German Shepherd Dog > Elbow dysplasia UK (22 replies)
Elbow dysplasia UK
by Csense on 28 July 2009 - 19:37
I was looking at the Jaquenetta website recently and have noticed that there are more and more dogs being bred that have been tested but got BAD results.
by myfanwy on 28 July 2009 - 20:40
by Csense on 28 July 2009 - 20:52
|Myfanwy you are wrong the max score for elbows is 3 not 5.|
The point is, there are a lot of people not submitting x rays to the BVA
I was more concerned with the breeders that are knowingly breeding from tested animals who have scores of 2/3
by Wildmoor on 28 July 2009 - 21:06
|Even though mine had 0:0 hips he had a grade 3 elbows hence he was neutered|
by myfanwy on 28 July 2009 - 21:17
|Sorry your quite right.|
got my information mixed up.
by svbc1 on 28 July 2009 - 21:35
|WILDMOOR. Good on you !. Just think if you had only scored your dogs hips and not his elbows you might have used him for stud like others who seem to think only hips are important.|
by july9000 on 29 July 2009 - 02:38
| I'm not familiar with BVA testing..are they rated a little like OFA (grade 1,2,3 etc..)|
Meaning that a 2 means DJD grade 2?
I know that here in america the elbow testing is quite new and some (unfortunatly) don't do them saying that there is no problem breeding a grade 1 DJD..
I think we should JUST breed normal to normal dogs if we want to get rid of this terrible disease, Since we don't really know how it is transmitted and why, we should only breed the best to the best. JMO
by svbc1 on 29 July 2009 - 10:39
|JULY9OOO. Yes agreed, only 0 to 0 breedings are best. The UK. BVA elbow scores are from 0 to 3 max. The KC. say only a score of up to 1 is acceptable. Best to breed with 0 .|
by Langhaar on 29 July 2009 - 14:36
|My GSD was elbow scored at the same time his hips were, he has a score of 0:0 and 5:3 respectively.|
You will also find very few GSDs are eye tested annually in the UK either, even though they are on Schedule A for Hereditary Cataracts; mine has been tested annually for 4 years and is repeatedly got " unaffected."
IMHO hips, elbows, eyes and blood testing/screening (in the case of males for the latter) should be compulsory.
by svbc1 on 29 July 2009 - 15:25
|I have never ever seen hereditary cateracts in GSDs , I have seen quite a lot of Pannus from non related and related lines, so is there a test for Pannus ?.|
by Langhaar on 29 July 2009 - 15:32
|No idea, HC is on the KC/BVA Schedule for GSD; I suppose it is a bit like ED, if you have never tested for it, you will not know if it is there?|
by Wildmoor on 29 July 2009 - 17:07
|Elbow dysplasia UK|
by svbc1 on 29 July 2009 - 15:07
I have never ever seen hereditary cateracts in GSDs , I have seen quite a lot of Pannus from non related and related lines, so is there a test for Pannus ?.
I had a GSD born in 1992 with HC, at the time they were looking at removing the test for this but Brian Leonard (KC chairman at the time) supported me in the claim from the breeder and the test was kept on the list.
by svbc1 on 29 July 2009 - 17:29
Wildmoor , sorry your dog had HC , do you know of any more HC ?, is it that common like hips/elbows ?. Just for interest, are cateracts not visible then Langhaar ?. What about Pannus ?.
by Wildmoor on 29 July 2009 - 17:47
|There were a few around in the 70's but is was hushed up like a lot of problems people dont like disclosing what is in their lines. This particular dog was linbred to a dog that I later found out with help that was known for producing HC back in the 70's, like a lot of conditions it can miss several generations and crop up when least expecting. |
No you cant see, accept the obvious even in strong light the pupils are perminately dilated, the only way to see is have the dog sat near a doorway in a darkened room and have a strong light source behind, this dog was diagnosed by an Ophthalmologist. ?sp.
by petowner on 29 July 2009 - 18:11
|Csense. I recently enquired about a working litter only to be told that both Sire and Dam had elbow scores of 2. and the Sire not Haemo tested, I was told by the breeder that this was not a problem and that working lines do not have Haemo ?.|
by july9000 on 29 July 2009 - 18:36
|Humm..I would stay away from that breeder!! This is exactly why the problem pass from generation to generation and the reason is simple..lots of dogs with DJD don't limp until they are 10 or 11..So those breeders just say that it is not a problem..Well it is a BIG problem. I can see that they are not more concern about it in UK just like here in America.|
Hemophilia we don't hear a lot around here..I know in Germany they started to be concern with the Wienerau line (Canto if i'm not mistaken). In Am. S/L GSD it doesn't seem to be happening..never heard of one case in 20 years..
Pannus is a very challenging thing to get rid of because you can't see it before 5 or 6 years old sometimes so the dog already bred a couple of times..I don't think you can test it until it's there..Fortunatly you can contro it with cortisone drop..
Like I said only normal to normal dogs should be bred..Elbow dysplasia is not a fun problem to deal with..We should not encourage breeders who just don't care about it..JMO
by Csense on 29 July 2009 - 22:30
Funny how none of the breeders that are doing this have the courage of their convictions
by svbc1 on 30 July 2009 - 10:13
|CSENCE. I have just looked at the Jaquenetta website and they have a good list for all the dogs that have been elbow scored, (assuming this is an accurate list. ), it would be better if their Sire and Dam's scores were listed on there as well. I was surprised to see so many dogs had been scored and more surprised when I looked up the K.C.hip scores that quite a few of the dogs with good hip scores had got bad elbows !. This is a fair indication that elbow scoring is very necessary !. As Jamessie51 said, why not do elbows at the same time as the hips , that makes sense to me. If breeders are not submitting scores it should be made compulsary that when the vets do them they have to submit them to the BVA , don't suppose that would happen but good if it did.|
by furrycoat on 30 July 2009 - 11:05
|I have been looking around and see that even some of the top kennels,are not doing both tests hips -elbows on there dogs,or are they?With it not beign compulsary they can choose just to send the hip score and not send the elbows and still breed from that dog.|
by Csense on 30 July 2009 - 11:43
Some of the larger kennels are breeding dogs that have been scored with results of 2 +
considering that they were fully aware of the results prior to mating I find this disgusting.
As for the Jaquenetta website I have noticed that some dogs with bad scores have been removed, I don't know why.
I will be using the KC site and the BRS to double check test results from now on.
Unless breeders get their heads out of thair backsides and start to score, and remove dogs with ED from the gene pool we are going to be in a real mess in the not to distant future.
Denial is not a long river in Egypt.....