German Shepherd Dog > 100 percent ddr lines rare (27 replies)
100 percent ddr lines rare
by catman on 14 January 2011 - 19:44
|why are they so hard to find now seems breeders only breed czech and west german now |
are there any great ddr breeders left out there anymore?
by mirasmom on 14 January 2011 - 20:12
by BlackthornGSD on 14 January 2011 - 21:31
|It's unusual/rare because it's been 32 years since the Deutsche Demokratische Republik ceased to exist. So any "all DDR" dogs only exist because some few breeders felt it important to preserve the bloodlines.|
Along the way, the DDR dogs have combined with many other bloodlines to produce many great working dogs--but then their progeny are no longer 100% DDR.
by Pharaoh on 14 January 2011 - 23:17
|Pharaoh is 100% DDR but that is becoming very tricky. The bloodlines are narrowing and it is becoming too distilled.|
I would recommend www.justk9s.com/. I don't know how long she can stay 100% DDR. She imported two females for harmonius pedigrees. I know Kim is very particular about pedigrees and conformation and temperament and doesn't like narrowing the gene pool.
Who knows how long it can last.
by catman on 14 January 2011 - 23:27
|thanks even the breeders on the ddr legend site are not pure ddr breeders a lot of them are mixed with west german and czech |
i heard some lines of ddr are weak nerved also
by vonissk on 14 January 2011 - 23:58
|Michelle I agree with you about Kim and if I were in the market for a DDR dog I would certainly contact her. One of the problems I see--remember this is JMO--is that people again are all out for the dollar bill and not breeding lines that compliment each other. Sort of like you got a DDR (AKC) dog--so do I, let's breed them and get registered pups and make gazillions of money. And I think it's very sad that a great line of dogs is going to go down...................JMO...|
by michael68 on 15 January 2011 - 00:25
|are you looking for ddr breeders?|
by catman on 15 January 2011 - 00:26
|me 2 i wish there were more breeders of the olden age ddr shepherds that were not just taking 2 breeders and breeding them|
seems a lot of title dogs these days have bad nerves even i know a dog that was titled in sch1 and has horrible nerves
i love ddr dogs tho most beautiful ever and the original ones had the best tempermentns JMHO
by Jyl on 15 January 2011 - 04:00
|The DDR dogs are beautiful dogs. I use to own a DDR female. I ended up giving her to my mom (who had just lost her old dog) as she didnt work out for SchH. Unfortunantly the DDR dogs are diminishing....kinda like the Czech dogs. ( I have Czech dogs now). I feel that the die hard DDR breeders are trying to keep the lines going, not sure if it will happen or not. As Michele said, the gene pool is very small now. Unless something is done soon it will dwindle down to nothing...SAD SAD SAD! |
As for DDR breeder... Just K9s (Kim) is a good one she has nice DDR dogs. There is also Schraderhaus and Vom Banach who are both in Washington. There is also a DDR breeder on the east coast but I do not remember her name.
Another person to talk to would be Hans on this site. He deals mostly in Czech dogs but should have some great contacts and information about the DDR dogs too.
by catman on 15 January 2011 - 05:57
|what do u mean about czech dogs going down? they seem to be the toughest, hardest gsds out there right now? |
by Jyl on 15 January 2011 - 08:31
|Most of the Czech dogs out there are not PURE....meaning the are not 100% Czech. They usually have west german lines mixed in. ..... or Belgium, DDR mixed in. Not saying that this is bad, but they are not PURE Czech. That is what I meant.|
by Elkoorr on 15 January 2011 - 17:33
|I dont even know where to start. Coming from that aera and growing up as well as breeding those dogs, I can tell you that very few of the 100% DDR dogs still resemble what once was. Trying to breed solely 100% DDR dogs will drive you into a genetic bottleneck and will deminish the quality of dogs like we already see today.|
The trend in germany is to outcross to lines with similar phenotypes and temperaments and then breed back to the DDR line again to strenghten those aspects. Sensitively done it will widen the gene pool and hopefully produce dogs that again more resemble the former ones. Especially outcrosses to PZ come to mind as many of them were based on DDRs; and again as Jyl said a lot of Czech dogs are outcrossed to west german lines.
But why would you bother? Especially in Germany the dog has to pass a breed survey to be elegible for breeding. In the US per example one could care less. To pass the survey the dog has to have the necessary temperament and drive to do so. If you breed into a bottleneck the dogs drives will eventual go downhill as well. Now you propably think...but my dog has plenty of drive chasing squirrles and balls all day long, barks at strangers, great in obedience ect. And all this is good, however it does not mean your dog can take stick pressure from a stranger. And this is still a valuable part of the breed survey.
I cherish the old DDRs and it saddens me that the fall of the wall also was the slow fall of those respectful, hard and robust dogs. I like to see those dogs again with the DDR phenotype and the courage that comes from the heart, and not from a brain that is locked in prey.
I am expecting a litter that is from an 50/50 outcross to west german x an 89% DDR girl. The litter is linebred on Sven vom Grafental (100%). The outcross in my eyes was genious and produced a hard serious dog (the whole litter was great). I shall see what this litter will bring to the table.
by Pharaoh on 16 January 2011 - 03:20
|Speaking of small gene pool, Sven is Pharaoh's grandfather. Both of Pharaoh's parents were imported from Germany and breed surveyed. That is getting harder to find.|
by catman on 16 January 2011 - 04:21
|wow pharaoh is one of the cutest gsds i have ever seen ddr and czech dogs remind me of teddy bears lol|
they just seem so much more adorable than other shepherd line but its JMHO i have always wished to have one
by darylehret on 16 January 2011 - 05:28
|........and we wonder how appearance has taken the foreground in ddr breeding|
by SportySchGuy on 16 January 2011 - 05:33
|My thoughts precisely!|
by SportySchGuy on 16 January 2011 - 05:38
|My dog is 115% DDR!|
by catman on 16 January 2011 - 05:58
|FYI i would not agree to a breeder that was breeding for looks as most important i think looks should be last when it comes to breeding JMHO but it was their looks intially that sparked my attention at first. |
by Elkoorr on 16 January 2011 - 15:06
|And there is nothing wrong with it, catman. Looks should be taken into consideration, or better said the phenotype of big bone, blocky head, short hocks, an overall bold look and deep rich pigment. Put together in harmony should give you the looks the eyes desire ;) |
by michael68 on 17 January 2011 - 01:06
|I too have 100% ddr lines and i personally love the ddr shepherd.He may not be the high drive dog that most want but he fits me perfectly..I am also getting a female ddr in april and cant wait to get her.My male was imported from the Grafental kennels and my female is coming from Timberhaus kennels in Washington.|
Elkcoor i cant wait to see your pup!!