German Shepherd dog

Good luck!  If you find one, make sure you get the DNA results proving it is from Olex!

Anyone is welcome to DNA any of Eagle's offspring.  No problem.  Has anyone DNA's the supposed Olex offspring?  Bet not.

molly

Well, let's see.  You just had a litter out of an Olex son.  Better DNA those pups, Molly.  I bet they're not really out of an Olex son since you don't seem to think there ARE any Olex sons! 

Diane

Olex is or was a great dog and produces some really nice dogs from what i have seen.he was or is Nick's greatest sons and it is a shame that he was sold at a age when he should have been taken good care of by those who used him most of his life.instead he was sold to States and now no one can find him.It is a real shame.

absolutely - looking forward to those DNA results Diane.  Perhaps yours was his last litter - where are all the Olex puppies in this country - he's been here several years now.  By the way, I never bred to Olex, so no, I didn't get any progeny, because I didn't try to.   Never even inquired about breeding to him.  If he had been producing puppies, I may have been interested.

molly

I never inquired about Olex for any of  my females, so was never "turned down".  I did inquire on this board "where are the Olex puppies" and found good reason not to sink the $1000 stud fee into a dog that wasn't producing any puppies :)

I do hope that your litter is indeed sired by Olex - if so they are the only Olex puppies sired in this country - that would be very exciting if true.  the dog would have been an excellent addition to the bloodlines in this country, had he produced anything while he was here.  I'd like proof that he has - as I've said many times!  So far no proof has come.  And no puppies out of how many females bred to him?  Except for yours, of course.  Will you be breeding your female back to Olex again?

molly

Your breedings are interesting only because Olex has been bred so many times, to so many females, since he came into this country - and yet your one female was the only one to have ANY puppies sired by him.  That is indeed interesting.  The response to this person interested in finding an Olex puppy is therefore as I said "Good luck" - won't happen.  And if it did happen, make sure to get those pups DNA tested to make sure someone isn't trying to scam you.  Taking a stud fee of $1000 and having NO puppies, and not refunding the stud fee (not from me, I never attempted to breed to Olex) is called FRAUD.    I hope the owner IS ignoring people who inquire about  using Olex, if the dog isn't producing litters.  That would be the honest thing to do.

I do hope your puppies are from Olex, and hope they are as wonderful as they should be sired by him.  If I were you, knowing my female was the ONLY one in the WORLD in several YEARS of breeding Olex to MANY females, I would also want the puppies DNA tested.  And the same if I were interested in buying one.  It's only logical.

molly

I have an Olex daughter but she was imported. She just had a litter and they are beautiful, very intelligent and all are excellent working prospects.

Excuse me, but I will respond by saying that yes MANY females have been bred to Olex, ALL except Diane's have been empty - and some paid stud fees that were not refunded.  As for myself, I inquired about the availability of Olex (where was he located, what was his stud fee, requirements of the female, when his last litter was sired/on the ground), did not receive a return message, that was that.  That is not quite the same as asking about using him (which I didn't) or attempting to arrange a breeding (which I didn't).  I DID ask around about 'where are the litters sired by Olex" and got my answer - there were none since he arrived in the US several YEARS ago.  That is FACT, and the reason I didn't pursue using him at all, not because I was "rejected" by the owner LOL.  Not "bashing" or slander - fact.  Unless you can come up with ANY puppies other than your 4 puppies, that were sired by Olex Diane?  And why are you not counting the MANY females bred to him while Wayne Curry owned him?  ALL of which did not produce? 

Anyway, there are no Olex puppies other than Diane's from Olex in this country.  Only older progeny from before he was imported "nearly sterile".  And I'd still require proof of parentage from those before accepting that they were actually sired by Olex himself.  Or maybe the owner had some frozen semen to use? 

There is nothign wrong with asking questions, finding out the answers for yourself.  My questions about Olex were answered - females bred + no puppies = he's no longer producing.  Proof that I'm wrong would be welcome, as I wish he were producing in this country, he would be an asset to anyone's breeding program if he were.

molly

Sorry, Molly, but I will not excuse you.  You are wrong yet again and there's really no excuse whatsoever for what you're trying to do here. 

