by emoryg on 10 December 2018 - 00:12
Nothing wrong with a GSD working for food or for his handler, as long as there is still a willingness to please. And they can still work without the willingness to please, just dont breed them.
by Xeph on 10 December 2018 - 00:12
BTW, I’d like to add (while I’m thinking if it) that not a single one of us ever 100% fades rewards. We maintain our dogs through continued training. That includes giving them random bits of attention or food or play because they complied with something we told them to do.
None of us work without a reward, either. Some of us have fixed pay schedules, some variable, but we all know that we’re getting paid at some juncture.
Pay your dogs, ya tightwads! It is ego and pride that drives someone to cast off a valuable training tool, not good dogmanship.
by duke1965 on 10 December 2018 - 04:12
looks like someone went to a bart bellon seminair
by Baerenfangs Erbe on 10 December 2018 - 04:12
by Xeph on 10 December 2018 - 05:12
by Hundmutter on 10 December 2018 - 09:12
Wishing you a speedy recovery, hope you are back on your feet and have your 'houseful' back with you, soon as.
by apple on 10 December 2018 - 12:12
I said stress interferes with initial learning, not that stress is bad when it comes to learning after a dog has begun to learn a behavior. You read what you want and then come up with a response that is not relevant. Related to Barenfang's post, I have an almost 11 month old GSD and initially introduced him to the static heel position with food. After a while, while he was in the front position, I introduced opposition reflex by pulling the leash to the right. In addition to the food reward in the correct position and opposition reflex/negative reinforcement, he has developed a good awareness of the static heel position and has a fast return to heel. But I wouldn't introduce the heel without trying food first to give the dog a chance to figure things out.
The idea of using compulsion to determine if you have a tough dog leaves a lot to be desired. A dog's response to compulsion generally only tells you about a dog's response to compulsion. It may tell you if you have a really soft dog, but one should be able to do fairly well on selecting a pup by the pedigree and/or seeing the parents work, and with an adult, you can test the dog in many other ways. Handler hardness does not necessarily infer anything about the dog except for his response to corrections, and that can change as a pup matures.
by Xeph on 10 December 2018 - 17:12
Well yeah up to a point; but no one should HAVE to rely on the food treat (or other reward) as immediate 'wages' for obeying every command for the whole of your dog's life, should you ? Or what happens when you need them to do something in an emergency ? I am sure, Xeph, you are not suggesting this.
You are correct, I am not suggesting this. The training you are describing is improper use of food rewards. That is not the fault of the food, it is the fault of the user applying the method incorrectly.
Thank you for the well wishes. I’m eager to get everybody home.
by Prager on 12 December 2018 - 21:12
by duke1965 on 12 December 2018 - 22:12
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