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by autobahn on 24 November 2007 - 16:11
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I came across this website www.freewebs.com/medontekennels/shelby.htm and I wonder why on earth they want to breed a Malinois to a German Shepherd?! What is the point?



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by Two Moons on 24 November 2007 - 16:11
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After going to this website all I can do is laugh.   The word moron keeps flashing before my eyes.

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by Kaffirdog on 24 November 2007 - 16:11
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Why not email them and ask?  I did try, but the mail bounced.  Probably someone at Schutzhund Club told them the Mali is very talented and someone else told them that in Belgium/Holland/ France or wherever, Mali x GSD were the ultimate all round working dog, throw in a touch of sentiment because they love their dogs and a couple of admirers saying they would love a pup from Shelby and Prince and there you go - perfect excuse for a litter of crossbreeds!

Probably not bad or unkind folk, just uneducated.

Margaret N-J



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by Kaffirdog on 24 November 2007 - 16:11
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Why not email them and ask?  I did try, but the mail bounced.  Probably someone at Schutzhund Club told them the Mali is very talented and someone else told them that in Belgium/Holland/ France or wherever, Mali x GSD were the ultimate all round working dog, throw in a touch of sentiment because they love their dogs and a couple of admirers saying they would love a pup from Shelby and Prince and there you go - perfect excuse for a litter of crossbreeds!

Probably not bad or unkind folk, just uneducated.

Margaret N-J



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by Two Moons on 24 November 2007 - 16:11
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I know a trainer of police dogs, he has started using the Malinois.   They are great dogs.  I just thought the website was a bit off.  I asked myself the same question, why?   Just sounds like another peakapoodle.  I dont favor crossbreeding as a business which it what they are doing. 

brent.



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by ProudShepherdPoppa on 24 November 2007 - 16:11
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Probably because Prince is so "pertective" (sorry, could not resist LOL)



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by animules on 24 November 2007 - 16:11
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I hope her 6-month old picture wasn't her current age......... They plan to breed her next spring.



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by Bob-O on 24 November 2007 - 16:11
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I know there is some humour in this, and perhaps should be in this case. But, many of us remember the controvery caused by the S.V.'s Dr. Helmut Raiser when he publicly suggested the very same thing. His goal is/was to restore the working ability of the GSD. Needless to say, Dr. Raiser is quite outspoken regarding his opinions about this matter and this caused his fallout with the S.V..

Although I am strictly a fan of the GSD, I must say that a well-bred Malinois is a facinating dog that is still bred for working ability rather than for conformation to the flavour of the day. I wonder myself how Dr. Raiser is doing with his new venture, S.V. 2000? Does anyone have information other than what can be found on the web?

Regards,

Bob-O



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by Bob-O on 24 November 2007 - 17:11
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I found the link: http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/bulletins_read/69130.html#69307 in case anyone is interesting.

Regards,

Bob-O



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by southtexan on 24 November 2007 - 17:11
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Some people seem to think the grass is always greener on the othe side. As one who has owned and worked mals they as a breed have their own virtues and also problems.  They also can have alot of nerve issues that few people ever discuss.



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by animules on 24 November 2007 - 17:11
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If I was ever to get a Mal it would be from Ivan Balabanov.  But since I love my GSD's I'll stick with them.  



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by Two Moons on 24 November 2007 - 17:11
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All I hear is preserving the gsd, protecting the gsd, improving the gsd.

I can see cross's but they would have to be just that.   Not a Malinois, or a German Shepherd

A cross might make an interesting animal.  But to what end?



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by KYLE on 24 November 2007 - 17:11
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There are several Mali German Shepherd crosses in police sevice in europe.They are reffered to as "Shmalis".

Kyle



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by Puputz on 24 November 2007 - 18:11
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I know Malis are great dogs but I still don't see why people think mixing them with shepherds would "improve" the shepherd. Malis work like Malis and shepherds work like shepherds, the way I see it.


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by Saint Funkman on 24 November 2007 - 18:11
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For a better laugh, go to the puppy questionaire on the site. The spelling errors are too numerous to list but, quite funny. OH please can I use Prince as a stud!

 

LMFAO



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by Get A Real Dog on 24 November 2007 - 19:11
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Why would someone breed a malinios to a shepherd? Good question. Here is what I see could be the benifits.....

