German Shepherd dog

30 world class competitors will come from as far as Asia and Europe, as well as from throughout the United States to participate and showcase the tremendous abilities and athleticism possessed by this most noble of breeds. This historical event will take place June 6 through 8, 2008 in New Egypt, New Jersey USA and each phase will be judged in an Olympic- style manner by three judges.

A $10,000 Cash Prize will be awarded to the winner.

In addition to the Schutzhund competition, working k9 in law enforcement, search and rescue dogs and therapy dogs will demonstrate the total versatile German Shepherd.

We truly believe that this celebration of the German Shepherd dog will foster community relations, awareness and a greater cognizance of man's best friend. In addition, we hope that this will be the first if a continuing event and that in ensuing years, other nations will seize the initiative to host the tournament.

 Finally! 

My understanding is that this is an "Invitational."   I could be wrong, but it is my understanding that it is being hosted by Carlos Rojas, not sanctioned by an organization.  Although how the judges from different organizations will be able to judge, unless it is sanctioned by an organization, I don't know.   Pierre Wahlstrom (Sweden) is one of the judges, Mike West is another.  No idea who the third will be.  

  It would be a great event to spectate, if the "usual suspects" are going to compete.  A bit too far afield for me, though.

This event sounds promising. I've always thought that important SchH competitions s/d be judged by a team of judges simultaneously just like in boxing or figure skating. If it is not sanctioned by any organization doesn't matter, and might even be better because politics are minimized. Though rare, events like these have been held before, especially in Europe. Typically you get a wealthy individual who is also a GSD enthusiast that puts up the prize money or even pays for top competitors' airfare, etc. I know of one actual billionaire from the Forbes 400 list that is a working line GSD/SchH enthusiast and for people like him,  10k is peanuts. Hopefully we get more events like these.

This is awesome!  I think all National trials should have Olympic style judging.  I like the limit of 30 dogs as well, perhaps should be 20.  Perhaps going forward top 5 finishers at the Nationals would get an invite, then the invisibile hand can pick the rest.  I hope this becomes an annual event.  Maybe ESPN will pick it up.  Maybe there will interviews on Sports Center.  Let the trash talking begin, HA!  Your dog does a sit and bark like a lab.  Your dog couldn't get its fat ass over the A-frame.  WOW!

Kyle

I understand where money + dogs can be a disaster. But it sounds like the old Schutzhund league was set up with the dreams of becoming a  professional sports league like the NFL, NBA, Major Leagues, etc. but SchH is never going to be a spectator sport. It doesn't look like this is the intention with this invitational or I hope that it is not. 10k is not a lot of money, much more money than that changes hands at the BSZS. Even now people already abuse and exploit dogs, cheat and engage in politics just for ego even when there is no money involved. So I hope the sponsor is actually a wealthy individual who just likes GSDs instead of corporations. If it is corporate sponsored then the cheating and politics could eventually become the same as in those Eukanuba sponsored AKC dog shows etc.

The Schutzhund League people are talking about was funded by a family who had inherited a lot of money and wanted to have some fun. I heard they even had an events in Europe when they travelled and the goal was not to make it like the major leagues of baseball. I heard their accountant swindled with money and that this family is now living in a state of puberty.
 

It looks like Carlos Rojas...he is a breeder and a schutzhund trainer who has clubs with all the major schutzhund organizationals is trying to get all the organizations together and that is why the judges are from different organizations. This is on purpose from what I can see and the fact that all three judges judge all three aspects keeps them on their toes and makes it so interesting for everyone. I don't see the third judge named yet though from that website. Kudos to Carlos Rojas.

Hello Pat and all who are interested in more information from this unique event.

Yes, That is a fact    This event is to give Kudos to all the MASTERS in our sport it will be an honor to see some of the greatest Champions in the World in my back yard. With that i say it all

I think now it is 3 weeks or better that i have asked USA to give the OK for Carla to be the third Judge.

I have waited long enough and have asked Doug Deacon to step in as our third Judge.

