice should anyone ever get into a dog fight situation.
First thing first; always do whatever you need to do to keep yourself safe. If you choose not to get involved CALL FOR HELP OR 911. When this was all over, I noticed there were at least 12-15 people who had been watching this and no one offered to help, which is understandable but it was unbelievable to me that no one had called for help.
My own opinion on this is if I expect my dog to protect me from an attack from a person, I share that responsibility to my dog in the event they are attacked by another dog. If the dog is loose or a stray, I drop the leash and jump in the fight and we win. Period. I have only had to do this two times in my whole life.
So if you choose to get involved and attempt to break up the fight......
You must stay calm. Dogs of somewhat even size and ability can fight for a very long time without seriously injuring themselves. It is a scary and elevated situation but it is not theend of the world. Unless on dog is really on the other one's throat, they are not going to kill each other. 99% of the time, I see people jump in and start kicking or grabbing. worst thing you can do.
Hopefully you are not by yourself and someone can help you. You should always have you leash(s) so use them. Pick up the leashes and hang the dogs until they separate.
If you are by yourself, and these dogs will not stop, take the leash of one, and somehow anchor the dog. Even if you have to drag both dogs get one to something you can anchor it and choke the other dog off. If there is no possible way to anchor one dog, choke one of them unconcience.
No some may say this is to harsh but I am referring to a MAJOR dog fight with dogs that have consitution to continue fighting for a long period of time. Most dog fights are nothing but theatrical bluffing. However there are those times when you have serious dogs with serious intentions towards one another.
Con't
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The best way I know of if there are two people present, is for each person to get to one of the dogs and lift the hind legs in the air. There is a risk of the dog turning to you at that point but it will break up the fight between the dogs and hopefully you will not be included in the fight. I have separated dogs that attacked my very strong shepherd import in the past this way,as the other dogs realized they had bitten off more then they could chew and I am very small, but you will need two people for the dogs that are serious about continuing the fight, Barb |
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The best way I know of if there are two people present, is for each person to get to one of the dogs and lift the hind legs in the air. There is a risk of the dog turning to you at that point but it will break up the fight between the dogs and hopefully you will not be included in the fight. I have separated dogs that attacked my very strong shepherd import in the past this way,as the other dogs realized they had bitten off more then they could chew and I am very small, but you will need two people for the dogs that are serious about continuing the fight, Barb |
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Last thing, please do not hijack this thread into anti-bull breed rhetoric or cast out oh holier than thou opinion of this young woman. Dogs are dogs. These things happen.
I was amazed at how well this young lady did in the situation. She was no more than 25, 5'4 125 lbs. She remained calm, did her best, and called for help. She had leashes for both dogs. Both dogs showed zero aggression towards either of us, during the fight or after. Both dogs were obviously well taken care of. Her dog was 10, altered, and had a large scar from a surgery, so she obvioulsly loved and cared for her dog. She said, "I should have known better but it was such a nice day and I was home alone, so I figured I would take the dogs out."
She thanked me many times during the walk home and I am sure she learned her lesson. So again, please share any experience you may have but lets not breed bash or bash this young woman. She did a great job considering the circumstances.
Hope this may help someone who finds themselves in a similar situation.
Take care. |
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Very good point GARD. Though some folks might not be able to physically choke a dog out. Though, once when I had to break my two girls up, my adreline up up too, which was what pulled me through that. And they were also also 60 pounds each whereas I could string them up until they stopped fighting. |
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You are right it could have happened to anyone of us. I use to have 2 that would get into it 1 time a year. The female usally just let the jerk have his way but there were times she just had enough of his bullying and would take no more crap from him. |
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Breaking up any dog fight is risky, even for a tall man armed with a shovel. I guess the most important thing to remember is to never get your head close enough to the ground so that your face or throat can be bitten.
I have only once let a pair of males fight it out, and it was because I could not reach them in time. I was very lucky that neither were seriously injured. These males were brothers and normally were not near each other unless I was present and this was not that type of day. The bully of the pair got his butt kicked that afternoon and from that point forward there was an uneasy truce between them. I never let them near each other again unless I was between them.