That said, as I previously stated, there were 2 breedings besides my females SINCE OLEX HAS BEEN IN KY.  I have no idea what Wayne did or didn't do, who he owes stud fees to, or anything else to do with Wayne Curry.  I paid stud fees and got puppies.  I'm happy.  The other 2 breeders (who are both friends of mine) either paid no stud fee to begin with or are free to use Olex or an Olex straw (collected since Olex has been in KY) as they choose.  They aren't complaining and YOU have nothing to complain about since you have not and will not ever use Olex, so what is this really all about? 

We do agree on one thing, though!  Olex is an outstanding dog and an asset to any breeding program.  I fully agree with you there.  I'm sure the only reason you say that is because you bought Laika bred to an Olex son and have to sell those puppies!  How much planning did you put into that litter, Molly?  Do you know anything at all about the stud dog?

Regards,

Diane

Molly, there must be a full moon today because the board is certainly full of catfights!   I don't wish to get to that level and have no personal issues with you at all, other than having you call my breedings into question (and I definitely take offense to that).  My litters are AKC registered and you are basically slandering me (I'm using that term loosely, not in a legal sense) by implying that I falsified my litter registrations with Olex as the sire, since you claim he is infertile.  I guess that's one of the reasons we have DNA testing available and once the results are back, you will be proven wrong.  There's not much more I can do before that other than argue back and forth.  I prefer to use good solid science to prove you wrong and as I said before, I will post the DNA results right here on this thread for all to see as soon as I get them.  I have no doubts who sired my litters, but I also have no problem backing my words with proof.  Fact is easily proven, and that's exactly what will happen when the DNA results are  posted.  If you really enjoy arguing about it, I'll play your game but I would hope we both have better things to do with our time!

One other thing.  Molly, you say you have friends who used Olex and are owed stud fees.  If those people used Olex when Wayne had him, that has nothing to do with me or Olex's production since leaving Wayne's.  I know nobody has paid a stud fee other than the 4 breedings I've already mentioned since Olex has been in KY, and none of those people are friends of yours.  (There may be current breedings not yet confirmed, but those wouldn't be included in your comments since the owners don't yet know if their females are pregnant).  Please clarify you are talking about breedings that took place when Wayne had him, if that's the case.  If you claim to know people who used Olex while in KY, have them post their cancelled checks or I don't believe they exist!  You ask for proof, so you should be prepared to provide it as well.

Regards,

Diane

Sure thing.  I will apologize right now - I am very sorry, my original post was not intended to include your litters.  It was intended to be a simple "heads up" and "good luck finding an Olex puppy" message.  Because - 4 puppies in 3+ years from more than a few females - there are no puppies being produced for "whatever" reason.  And as I said before - what a shame, Olex should be producing in this country, he would be an asset to the breed and to any breeding program.  Diane, you are very lucky to have Olex puppies, I would keep them all if I were you.  I would also get them DNA tested anyway, just so people like me don't question when the stats are known to not be in favor of Olex siring litters in the last few years.  If I were interested in one of your puppies, I would pay for the test myself.  And as I also already said, I hope they do prove Olex to be the sire!  I hope your Olex puppies turn out fantastic and make you proud.

molly

Well, Tia, it sounds as if you're SOL unless you can persuade Diane to sell one of her Olex pups.  (I wouldn't hold my breath on that).   It sounds like the ol' man is shooting blanks more often than not, so perhaps you could find some grandsons or granddaughters if you're set on getting his blood.

Good luck and happy hunting!

Yvette

I was told Olex is owned by some guy named Jonathan Richard; i inquired about the same topic some time ago, and the lady above, Seaman, emailed me for him.

i never got proof, just a bunch of pretty scary emails from breeders in the u.s. and elsewhere advising me to stay away from olex and his owner; thought the whole thing sounded weird; for whatever reason not too many people are fond of the guy; from "d-bag to scammer, to drunk.".. you name it; never heard anything about the guy; these are people that usually post on the website and have reputable kennels in the u.s.; also major dog importers...