What the Malinios could add to a GSD

1. drive

2. speed and agility

3 Environmental stability (dpending on the lines)

3. trainability (I have trained both and the Mals are much easier)

4. over all working ability

5. Overall stucture and health improvement (one near and dear to me right now)

What the GSD could bring to a Mal

1.) Size and Bone (if that is desired)

2) Grip

3) stability or "clear in the head"

In Holland ( who produce more police and military dogs than anywhere in the world) they cross breed all kinds of different breeds but always breed back to the Mal.

1992 Belgian Ring champion was a 1/2 GSD 1/2 Mal

Hard core working people seem to be the only ones who can see the benifits in cross breeding. They are looking only to produce structurally sound, ultimate working animals.

 



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by Do right and fear no one on 24 November 2007 - 20:11
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Truth is that a cross would probably be a healthier, better working dog than one or the other alone.  First generation anyway.  Where it would go from there would not be in my knowledge base.  The mal is too small IMO for the work.  A shepherd is generally too genetically unhealthy.  Raiser is right but in the GSD community, it is blasphemy.

If I wanted a good sled dog, I might cross something with a Siberian Husky.  If I wanted a strickly working dog for police or military, I would probably cross a GSD with a Mal.  I find it interesting that no one really is crossing a Doby with a Mal or GSD.  It would be an ugly dog but when strickly concerned about working ability, who would care.  I would think that the Dobe is first for working ability, although I have no experience with a Mal..  Cold weather would be a problem for a Dobe though.

Many say that the current Dobermann strains available have been inbred and BYB'ed so much that they have "lost it", when it comes to temperment and ability.  That was not my experience "back when".  They where the best.

Rottweilers may be in the same boat as Dobe's.  This is apparently (if not already) going to happen to the GSD and the Mal's, unless "they" heed Raisers' call.

I am not in favor of cross breeding the GSD into oblivion.  Just stating that for working ability and health reasons, it would not be stupid to cross them for specific jobs.

Great Dames used to be Hell Hounds, but are rarely used these days except for pet or show.  Not sure why.  Maybe the large piles of poop.  



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by Medonte on 25 November 2007 - 03:11
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wow, clearly you people do have too much time on your hands!

I have never had any intesions of breeding Prince to Shelby, Shelby is a year and a half (she was six months old when she got her HIC if you read it properly) After Shelby gets her hips and elbows x-rayed she will be bred to another CKC Malinois. I am surprised that so many of you would jump to conclusions. I am not very computer Savy and asked my friend who knows nothing about dogs but is very good with computers to do the site for me and she agreed, she is a 16 year old high school student and it was for a school project. I think she did very well considering. So what if her spelling isn't perfect she tried. Clearly I will be going over the site with her tomorrow. Luckily for me there was a nice lady that noticed inquired. Unlike the several immature emails that I got today.

I DO NOT AGREE WITH CROSS BREEDING all of my dogs are registered with the CKC or AKC.

 

 



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by Ceph on 25 November 2007 - 04:11
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GARD - good post - I was actually going to bring up Holland...and I also think there are some kennels in Germany who breed GSDs have brought some mal or dutchie blood into their programs and kinda swept it under the table...though I am basing this off of second hand information.

I think there is a fair amount of crossing going on for the people doing work work - I know of a breeder who will cross shepherds, mals, and dutchies - though he is producing dogs solely for the purpose of police work.  I know that the mal-dutchie cross is fairly common in Holland as well.

I can definetley see the benefits to doing it.  Hec - if you really look at it, the dutchies and the mals arent built that different from what the GSDs used to look like when the Captain was still around.

~Cate



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by olskoolgsds on 25 November 2007 - 04:11
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GARD, 
Thanks for sharing my thoughts. I knew it would not be P.C. in the dog world to suggest a cross breeding.
If the kennel has integrity of breeding practices, ie. willing to cull, willing to spend lots of time, money and heartache into something that may not come out as they hope, but are still interrested in trying to produce a dog that has good health, good hips, good drive, courage, brains, hardness, and gameness, then why not ?  

I know nothing of this breeder. If this is a byb that thinks a breeding or two is going to put them on the map then it will fail as all of these attempts do. But if you have a Max von Stephanitz that is determined to bring some vitality back into a breed and strive to produce something that turns out a higher % of working dogs then why not ?

It all goes back to the intentions of the breeder and the depth of their pocket and time. This is a task that I would take my hat off to someone that is willing to put their life on hold for a long time.






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