The worst one I ever had through was when three (3) bitches suddenly ganged up on another one. The subject of the attack was not injured as severely as I was, as I endured multiple bites to my hands, arms, and legs. GARD, I do agree with choking one stupid if that is what it takes. That afternoon I was grabbing bitches by the rear legs, pulling and tossing them as far as I could. I hated doing that, but I also hate to see a dog injured.
Regards,
Bob-O |
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Rezkat5,
You are right. The best way to do it to minimize injury to the dogs is to use a break stick. Then you don't have to lift the dog for a long period of time and the dogs don't tear as much flesh. I don't know anyone who carries a break stick. Seen some Bulldog people carry them at a bulldog show I went to once.
I usually carry a 10 inch yawara stick ( I am an impact weapons instructor) but I was in basketball shorts with no pockets so I didn't have it on me.
When it comes to choking a dog out, you do not have to string it up. I should have been more descriptive. I think the best way is to step around the front of the dogs head, pull slightly up and forward into the other dog. What I did was anchor the dog to the ground by using my knee on her on shoulder blade then pulled up and forward. Dogs feet never left the ground.
In the end though, you just do what you gotta do. Often times that is just leave it be. The dogs more likely than not, work it out themselves or get exhausted enough to make things easier. Most people are not able to do that though.
Again, most of the time (unless you are dealing with bull breeds or very hard dogs) they will work it out and like I said can fight for a long time without seriously hurting themselves. But of course if we can we want to break it up to minimize injury to the animals (and hopefully ourselves)
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You are right about staying calm and trying to get a lead on both dogs. I would not be grabbing a pit by the hind leg or anything else. Calling for help (911) might be a good idea especially for an injury but thats gonna take time and a lot can happen while your waiting. I won't bash pits but people are so stupid about handling them I dont care how sweet they are. I would be very wary of them solely because of the damage one can do. I have seen them break bones and not let go until forced with a breaking stick to let go. Looking for help from the people watching is a joke most of the time. People would watch anything and never get involved for the most part. Thank goodness for that one citizen who steps up, they are real hero's sometimes.
Bad dog fights are better left alone unless you have help or feel capable of handling the dogs. Most fights dont last that long and dont cause that much damage to the dogs if they are matched in size and weight. If its a larger dog on a toy then whatever happens is gonna happen fast and I doubt you'll have time to stop it. Pits can go on for hours tho and can really be dangerous to a non pit dog. Usually they are not handler agressive and can be separated if you have help.
I have had my GSD's (females) get into it and I guess I didnt do it right. After the calm went away I ended up giving them both a good hard kick and kind of looked like a gorilla charge tear assing into both of them. I dont recommend it.
Best advise, get help. |
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Anyone who works with dogs of any breed, should have breaking sticks (parting sticks). The instructions for their use on the internet is OK, but incorrect when its stated that other breeds dont lock and work holds like Pitbulls. There are many dog aggressive dogs of different breeds and mixes. I have needed sticks to break up fights between dogs that had no Pitbull blood at all.
When dogs are in hold, there isn't much room to get anything inbetween their jaws. A strong, sticklike device with a thin blade like end is needed. Breaking Sticks have been covered on this forum before.
http://www.pbreporter.com/superstick.htm |
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I could have used one of those once. Ding bat dogs would not let go. I have a scar where one tooth sliced me to the joint on my thumb. Still bothersome.
Good advice on how to deal with this situation best and hopefully safest. I hope I remember even a kernel of it if the need ever comes up. I just hope the need never does again. |
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I havent had one for years but a long cattle prod is a damned handy thing to have around. My brothers and I used to sword fight with them..LOL I know they will drop you to your knees.
There are a lot of devices on the market today even handier. |
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i no only cook i also master of Baxian (Eight-Immortals), sword. cook long time maybe sweet and sour pitbull on bed of rice with green peppers? chop chop light the stove |
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Great info GARD, thanks for sharing.