Richards wrote me directly briefly but did not make a lot of sense.  The whole thing about that dog i concluded is a bunch of crap gossip. It is unfortunate that he can't produce anymore but may be serving just to inflate someone's ego.

like many others i see what olex has produced elsewhere - germany and the czech rep. and i was interested in one of his progeny; hence my logical interest,

n.

Bicolour,
posts from anonymous posters are absolutely worthless! You clearly have no facts to contribute. Wayne did not have Olex for a year for starters. And why should a post about Olex be about me? Please post these supposed court dates so that we can all go and watch, somewhere else.

Nikos,
again, I asked for facts, something tangible. Not more of this heresay. When people have what others want it breeds contempt. And all I see here is a lot of that and little else. Your comment is mostly based on other people's ill will and something you were confused about. Again, no real facts.

Nikos, no one is asking you to post names of people who have little to contribute here now and before. But again, you are posting speculations. I do wonder about the though processes that would take you from Diane having pups to Diane having breeding rights or any other rights to Olex. Diane speaking up is simply an act of loyalty to someone who apparently must be very deserving of it, or else I doubt she would have bothered.  

DH, get your hackles down and calm down.  My statement was a logical conclusion based on Diane's statements.  I've never said that Olex isn't a fine dog - no one is even debating that. 

Since you appear to have a short attention span, let me recapitulate...

Diane (who I presume to be either his agent or who is an acquaintance of the agent) said... "Olex is getting old now and sometimes he produces and sometimes he doesn't."  Two breedings, four puppies - that's not what I call good odds.  Furthermore, she says Olex has had only 2 other breedings since living in Kentucy.  One could assume that Olex's owner/agent has decided to adopt a "no outside breedings" policy, but then where are the puppies?  There appears to be no evidence that he is being used for an in-house breeding machine.  This database has over 200 Olex progeny listed, but I have not found any recently born.

Therefore, in light of these facts and above statements, it did not seem likely at all that "Tia" would succeed in getting an Olex puppy, except if Diane would sell one of hers, hence my comment.

This is not some case of unjustified Olex-bashing.  He's getting old and his productivity is dropping.  As Diane had stated, this is not unusual and those seeking breedings to Olex do so at their risk, so to speak, and have chosen to wager whatever stud fee is charged against the possibility of getting puppies. 

Now take a deep breath and settle down.  Many a good dog has aged and lost their potency.  I don't understand why you feel the need to make this case in particular into a crisis.  His blood will live on in his many sons and daughters, grandsons and granddaughters.  Some of them are doing quite well, in fact.  "Tia" still has many options.

Yvette

So who owns Olex?  The reason for the whole post..LOL.  I had also been trying to find a nice Olex pup/young adult, but didn't get anywhere when trying to find out where he was.  So I gave up.  He has produced some AWESOME dogs! 

Old guy walks into a drugstore and says to the druggist "Could you fill my Viagra prescription and cut them in quarters for me." The druggist replys that quaters wont work. The old guy says "Listen, I am 98 years old and I just want enough so I do not pee on my slippers."  Hope this puts a smile to the mating thread for a change of pace.

ROTFLMAO Chris that is just too much!

OK, it's just not funny anymore.

Alli, if you're interested in an Olex puppy, you ought to get hold of Diane... provided you can persuade her to sell one of hers.  I hope you're not holding your breath for a chip off the ol' block, however, as I doubt they're up for sale at all.

From the tidbits in this thread, Olex is apparently somewhere in blue grass hills of Kentucy, posing for pictures with a fellow named Jonathan Richards (see Olex's photo galleries), who does not seem to be laying out the "welcome" mat, at least not for the unwashed masses.  LOL.  Hopefully Olex is stretched out under the sun sipping a mint julep and enjoying a leisurely retirement. 

