German Shepherd Dog > KENNEL CLUB SUSPEND ALLOCATION OF GSD CC's for 2012 (280 replies)
by tigermouse on 26 July 2009 - 11:34
|svbc, I think your idea is great, totally agree with AmbiiGSD|
by missbeeb on 27 July 2009 - 09:49
I have no wish to offend anyone, but the scheme put forward by the "Partnership" is better and will be easier to "update and add to"... we've waited this long, let's give it a few more weeks and see what the KC decides, common sense may prevail.
by jaymesie51 on 27 July 2009 - 10:56
I agrre with you missbeeb lets see if the KC will give us this the one thing i have noticed though no mention of changing the name and dropping the word alsatian
by andria1r on 27 July 2009 - 11:11
|As I have only been in this game for 10 months, so I don't feel I have the right to say anything on the matter (lack of experience) but it would be nice for the KC to acknolege that they understand that we want to move forward with our breed,|
and not just want to pocket our money for their own ends(whatever that mey be).
by Videx on 27 July 2009 - 11:13
| I would strongly urge ALL GSD Club Secretaries who anticipate having CC's in 2012 to contact the Kennel Club, and speak to Kathryn Symns. They should ask her whether they can proceed to secure a VENUE for their 2012 Championship Show?|
I feel sure they will receive the same answer as a GSD Club Secretary has already received.
The position of the Kennel Club will then be very clear.
by Videx on 27 July 2009 - 11:30
|(x) = 2-Day Show |
CH. Shows expected in 2012 = x
GSDC Scotland (x)
Heads of Valley
Midland Counties x
N.Eastern GSDC x
Preston & Fylde x
S.Western GSDC x
South of Scotland x
by cal123 on 27 July 2009 - 11:36
by Videx on 27 July 2009 - 12:09
|Perhaps one day we may establish the priority of making measurable health tests on our dogs a priority over aesthetic aspects. And maybe we will establish greater knowledge about our breeds physical faults, and what is and what is not a 'roach back'. I suppose it will be very difficult to do this with those in our breed who ignore the German Sieger Show, which is by far the numerically largest single breed show in the World. This show, held by our breeds founding club, in our breeds founding country, clearly and annually illustrates the actual interpretation of our breeds standard. "There are none so blind as those that do not want to see". There are none so arrogant as to reject what this show offers our breed by way of its desired conformation.|
Perhaps we should place, annually, photographs of the first 20 of each class of the German Sieger Show, and include the Judges critique - on a dedicated British Website for the true German Shepherd Dog CONFORMATION.
by svbc1 on 27 July 2009 - 12:16
|cal123. The health and safety issues to a point cannot be argued with. To suspend tickets because of anatomical misgivings is ridiculous , suspension is not going to eradicate or correct any amount of anatomical issues.|
by jaymesie51 on 27 July 2009 - 12:19
|I agree that their are some dogs winning that are unsound behind and that is wrong but an unsound dog can and will live a pain free life where as a displastic dog will not, the KC need to get their priority's right, i am sure we can sort out the unsoundness and double handling our self's given time but displastic puppies dont have time surely that has to take priority with the KC and they should make it mandatory now |
by Qabru on 27 July 2009 - 13:35
|I think even with photos of top German Dogs it would be impossible for anyone to understand and appreciate the enormity of the German Sieger Show or the amazing depth of qualtiy of the animals exhibited there. I therefore suggest that our Breed Council or The Partnership should invite two influential Kennel Club representatives to this years Sieger Show. All expenses paid and invite open dialoge and reports after the event. I feel sure that the Kennel Club Representatives will see what we are trying to achieve in this country and will hopefully then be able to act with first hand knowledge and perspective, unlike now where there is so much confusion and personal bias.|
Silkenwood German Shepherds
by funky munky on 27 July 2009 - 14:01
|Qabru, what an excellent idea. Liz|
by Qabru on 27 July 2009 - 14:16
|The other advantage that I see is, if we found afterwards there was more meaningful dialogue with the Kennel Club then great, if not then we all know where we stand! There is no point in hitting our heads against a brick wall, if there is a way forward we are holding the olive branch, if there is no way forward with the KC we can make an educated decision within our Breed to go our own way. Personally I would see a split from the KC as a last resort, however we must not be afraid to persue what we believe in for the future of our Breed within the UK. If the Kennel Club think they can blackmail us by taking away our CC's, fine, but then why would we need them? We are at liberty to persue other avenues if forced.|
Silkenwood German Shepherds
by svbc1 on 27 July 2009 - 15:30
Jaymesie51. I agree the K.C. should get their priority's right and make it mandatory now.
