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A question relating to diet. (15 replies)
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Hi everyone i give my 11 month old bitch a home cooked meal. She just HATES kibbles. The only kibbles i get in my country are royal canin and purina products. She hates puppy chow and she hates royal canin. She starved herself for 4 days, so i had give her something else. I now give her cooked meat with carrots, potateos, rice and bread. I also add an egg every alternate day.The thing that is bothering is that puppies on puppy chow or puppy food grow quickly because of the high content of protein. Will my bitch's height get affected if i dont give her puppy food? What should i supplement her diet with? Her is picture of her 11 months. THis picture will help you determine her size..jpg) |
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Boy, she looks very nice and proper size ..looks like you are doing good...make sure she gets organ meats some raw liver and raw chicken necks and bones would help and add some fish oil or caps or salmon oil ....sounds like your doing good.....cottage cheese every now and then and yogurt for treats is nice...we eat ice cream treat your dog with yogurt....gives the extra calcium...raw bones and meats give natural vitamin C.... |
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I think she looks very good, maybe even big for her age. Pretty girl. Your doing just fine IMO. IF possible for you and where you live the extras Yellowrose mentioned would be very good to add to her diet also. |
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I do home cooked dog food for my GSD and he thrives on it. The Nutrionist at the U formulated it for me. Your GSD is beautiful - but you should supplement with Balance It. The only vit. supplement on the market for home cooked food. Go to Balanceit.com and check it out. |
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You might want to ask Dr.Sean Delany of Balance it .com to help formulate the PROPERLY balanced diet(meaning the salts,calcium -phos,oils etc).Actually,they will give you the first one free.Just use the same protein and other things you use anyway.They will just adjust the amounts of rice,meat etc.They have a vit-min supp as the above poster mentioned called balanceit that even has the triptophin sp?amino acid which is the one that may be lacking.Good luck and i respect that you take the time to cook for your dog. |
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Please understand that dogs are carnivores - not herbivores, not omnivores - MEAT, that's what they are built for. With the meat comes bone and offal.
The two easiest means of proving this true can be found in one place: Look in their mouths. See any flat teeth? Ever seen a dog chew side-to-side? I'm certain the answer to both questions is No. The teeth are sharp and the jaw moves only up and down in a scissor motion. This motion, with the shape of the teeth, allows the dog to rip, tear, chomp flesh so it can be swallowed as big and as whole as possible. Bones are simply crushed to a point they can be swallowed. They're not chewed for easy digestion.
Dogs do not chew as a part of digestion; therefore, they do not process vegetables, fruits and grains the way humans do. Physiologically their bodies have to work harder to digest these inappropriate foods. They have short guts. Needed foods are digested fully (MEAT/BONE/ORGAN) - unneeded foods make it through the gut unchanged. Honestly. Feed a dog a baby carrot. For a medium sized or larger dog, I bet it comes out pretty much the way it went in. That means it offers no significance to the nutritional needs.
People that offer to build any diet other than a species-approprate, prey-model diet are out for something. Simple question: If the diet offered everything it is supposed to, why do these diet experts want you to buy their supplements? Easy answer: The free diet preparation is a way to bait you into buying their supplements while providing an inferior diet.
Cooked foods. Why? What animal would ever have the smarts or desire to cook a meal? Cooked foods, balanced meals and processed foods are all human inventions and dogs have no reason eating these. Cooking removes virtually all of the nutritional value from the meat. Balancing meals with grains, veggies and fruits is a result of the food pyramid used for humans. It's a human desire to be balanced. But, we can balance a dogs diet by giving it a variety of raw meats, bone and organs.
Summed up: Feed your dogs a raw, species-appropriate, prey-model diet. Add no supplements, other than perhaps salmon oil or fish body oil (both can be found in capsule form and drained onto food). Your dogs will thank you.
AristianM, I've not forgotten about your original questions and concerns:
- "She just HATES kibbles." Smart girl! Who would want their daily food intake to be cooked beyond belief, chemicals added, dried and manufactured into chunks? That sounds YUMMY! How much should I pay for that?