On the other hand, he has many sons and daughters, sired in his spry youth, and some of these dogs are producing litters and thus carrying on the ol' man's blood.  In fact, two posters on this thread alone have mentioned having litters, one from an Olex son, and another from a daughter.

Happy hunting!

I've never been able to find one Karmen.

He has a very nice website that he designed himself.  If he wants any of you to have it, I'm sure he'll give it to you privately, but he's never actively sought outside breedings for Olex and that's why he's not publishing it all over the net. 

The rest of you aren't worth wasting time with, IMO, and he probably feels the same way by now.  What you people don't seem to understand is that he doesn't have to tell any of us (me included) anything at all about HIS DOG OLEX.  He's been very nice to share ANY info with us, but none of you appreciate it.  Nothing is ever good enough for you and you keep coming back with negative comments and accusations no matter how hard people have tried to provide information for you.  Wayne didn't give anybody ANY info.  Jonathan has since made Olex's life an open book, but nobody appreciates it.

You (people in general) started long ago with questioning Olex's fertility and he answered those questions by fully testing Olex and posting the results.  HE DIDN'T HAVE TO DO THAT.  He wasn't asking anyone to use Olex at stud, PEOPLE WERE ASKING HIM and he was kind enough to give people the info.  But of course, that wasn't good enough for you, you wanted to see live puppies.  I then did a breeding and posted the results (I DIDN'T HAVE TO DO THAT), but again not good enough for you people.  Now you wanted more than one litter and more than one live puppy.  I did a second breeding (thank you, Jonathan) and had 3 more puppies and shared that info (DIDN'T HAVE TO DO THAT EITHER).   AGAIN, not good enough for you people.  Now you want the pups DNA'd and I'm sure that won't be good enough for you either.  Well, guess what?  You weren't ENTITLED to ANY of this information in the first place!.  Info was given in an effort to be NICE and to be HELPFUL. There is FAR MORE information about Olex readily available, again thanks to Jonathan, than for any other stud dog I know of.  How many of you have posted such detail about your stud dogs?  NONE OF YOU, that's how many.  Instead of saying "thank you" for providing the info, you all come back with more demands and you have no right to demand ANYTHING in the first place.  Just a simple thank you would have gone a very long way, but not one of you has the decency or good manners to say it.  If there are any youngsters reading these posts, please learn this lesson.  Kindness and decency will always get you much further in life than negativity.  It appears most of the adults on this forum never learned that and their behavior is shameful.

 I'm not going out of my way to provide any more info for any of you publicly.  Decent people know how to reach me and I'm happy to talk with any you.  If Jonathan wants to communicate with the rest of you (and I have no idea why he would at this point) he can do it himself.  If I were him, I'd ignore all of you save the very few who have shown some decency and class.  Most of you will need to look those words up in the dictionary, as it's painfully obvious you have no idea what they mean.

One more thing I'm going to say here and I want this to be VERY CLEAR.  If you paid a stud fee for Olex, POST YOUR CANCELLED CHECK or other proof, or stop making things up.  Jonathan never asked anyone to use Olex, never advertised him at stud all over the internet as many of you with FAR less accomplished stud dogs have done, and you should all be very very ashamed of your behavior in this entire matter.  It's disgraceful conduct from people who are supposed to be adults.

Regards,

Diane Seaman

Well now I'm confused.  Diane, it is difficult not to notice the inconsistent messages.

In this thread you post...

"he's never actively sought outside breedings for Olex and that's why he's not publishing it all over the net. "

But in another thread...

"Olex is standing at stud to approved females and the correct contact info (not what Lorenzo posted) can be found on his page on this database:"

In this thread....

"Jonathan never asked anyone to use Olex, never advertised him at stud all over the internet "

Perhaps not "all over the internet" but he was listed standing at stud on this site in the "stud dog" ads.