Yes, i would have liked 1 USA Judge   1 WDA/AKC Judge   1 SV Judge  The 3 of them    But thats OK  The Trial Will Go On

I hope all of interest will come to watch.

My wonderful wife Ai which is the web master is working hard in putting it all together.

Please stop in often.  http://www.2008masterstournament.com/

Thank you

Carlos Rojas

What organization (if any) is behind this event?  How do competitors qualify or how are they selected?  Who selected the judges/helpers?    By Olympic style judging, do you mean all three judges will score all dogs in all phases and an average will be the final score or ???  Sounds interesting.  More info please! 

Regards,

Diane Seaman

Hello Diane and all.

The organization is The 2008 Masters World Schutzhund Tournament

The competitors are by Invitation only   World to National Masters

I selected the Judges and the helpers.

Olympic Style Judges   Yes, by average score for each phase

I hope that helps you If you like you can contact me for any additional information 201 873 8496

Carlos Rojas

Posted by Pat Relton: 

I heard their accountant swindled with money and that this family is now living in a state of puberty.

I needed a good laugh this morning.

Posted by Mystere:

Carlos is putting it on and backing this himself, so HIS criteria for invitation is appropriate, whatever it may be.

It is his criteria for determining who is invited and who is not that I was asking him about and how one qualifies for such an invite.  I certainly wasn't asking for your uninformed opinion.

His "criteria" could be solid black dogs only and only handlers with income in excess of $500,000.00 a year.  That doesn't make that the best of the best.  In your opinion, that might be "...appropriate, whatever it may be."  I asked for a description of the criteria he uses to determine who he invites, who he eliminates and why.  

Carlos, thank you for answering my questions.  I will support the event in any way I can and will contact you privately for ideas on how to do that.

Diane Seaman

Quote by Mystere:

Fiona,

What a nasty attitude to drag onto such an otherwise joyful thread!
What possible business is it of yours as to who he INVITES and why? Carlos is putting on the event and being generous enough to share it with the rest of us. He can set whatever criteria he wants and, frankly, any one else's opinion about his criteria is irrelevant and immaterial. Yes, if he is footing the bill, NOT you, then HIS criteria, whatever it may be is THE criteria, not YOUR uninformed, un-paying opinion. Get yoyr own sandbox and you can set criteria more to your liking. Sheesh! Take you meds already!!
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It's proported to be the 2008 Master World Schutzhund Tournament.  It's porported to be by invitation only.

What is your damn problem with me asking what the criteria is for determining who is invited and who isn't and where is that any of your damn business?

As far as what possible business it would be of mine or anyone else's for that matter (as I notice now I'm not the only one who asked), I guess that would go to a) whether or not I would considering sponsoring the event (sponsorship as is indicated on the homepage of the link given) or b) whether or not it would be worth attending and therefore also "sponsoring" indirectly as a spectator.

Nobody is saying that Carlos can't make the rules if he's footing the bill.  Take your own meds and go back to school!  Study comprehension!  Nobody even remotely indicated that. 

As far as "my own sandbox" and setting criteria "more to my liking", well, I don't know what his criteria is for basing his invitations on, so that would be rather impossible, wouldn't it?  It could well be that I thoroughly agree with his criteria and therefore there's no need for another "sandbox" as you call it.  Grow up.  You started this argument just for the sake of arguing.

Furthermore, my question was not asked with "attitude".  It was asked out of curiousity, as I'm sure the other poster's was also.  The only "attitude" displayed was your response.  You didn't have the answers I and another was asking for, so shut the hell up and don't respond.  It's as simple as that.

Run along now.  Go take your own meds and cry to your therapist.

Mrs. Fiona,

proported or porported is correctly spelled purported so we are even and both need to go back to school

Carlos Rojas' Ikke was Schh3,IPO3,FH2 before T Floyd ever put his hands on the dog - Carlos' current dog Branco is doing extremely well and is a very strong working dog in all phases, without the help of T Floyd.  Get your facts straight.

molly

Posted by Pat Relton:

Mrs. Fiona,

proported or porported is correctly spelled purported so we are even and both need to go back to school

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You are correct.  I did misspell the correct word and you did spell puberty correctly.  There's a big difference, however, between poverty (the word, I assume, that describes that which you were endeavoring to convey) and puberty, which really has nothing to do with finances.