- "I now give her cooked meat with carrots, potateos, rice and bread." Sounds like a yummy sandwich, but I'd need some mustard. Nix everything but the meat, but don't cook it.
- "I also add an egg every alternate day." Now that's what I'm talking about. Run some water over it to clean it and give it to her whole. See if she eats shell and all! If she doesn't like the shell, just break the egg over the food. Bet she'll lap up the egg first (fastest acting nutrients) and then eat the rest.
-"...puppies on puppy chow or puppy food grow quickly because of the high content of protein." Again, a product of human concept. Puppies don't need a specific puppy food - they need food that will allow them to grow normally and naturally. Humans eat baby food. This is a product made to simplify our lives, but is not a requirement. Puppy food, breed specific food, or other speicalized food is not needed.
- "Will my bitch's height get affected if i dont give her puppy food?" See previous. Feed her what her body ne |
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Thanks everyone, this was very helpful of you guys! The only reason why i do not give my bitch raw food is because my vet told me not to. He said that there is a lot of bacteria in raw meat. |
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Artisan
You are very right be very careful about Raw meat here are my learning from feeding pure raw meat especially in other countries
1)Pure meat is very High in Calcium and hence leads to phosphorus imbalance. So be very careful about feeding pure raw meat
2) Secondly Raw meat in certain countries is not even consummable by animals leave alone humans. The slaughter houses in certain places are worse than dumpyards. So they are infested with all kinds of diseases
So be very careful. You have to take all the suggestions and advice on this message board with a pinch of salt and your own common sense and local conditions into conderation.
cheers
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Although I'm always for "Good Quality Kibble" my experience is that in hot and humid weather conditions the dog tends to avoid Kibble food since it soaks up the water in the guts and makes the dog dry inside.
Give your dog pro-biotic Yogurt and if you want to give meats give packaged very good quality frozen meats thawed in luke warm water. Supplement with some good home made vegetable stews and balanced with some good supplements.
You can also give raw eggs with shells if your dog likes them. also Cheese slices etc etc
Talk to a good vet who has a sound knowledge on nutrition according to your local weather /climatic conditions
cheers
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I agree mostly with GunnarGSD. Raw meat is the way to go This conclusion has not come easy to me a year ago I was aghast at feeding raw but over the course of a year slowly I now feed about 95% raw meat.
Again to repeat dogs are carnivors they thrive on raw meat not kibble. One excepion to the rule is the supplement Canine Complete if you are worried that your dog isn't getting a full and balanced diet this is the way to go all human grade organic componets www.thewholisticpet.com. The plant is rigfht here in New Hampshire it is a true state of the art plant. I only wish I could find a human food made like this. Read the customer feedback section. Raw meat and Canine Complete in my opinion the best way to go. |
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AristianM - vets get 8 - 12 hours of nutrition education during vet school, which is typically presented by a dog food manufacturer. With this it's easy to see why vets are biased about feeding manufactured dog food. In addition, by feeding kibble, there is a chance you'll buy it from your vet, so feeding raw is a loss of income for the vet. With raw your dog will also not have to have its teeth cleaned. There's no need to sedate the dog or to knock the dog out, which can be dangerous. More losses of revenue for the vet. The dog will become healthier requiring less visits to the vet. Yet another loss of revenue. Vets want money. Feeding inferior food lends itself to a host of reasons why your dog will have to go back to the vet increasing his/her income.
Please gain more insight into proper feeding versus not feed appropriately because your vet said not to. Vets have opinions. Their opinions are biased towards what's best for them not always what's best for the animals.
Vikram - bone has the calcium, which is why it comprises only 10% of the animals intake. The majority (80%) of the food should be meat. With these percentages the calcium:phosphorous ratio is kept intact. This is a non-issue when the dogs are fed properly.
Lets see: Dogs eat feces - their own and that of other animals, they bury food for weeks at a time, they can eat out of human dumpsters and all the while they manage to be unaffected by the spoils of contamination. Why would they not be able to manage fresh, whole food?