Clearly you are under no obligation to respond to this post, or any other for that matter, and I understand if you choose to ignore it.  However, the tone of your last post was so self-righteous it caught my eye and it's not difficult to see the inconsistencies.  Perhaps you meant to say, "Olex is not currently standing at stud" or that "JR is not currently advertising".  Surely that is what you intended to say, right?  From the emotional tone of your last post, I guess that you were so wound up that you perhaps blurted out "never" unintentionally.  If so, there's no shame in that - I've been known to stick my foot in my mouth more than once myself.  LOL.  Just thought you might want to clarify what you intended to say.

No, Yvette, you're the one who is mistaken. I meant exactly what I said.  People kept asking Jonathan to use Olex, people kept asking for contact info, people kept asking how to reach him, so he RESPONDED by providing info as to whether Olex was available and under what conditions.   He didn't take out a full page ad in USA magazine, he hasn't posted every time somebody asks about stud dogs, he has only RESPONDED to people's inquiries here, which is perfectly in keeping with what I said before.  You're so busy trying to find fault with something I've said you can't interpret what you read very well.

I'm not riled up at all, by the way.   I'm just not as patient with all this as I've been in the past.  I realize I see things clearly because Jonathan and Olex live near me and it may be more difficult for others to see what is obvious to me.   I don't believe you mean any harm in your posts, but you really are incorrect Yvette, so do us all a favor and give it a rest.  If I look at the intent in your post, I think you're just trying to stir more debate and there's nothing good to come of it.

Diane Seaman

Diane is right and what she has posted is on target. Johnathan hasn't placed any adds at all, only responded when repeatedly asked about Olex. He even posted candid pictures of he and Olex at home hanging out. It's easy to see Olex is basicly living a normal life for a dog, as should be in his senior years. I had to settle for a Olex grand daughter, not a daughter but oh well, such is life. Olex and his owner don't owe anybody anything. Olex's sperm are not public property and some peope have been very rude about the whole deal. Obviosly Johnathan isn't into the public speaking thing or pimping his dog, why such negative remarks and rumors? As far as I'm concerned the guy takes good care of his dog and that is all he is obligated to do rightfully.

Thank you very much, 4pack, MI GSD and Drew.  You see, I do know how to say "thank you" and sincerely mean it.

Best to you,

Diane Seaman

I have tried not to post here but Diane is one of the nicest people I know in the sport/breeding business. Always helpful, honest  and gracious to anyone needing information and help with anything. A person who never talks about anyone or their dogs. I have went thru similar incidents with nasty rumors from rival kennels about Zidane and this is one of the reasons I do not nor care to use him for outside stud.  Olex is in my opinion one of the all time great legends that has  ever come across the pond and like many great dogs who come here are always treated this way  with rumors unfounded.  Marlene

Most of you obviously don't know Diane . . . she is one of the most reasonable, level-headed, honest, humble, and intelligent people in this sport. 

Molly, you were simply out of line to write what you did.  Diane didn't deserve your tone or insinuations.

Yvette . . . I can't tell you how may people, who don't even know of my dislike for you, have independently told me how sick they've grown of your unremitting blab and perpetual know-it-all attitude.  Writing things like, "the tone of your last post was so self-righteous it caught my eye"  show what you really are . . .rude and inconsiderate.  There was nothing self-righteous in anything Diane wrote . . . maybe if you took the time to actually get to know some of these people, you would't look like such a fool.  Diane has more integrity and character in her little finger than you'll ever hope to have.

Jim Alloway

Mid-Ohio Schutzhund

Diane,

I truly hope that you did not take my comments as anything negetive towards you.  That was NOT my intension what so ever.  I just re-read my post, and I guess I should of worded it like this....

"is it typical for people who own the "dog to beat all dogs" to handle thier stud fees this way"?  I am not simply asking about Olex or JR - but top dog owners everywhere?  The majority that I have come across atleast offer a repeat breeding.  And for all I know, JR might do that.

It was never my intension to say anything negetive about you, JR, or Olex!! :)

JIM -

I still have those pics of the SchH trail we attended of your dog that I said I was going to send to you.  But don't have your email info. or web page on this computer.  Could you please email me privately @ ladywolf45169@yahoo.com.  The pics came out just beautiful! :)

Christine

Here's another Olex son in the U.S . Training with this dog, I realized what most people say about Olex's progenies,this dog is like high on Crack 24/7.LOL It's too much.