Qabru . Brill idea !, be interesting to see if the K.C. would go for it.
by cal123 on 27 July 2009 - 20:31
From those that wish it to happen, then a split from the Kennel Club is probably the easiest and best way to do it. Voting on the internet has produced this result and judging from previous contributions to this message board, then let this be the way forward for those who want to break away and those who do not can stay. It is called freedom of choice and would save lots of bickering.
by Videx on 27 July 2009 - 22:21
|It is simply unacceptable for the Kennel Club to have made the decision to suspend CC's for GSD in 2012, without any prior discussion whatsoever with our GSD Kennel Club licensed organisations. It is unacceptable for the Kennel Club to have behaved in this manner. This is discriminatory against the GSD breed, and is an appalling way for the Kennel Club to treat its Breed Clubs and its Breed organisations, all of which have given many many years of dedicated unpaid voluntary work for the Kennel Clubs events.|
It would not surprise me in the least if some GSD Breed Club committees decide this is the last straw and wind up their club, or like many have done in recent years simply write to the Kennel Club and inform them that they no longer want their CC's.
The ailing GSD Show scene has been dealt a grossly unfair kick in the teeth by this appalling decision of the Kennel Club, at what is undoubtedly the worst time they could have chosen. This on top of other significant shortcomings by the Kennel Club, especially their persistent refusal to make satisfactory health screening tests of litters parents the fundamental basis for all KC litter registrations.
Our GSD Breed need NO lessons on health matters concerning our breed, we have been, over many decades, at the forefront of the most important health screening tests. Our record on these health matters is second to none, including the Kennel Clubs record.
It has never been advisable to hold talks with any organisation whilst they hold a "gun to your head". For this reason alone the GSD breeds representative bodies should refuse any dialogue with the Kennel Club until they withdraw their totally unnecessary and seriously offensive letter. Surely our breed representitives realise the importance of this position, if they are to have any kind of reasonable and meaningful relationship with the KC. This is 2009, NOT the Victorian age, perhaps Clarges Street need to be made to fully understand that. Our breed can work with the Kennel Club, is does not, it cannot and it must not, ever work FOR THEM.
by Videx on 28 July 2009 - 07:15
|The best outcome is for the Kennel Club to see sense (it's never too late) and withdraw their offensive letter. Then for our breed Representatives to hold regular meetings with them in order to identify all the concerns of both parties. These can then be prioritised and dealt with in a constructive manner and with mutual respect.|
There is clearly a need for several major changes from both sides, and this can be positive for our breed. The most successful outcomes are the product of compromise. There needs to be compromise on "double handling", especially at our GSD Breed Shows. There needs to be compromise on the requirement of health screening tests for the parents of registered litters, the two tier registration system is exactly that. A system originated from GSD enthusiasts on this very site.
There needs to be compromise on the allocation of CC's for our breed, between General Championship Shows and GSD Breed Shows. The entries for GSD breed Shows, particularly over the last 12 years clearly show that despite significantly lower GSD entries in General Championship Shows, they have FIVE sets of CC's more than the GSD Breed Clubs on an annual basis. 19 to 14, there is clear justification for this to be 14 for General CH. Shows, and 19 for GSD Breed Club Shows. Such unfair outcomes from the Kennel Club are bound to cause discontent and frustration amongst the GSD fraternity.
There are many other areas were the Kennel Club should listen to our Breed Representatives and recognise the genuine frustrations that exist and which can be resolved. There are issues that the Kennel Club should empower the Breeds to deal with, simply because that is where the knowledge and expertise is. Change is required, and those changes have to be brought about in a fair and reasonable manner. No one side is blessed with a monopoly on knowledge and experience or on visions for the future benefit of our breed. Our breed Representatives are prepared and ready to address all of these issues, are the Kennel Club?
by svbc1 on 28 July 2009 - 08:05
|Looks like too many compromises here !.|
The reduction of show entries , are you relating to exsisting exhibitors ?. What about the vast amount of newcomers that have come and gone just as quickly ?. is it because of accumulative things such as show fees, the treatment and attitude towards them from top kennels at shows, the lack of training facililties, pro handlers that are rude to them and/or let them down when booked to handle their dogs ?, the same dogs winning over and over again sometimes for the wrong reasons ?.
There is more to the reduction of show entries than the kennel club obstacles that needs to be taken into consideration.
by cal123 on 28 July 2009 - 11:08
How I agree with you svbc1 - newcomers to this breed do not seem to stay for very long. The treatment they receive is appalling. Then we try to blame the K C for falling entries! We should look to ourselves first of all. The attitude on this seems to be all one way - that is the germanic way. I have nothing against German dogs - I have one! but the people who import German dogs from the showlines seem to think that everything should be run their way. I really believe that a split is the best way as that seems to be the way the Germanic crowd wish to go according to the email that has been circulated. Well - what is the problem now that you find the K C even more objectionable than you did before?
by svbc1 on 28 July 2009 - 12:40
|cal123. I don't believe a split is the answer , again too many complications for that to happen, On looks alone both sides have gone beyond extremities so both need drawing back in to a more recognizable German Shepherd. . The K.C. have already started on the German side with their views on the hind soundness ( only due to the bad publicity ) so now the K.C. should be looking at the weak backed Alsatian types that could no more jump a 6ft scale than fly to the moon ! not without a good possibility of injury in the process !, so they can't be fit for purpose either can they ?.|