So, yes, perhaps we do both need to go back to school.  But apparently for different reasons.

It's Ms. Dunne, btw, or Fiona.

Carlos Rojas LOL

this is his new way to get attention and fame,being very poor trainer (the only dog he had some success was Ike who was trained by T Floyd),and having no success with his new dog of any in the future unless T will help him.His way is to buy this sport like he paid big $$$$ for his kennel name,He is very good businessman and has very nice websites,comes to dogs I would keep my dogs away from him

Funky man    you just have to be disrespectfull don't ya .  Carlos tries and trains hard just like anyone else trying to make the podium  .

Pia

Is this competition limited to GSDs?  I will look forward to seeing the list of competitors - this should be a very exciting event!  I hope if Carlos needs help he will contact those in this region who are willing to - myself and many others.  Good job Carlos!

molly

Hello CMassGSD    Here he is

Ramgsd

Why don't you wait for the WUSV?  That is the reason Ivan started training his Gsd. 

if you'd like to see Ivan and Apache heres a little link for you: http://www.malinois.com/otvitosha/versatile.htm it's just a little heeling... but you can at least see what his GSD looks like. scroll down to the bottom of the page and click on the link.

That Mondio ring stuff looks really cool!

I like Stonehaus' idea of a separate area for database loonies.  It could be like a cage fight!   A little event within an event.   No rules, no refs, just old fashioned hair pulling and ball kicking.  Last one standing gets a date with Hippodude.

Where is the list of competitors?

Did the USSR send a team to the WUSV?

Pat Relton, do you mean the USSR or the former USSR?

Hello Pat and all.

I have to give the invited competitors just a little more time,but check in often on this thread and ill post competitors little bit at a time.

Wallace Payne Competitor for the http://www.2008masterstournament.com/

I dont have any USSR   Do you know one????

I am looking for WUSV participants from 2000 to date If you know one,please advise.   GSD only

Carlos Rojas

what dog would Wallace be competing?  What happens if the WUSV competitor's dog has been retired or injured?  Doesn't the dog have to be qualified as well as the handler?  Or maybe Wallace has another dog that is ready for that level already - wouldn't surprise me :)

molly

The last time she showed was in Ravenna.

Thank you, Hukka, exactly what I said: "the Russians go to WUSV but are not very successful yet". And that is why  "no one in my country is waiting for an invitation from Carlos Rojas, alas..."

Aiyoshino, I hope I wasn`t misunderstood. The time has not come for the Russians to be favored with an invitation, honestly.

But the day will come...

Hi Molly

Any dog is fine.

I will need your help at the trial.    I hope you can make it to the banquette dinner/draw/DJ music open bar

I wonder... Would it be OK to ask Mr. Balabanov about Apache?    He is a registered user on pedigreedatabase:

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/dogs/belgian_malinois/userinfo.html?uid=41427

I really don`t know...

 Excellent!!  Nice to see that the Europeans are "representing"!!    This is really shaping up to be an event not to be missed!!

Bravo, Carlos!!!!

Mr. Rojas,

What will the spectator cost be to observe this awesome event? I checked the site, didn't see any info on this.

Thanks!

What a list!

Way cool! BUt that is only 10! Tell us the whole list at one time so we don't go crazy.

Hi Air    Do you have a name?           Yes, I am waiting    Do you Know any WUSV Canadian which you may refer.

Carlos Rojas

Hello   MaxBear  

    Yes we will have a cover charge not sure yet on how much. What would you consider reasonable just to get an idea? The catalog for this event will be a memorable one   30 full page color competitors So you can get autographs.

Carlos Rojas

Is this event only for H.O.T Dogs? if not it should be.