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/377478.html

[IMG]http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/gripman/Jacko002.jpg[/IMG]

Tia

If you are interested in the Olex type, I have made a breeding that is due in early April with my Olex son Ghost von der Staatsmacht and Festa van de Ronden Hoek.  I made the decision to breed Ghost with only his BH for several reasons. First of all he will be titled this season, hopefully through Sch 3 and believe me when I tell you that this dog is breedworthy even though he doesn't have a Sch title yet.  Justin Pendel Bach is in my kennel and was the intended stud but he has come up sterile and my previous breeding male Cinto von der Schwarzen Eule died last fall from torsion so I was left without a stud dog unless I wanted to ship a female. (not)  At any rate, the female that I have bred Ghost to is a proven producer of high level dogs both through Jabina Fjolle and Cinto.  This breeding with be linebred Yoschy and Fado and should really have some power.  Since Ghost doesn't have a title yet I will let puppies go to working homes very reasonably priced. 

Mike

Alte Baum Kennel

http://www.vomhausjuros.com/

Here is another kennel having pups coming up   linebred  2-3 on Olex ....I didnot look at the pedigree or even go further into the site ,,yet...I am pushed for time so here it is  ..check it out....

IPHIS:     I wondered the same when Victor vom Ausland show a HD excellent hips rating and when OFA was checked , this dog has none.....and he was bred last year and has a litter on the ground....I wonder if the person who bred to him knows he is not cetified......Noticed a comment on board , from Kamstaftd that it was a mistake....and prelims had been done...In January of this year there were no prelims when the dog was advertised for sale....Tried to make everyone think , the hips done by the vet were good and people ought to accept that as gospel....

Now there is a new   entry and the SchH1 has been taken off   He doesnt have that either. and it is on the database in parenthesis.....Same person has done these issues with this dog....cant find out any more info as  the hip remains in question .....Wonder what the hips turned out ..The Feb posting ought to have been return by ofa by now....so many dogs on database with wrong hip info ,,,This is the third dog in two months I have looked at and found to be so..

..http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/user_comments/469217.html     Victor vom Ausland       someone must have bought him  as his ad is gone...

LOL - keep trying, my dogs' and my record speaks for themselves.  What is your name and what is your/your dogs' records?

LOL -

molly

so what about your dogs' records?  Nothing, huh.  LOL - whatever you want.  My stud's records are out there, he has LOTS of offspring working and doing very well.  Some will be titled.  But good homes are my first priority, not working-only homes.  Good homes where they are worked, are great.  Hard to find, though.  So, good homes are where they go.  If they are worked, super.  If not, that's ok too.  Most are worked in some capacity, enough that I can see Eagle is producing EXCELLENT in every way.  His pups are "The total package".  Smart people realize what he has to offer and may choose to breed to him if they like his pedigree - or not.  I don't care if he's chosen to breed to or not.  Does not matter to me.  So, keep on poking, you are not bothering me at all.  Cheers!  Off to train my Eagle daughter and Eagle son now!

molly

LET'S NO HIJACK ANOTHER THREAD AND TURN IT INTO A MOLLY BASHIING FORUM!

lawwoman   : go play SOMETHWERE ELSE AND CUT OUT THE BASH MOLLY .......DO YOU HAVE A SILVER, BRASS OR A GOLD TROPHY UNDER YOU BELT OR ON YOUR LIST OF ACHIEVEMENTS WITH SCHUTZ USA;;NO YOU DONT......BUT MOLLY DOES AND LOTS MORE TO COUNT....GO PLAY IN THE TRAFFIC LIKE A 6 YEAR OLD AND LEAVE HER TO HER DOGS....

That is why my observations are confirrmed. Even Molly the great can not title a Eagle pup. It is not hard to title a dog if the dog has the drives and desire to do the work.