German Shepherd Dog > KENNEL CLUB SUSPEND ALLOCATION OF GSD CC's for 2012 (280 replies)
by Liebe on 30 July 2009 - 13:59
|Its funny but the KC told me when I challenged them re health screening levels that they did not want breeders to go away from them as they felt they had better control than another organisations and they didnt want it "going underground" - quoting the statistics that they had from the american kc after the second registration system was organised. Really what they didnt want to lose was the income from the registrations, transfers etc.|
Has anyone calculated the income the KC gets from them each year, using puppy registrations, transfers and name changes - it would be interesting to add it all up and see what it amounts to - multiply it by the number of GSD kennels who would be walking should the case arise - and pass this info to the KC - be intersting to see if they back down as the loss of revenue.
Take for example, £12 per puppy x 10 in a litter - £120, plus transfer to new owner, possibly pretty pedigree and maybe a frame, admittedly not all owners transer. Plus then the loss of revenue from breed supplments and possible insurance premiums paid - soon adds up to a tidy sum.
by Videx on 30 July 2009 - 17:49
|This subject has been reported on the front pages of dog newspapers, and as a result the National Newspapers are 'picking' it up. I hope the GSD Partnership exploit this "publicity" opportunity to its full potential. Is there anyone out there capable? Who can avoid "kissing a*s*.|
by dave on 30 July 2009 - 21:24
This situation we find ourselves in, brings to mind the famous gangster line, keep your friends close but your enemies closer. I don't think anything is to be gained by fighting the Kennel Club, that is a battle we can win, but will be an unecessarily hard battle to fight. We desperately need to organize ourselves and produce a plan, brief outline should be an alternative registration system, it could be very profitable and provide healthy competition if applied correctly, if this can be achieved then with revenue we can progress. The Breed Council was originally organized by the KC, for that reason I think would not suite the purpose of organizing anything as an alternative to KC. We need a complete breath of fresh air,
by Sophie on 30 July 2009 - 22:25
Whilst we have all this talk about what scheme etc should be the best please re-read the KC letter.
by opa on 31 July 2009 - 07:17
Sophie,Please read what videx wrote. I rest my case.
by cal123 on 31 July 2009 - 07:22
|Double handling that is obvious can be stopped - I have stopped it very easily when judging. |
The problem is that it has snowballed and exhibitors believe that this is the only way to show a GSD. It is not! A correctly moving GSD does not need anyone running outside the ring shouting and causing problems.
Plus Health and Safety laws must be observed otherwise someone, maybe a club secretary or the owner or whoever could find themselves involved in a very expensive lawsuit.
Drive, foreward reach and the ground covering floating trot all are better demonstrated without outside distraction. These dogs are supposed to be sheepherding dogs which can move with the minimum of effort, NOT sled dogs pulling their handlers around the ring! Although I do admit that larger rings better illustrate the correct ground-covering gait and that is worth campaigning for.
As for cowhocks and raised backlines, just think about it. What other animal on the planet that is meant to be a trotter and cover great distances is naturally endowed with cow hocks and raised backlines or steeply sloping backlines?
by svbc1 on 31 July 2009 - 08:15
|CAL123. Well said !. I think most exhibitors would agree that hard pulling into the lead can hide movement faults , dropping on the fore, short stepping , lack of natural drive from behind etc etc etc !. Off lead gaiting gives a different picture !, even with top dogs at sieger shows, easy seen on the re-vision DVDs.|
by PATTERSON on 31 July 2009 - 08:44
|Mr Payne |
Having read your second from last post is it not also true that even serious faults that can actuaully be seen, will not also stop some animals becoming CHAMPIONS,
1. An animal with a problem in the front and stands natually east to west
2. Loose ears
3. Loose hocks
Some breeders also opperate double standards in the respect of screening hips at 6 months and if not suitable the animals will never have a true hip score recorded, at a later date, therefore the sire or dam cannot be implicted as a poor hip producer.
by Sue B on 31 July 2009 - 08:55
|Earlier this week Dog World contacted me for my views and opinion on this subject - having spoken to the New Editor I provided her with the following written views. Know some of it though not all of it will be included but here it is below, in its entireity, for you all to read. Regards Sue B|
Re – Allocation of CC’s 2012 – GSD
History proves the GSD Community to have consistently being at the forefront of introducing Breed Health and Welfare initiatives in the UK over decades. Not only developing schemes for the improvement of our own breed but being prepared to open it up to all those in other breeds who wished to partake. The original GSDL/BVA Hip Scheme was one such initiative which consequently was adopted across many breeds and despite the financial investment made singularly by GSD Breed people, in the interests of dogdom, it was generously given over freely to the KC to run. Then came the GSDL Tattoo Scheme now the National Tattoo Register, the Haemophilia Scheme is but another set up by the GSD fraternity.
It was therefore somewhat of an understatement to say this KC letter came out of the blue, I personally view it as a disproportionate reaction to the current situation, especially considering the fact the GSD Community via the GSD Partnership, had been in constant dialogue with the KC since November 2008 holding a number of meetings covering a variety of issues including that of Health and Welfare. It’s untimely arrival was indeed unfortunate and one could be forgiven for perceiving it as a Warning Shot Across our Bows since it dropped on many Breed Club Secretary’s doormats the morning of Friday 24th July, only 24hrs before the GSD Breed Council Meeting schedule on Sat 25th July, a meeting with many important items on its agenda, including one from The GSD Partnership together with West Yorkshire GSD Club who had both worked tirelessly towards devising a Breed Specific Health and Welfare initiative able to run within the KC’s own Accredited Breeders Scheme as KC ABS for GSD’s. It is perhaps relevant to point out at this time that KC representatives Dr Jeff Sampson and Mr Bill Lambert were not only to be in attendance at this meeting but were there to speak on specific agenda items appertaining to KC Health Initiatives such as (EBV) and The 2009 KC ABS respectively.