I've had to break up a couple fights and found that choaking off works the best...although grabbing a male by the nuts and squeezing hard has also worked.
Unfortunately when my bitch fights she fights like a Pit, she locks on and doesn't let go until choked off.
Wanted to share how NOT to break up a fight:
My Dad moved in with me between selling his old house and buying a new one and brought with him "Pom-a-poo" (eye roll). The one day I wasn't home and his little Mutt growled at my bitch over something. She snached him up and my dad freaked out. He tells me he GRABBED THE LITTLE DOG AND PULLED. As you can imagine she tore the mutt up pretty good, leaving him with stiches, staples and tubes...she nearly killed him.
I could not fathom why the hell he'd grab a hold of the little dog.... the victim.... and pulled!!!!???? All I can picture is a horrible tug of war.
If you are by yourself and only one dog is the aggressor, always grab THAT ONE and do what you need to do. In my experience the victim runs the hell away once he/she is free.
Oddly enough, everytime I've breaken up a fight and ended up with injury it was from the victim, completely unintentional and totally my fault for getting near it's mouth. |
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Now that is a funny name singaporesam.......but on a serious note it was a good thing that you were around GARD never know when someone would have actually decided to help her. |
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I haven't had any fights among my OWN dogs, I generally stay pretty on top of them. I get some posturing between my two 2-3 year old males at times but they're never near each other unsupervised and pretty good about listening. I HAVE worked with several clients with dogs that fight each other, and seen my share of dog fights.
Good that everybody remained calm, I've seen people panic over what would have just been an argument, that then turns into a fight. THere is definitely a difference between an argument and a fight, not quite sure how to explain it. Arguments to me seem a lot more "show". There's noise and maybe even hair flying but no real damage being done. It's when the noise changes that I grow more worried.
I used to always tell people to grab back legs/or back leg and tail and swing out on the aggressor. The last client I recommended doing that pulled on the leg and tail when her female attacked her male and she ended up with a dog with a broken leg and an animal hospital bill. I now don't tell people how to do it particularly. SHe never blamed me, but I don't risk it. I have used pepper spray type sprays before and on a medium intensity it can help, OR it can tick a dog off and make them more intense. Same with Direct stop citronella spray. Only stops the dogs that weren't sure they wanted to be at it in the first place. Break stick would have been nice:-) have used a hose and even thrown dogs in a pool before. Have used a blanket as well to get over one of the dogs so they can't see so well, it gives you at least a second or two of confusion to get them apart, and helps protect you. Of course, not everyone carries a blanket around. I've used physical barriers before, managed to get one on one side of a fence or door and close between them. And have choked out. I think you just do what it takes and try to avoid getting yourself injured or making the situation worse. There's no "one way" that does it perfectly.
One thing I TRY to get into my head is once getting a hold of the attacker and pulling off, try good and quick to emergency muzzle (particularly if I have a leash in my hand). May make it worse if the other comes at them, but prevents further injury or injury to handler and gives a better chance to get the other dog off without injury. IF there's time and inclination.
Good on you for helping that young lady. She must have been panicked and nobody was coming to aid. I'd be a bit wary with the breed and the propensity for the fighting, but wouldn't have been able to resist jumping in to help out either...definitely good on you!
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Unfortunately, with this last litter, I've had to break up a few fights. And it was always the rest against the same victim. This poor litter girl had several trips to the ER! :( The worst was 5 littermates on one. Took 8 staples in her head and ears (now she looks like yoda)!
I was always taught the grabbing of the hind legs with just enough tension to keep them from "getting deeper into each other". I was told that forceful pulling only made them want to fight harder. With the worst fight, I actually grabbed the most aggressive and choked her out to have her let go of her sister and it worked great. Since it was just me and my daughter against the six of them, we couldn't really do the hind leg thing, Once we got the most aggressive off, we simply took one in each hand by the collars and choked them out until they let go. It was entirely my fault, and I know why it happened.
I agree that the most important thing is to stay calm. |
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If the litter all go for the same mate at once there is something they know that you dont.
JMO |
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