A dogs digestive system is short, so it is fast acting. It digests meat/bone/organ and quickly expels the rest. Ever seen the poo of a raw fed dog? It's small, nearly odorless and varies in consistency reflecting what has been eaten. Ever seen the poo of a kibble fed dog? It's high in volume, smelly and contains the fillers used to manufacture the food. I've not seen one of my raw fed dogs eat its or another raw fed dogs poo. I've seen plenty of my previous kibble fed dogs eat their own and others poo. Why? The fillers. The dog expels what it can't use. So basically what went in the mouth came out the rear and only changed by adding moisture. Plainly said - bacteria does not sit in the gut long enough to be a problem. In fact, subpar meats are used in kibble and are more likely to contain problematic bacteria than fresh, whole meats.
I will agree that users beware when evaluating advise on boards such as this. For more information head on to http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/. This group has nearly 11,000 members and most all feed raw and have very few if any problems.
I've never seen the German Shepherd Cheese and Yogurt factory, so I would avoid the use of those species-inapproriate food items. Use cheese as a treat, in small pieces, but not as part of a meal. Probiotics, the aim of adding yogurt to a diet, can be used especially after a dosing of antibiotics. Simply buy capsules and dump the capsules on the dogs food.
The primary reason to use probiotics is that antibiotics kill the good flora along with the bad flora, so the probiotics can help replenish the flora. Otherwise, probiotics and other supplements are not needed. A case for lactose intolerence can also be made as a reason to not feed yogurt or other like foods.
Dave
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You know GunnarGSD your absolutely right! I buy kibbles from my vet. He gives me purina puppy chow which i just found out it is CRAP! He makes good money. My vet is the one who cleans her teeth, more money coming in! My bitch suffers from all kinds of health problem because of eating purina puppy crap! Money coming in AGAIN. I have already stopped giving her kibbles! I am giving her cooked meat with organ meat and vegtables. I shall now try the raw diet! |
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GunnarGSD Very, very good posts!
aristianM Good for you! For some reason I thought I read you didn't feed the meat raw because of the country you are in. Raw is the way to go. I do ad some veggies and grains occasionally but not much. You will be amazed at how well your dog will look and feel. Your vet visits will also be far and few in between.
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Thanks Trailrider!
And to be fair - I eat ice cream occasionally - I don't live on it. Feeding veggies or grains occasionally will cause no real harm. Providing those items as a daily staple, not good. How would we look/feel/act if ice cream was a staple. :o) - though some would enjoy that.
AristianM - please do not jump into the raw diet and expect miracles in a day or two. This is a full change of lifestyle for the animal. While it is easy - there is much to be understood. I urge you to join that yahoo group I mentioned previously. Read the archives, read about progression, what foods to start with, what to expect, how to evaluate poo, etc. Knowing these items is as important as feeding the appropriate diet.
Feel free to message me if you have questions about the diet.
Dave
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Not much to add but a quick testimonial..
My 12 year old dogs health had been deteriorating with arthritis, allergies/sensitivities, and bad teeth. Between 5 and 7 we switched to a completely raw diet for him and he's in better shape now at 12 than he was at 7. His teeth are clean, his weight is nice and slim, and his allergies have cleared up. I am certain that switching to raw when we did added years to his life. His arthritis is still there, but stabilized.
My 16 mos gsd girlie has been my first raw-only raised dog and I am loving the results. She is sleek, shiny, healthy, bright and active, and no health issues.
Heather
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ok, I just love reading the posts on food. I'm kicking around the idea of raw or partial raw. Tell me about raw beef liver, how much at a time,when just starting this, and what do i expect after the feeding? A blow out, runny poop? Is just adding a portion of raw to the kibble at first to get them used to it a better idea? And raw chicken, like a leg and thigh added into her kibble. bones and all? Can you tell lol that lucy is my first gsd? I really want to do whats best for her, but i do have to admit that she is healthy, coat looks great, alot of energy, an all around happy girl. I have given her just tiny bites once in a while of raw beef liver, and she seems to really like it, but i've never given her any raw chicken, and it kind of worries me about the chicken bone thing,,,,,
thanks
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