All things considered this untimely, uncalled for letter could have sparked off so much ill feeling that the two Kennel club representatives attending this meeting could, understandably, have been in for a very stormy ride. I am however very proud to say that when it came to the Health and Welfare of our beloved breed the GSD Community again rose above the unfortunate timing and content of the KC’s letter by putting the Health and Welfare first, giving both KC representatives a warm reception and then voting overwhelmingly in favour with 23 out of 25 clubs present for the initiatives presented. We were also encouraged by the favourable response given to it by Mr Bill Lamberts, albeit disappointed at the two abstentions in our midst as after all this was totally a Health improvement initiative and entirely nothing to do with type. Perhaps if there is any justice left in this World of KC registered Pedigree Dogs the powers that be will take notice of the indisputable evidence presented at this meeting, when ALL GSD Clubs voted in Favour of further improvement to Health and Welfare yet two Clubs proved unequivocally they were indifferent to ANY Health and Welfare initiatives. I would think it was now in the KC’s best interest to disassociate themselves with those who are unable to give Health issues nothing other than their full support. I would like to think that the GSD community will continue to try and work with the KC despite the KC’s recent confrontational stance towards us.
Finally, the GSD Community ask(CONTINUED BELOW)
by Sue B on 31 July 2009 - 08:59
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Finally, the GSD Community ask this one question, considering the KC have come to this decision re CC Allocation mainly (their words) on Health Issues, why then have they singled out GSD’s? Surely other breeds have far more serious faults than the unsoundness the KC seem so concerned about within the GSD? Do the KC not consider breeds with constant breathing problems, whelping problems, skin problems and brain disorders to be less important than a few unsound dogs? And considering the KC allow all dogs to be registered including those with bad hips could it not be the KC themselves that are inadvertently filling our rings with unsound dogs? And if the GSD’s have been singled out this time, which breed will be next? Just a thought to leave you with!!
by svbc1 on 31 July 2009 - 09:24
|Your continuation paragraph Sue B is a very good point and needs to be put to the K.C. ASAP !!!!!!!!!!.|
by Sue B on 31 July 2009 - 09:35
I believe now is the time for calm, it is the KC not ourselves which has put us into this position. What are their REAL motives? Who knows!!??!! At the moment the best we can do it hazard a guess. I say we challenge them in such a way as they will have no way out but to reveal their real motives. By this I mean we continue dialogue, we have already, in my opinion, more than addressed their health issues and it couldnt have been more timely or more perfectly done than an overwhelming mandate from the Breed Clubs at the recent BC Meeting and infront of their own Kennel Club representative. So WE ALREADY HAVE DOCUMENTED EVIDENCE that what the Health Issue request is and has already been more than adequately dealt with and whats more we HAVE MINUTED PROOF!! The GSD Partnership have already plans to reconvene the yearly Ch Show judges forum and other plans for an Open Seminar on the recommended ABS for GSD's. A letter has already been sent to the KC mentioning these facts and of course we will need to rethink the Double Handling situation with all the clubs and as many exhibitors as possible attending a meeting.
by missbeeb on 31 July 2009 - 09:41
Well said and well thought out, Sue!
by Sophie on 31 July 2009 - 10:55
|Sue b if you go on to Google and enter ITV Player then search for 'Send in the Dogs' it currently plays the first 2 episodes. This will astay on the player for the next 27 days.|
by funky munky on 31 July 2009 - 10:57
|Kinda trying to stay away from posting anything these days, but Sue's post made me come out of retirement. As usual Sue excellent, sensible post. On the subject of the TV programme SEND IN THE DOGS, i missed this weeks episode, but did catch last weeks. In this particular episode there was a sable dog, which was said to be a RARE COLOURED GREY ALSATIAN. So i agree this must be confusing for the public, and probably the reason why i am still asked by joe public if my dogs are " ALSATIANS OR GERMAN SHEPHERDS"!!! Sue, keep up the good work. Liz|
by Videx on 31 July 2009 - 11:45
|I would like to draw everyone's attention to the following sentence in sue's post above:|
"Though I must stress that as the KC (in our BC Meeting) likened themselves to Summerset House they would therefore still have to take our registrations even if we started to managed our own affairs by creating our own registration database and show scene."
It would be very useful for the GSD Partnership to formally write to the Kennel Club, seeking formal clarification of their position on "KC registrations for GSD" and related matters, in the event that a section of the GSD fraternity decided to organise their own "GSD shows/events", and "Accredited GSD Scheme" , and "GSD two tier registration scheme".
by Videx on 31 July 2009 - 18:06
|I understand an article on this subject will appear in "THE TIMES" tomorrow, Saturday.|
by Csense on 31 July 2009 - 18:14
|What the hell is the GSD partnership???? sounds silly|
GSD breed council sounds much more appropriate.
by myfanwy on 31 July 2009 - 19:18
I was not going to reply to your comment but feel I must.
BEFORE YOU MAKE ANY MORE SILLY COMMENTS SIMILAR TO YOU LAST POST I SUGGEST YOU DO SOME HOMEWORK REGARDING THE MAKE-UP OF BOTH ORGANIZATION.
by Videx on 31 July 2009 - 20:36
|Csense - an obvious contradiction! Perhaps you may consider putting "Willtryto" in front.|